How many cigarretes are too much?

[leo1798]

Why anyone would smoke knowing how bad it is for your health? I have no idea. But if you still must do it, do us all a favor and don't smoke around anyone other than other smokers, especially your kids. I've seen so many horrible parents smoking while pushing a stroller or holding their kids hands, it makes me lose hope in humanity.

[Canada EH]

It has been proven countless times that smoking is very very bad for you.

So yes, do as the others have suggested and try to quit smoking cold turkey for a month and see how you feel.

That will tell you if you are addicted or not.

 

You can lie to yourself and say there is no proof. Keep smoking! See how long you live a non coughing life.

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Thermosman said:

I disagree. Most taxes on tobacco products are there as deterrents to buy them.

Many people see this as a justification to keep tobaccos though because they pay taxes. 

 

1 hour ago, Thermosman said:

 Also, no amount of government revenue can make up for the lives of the estimated 37.8 million smokers in the US even with treatment programs.

That is also what i said. The benefit of revenue does not outweigh the harm. We both think the same so you misunderstood my post. 

[leo1798]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Conformity mainly.  Stress or addiction are other reason.

30 years ago I could fully believe that conformity would be a factor, but there have been so many factual information campaigns about the adverse health effects of smoking that it has completely shifted public opinion on the issue to where it is considered one of the most unattractive traits about a person. Also, addiction has to start somewhere, and stress can be handled through so many non-addictive methods that it's not worth the risk of killing yourself and harming your friends and family. But that's all drugs.

[wasab]

6 minutes ago, leo1798 said:

They're probably in their 40's or 50's and look 10-20 years older than they actually are. I've seen 40 year olds who look far worse than my 81 year old grandmother due to years of smoking. I have seen a few older smokers, but they look like walking slabs of leather and smell like cat vomit and dust.

exactly, i haven't seen anyone older than 60 who smokes yet. If i do, i have to congrats them on beating impossible odds.

[wasab]

12 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Go to a bar it's very common.  I've seen an 80-year-old grandmother smoking and several older people throughout my life 60+ doing it.  No, they weren't younger and just looked it.

 I will need to know when they first pick up their cigarettes and how long they been smoking though. In any case, they are outliers, especially  if they are 80s

[JoostinOnline]

2 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Or the effects of smoking cigarettes are exaggerated.

 

Heavily.

Yep, it's all a lie.  Just like the moon landing!

 

26 minutes ago, wasab said:

exactly, i haven't seen anyone older than 60 who smokes yet. If i do, i have to congrats them on beating impossible odds.

Lots do.  A lot of them also have lung cancer.  That doesn't stop them though, because they're addicted.

[Thermosman]

31 minutes ago, wasab said:

Many people see this as a justification to keep tobaccos though because they pay taxes. 

 

That is also what i said. The benefit of revenue does not outweigh the harm. We both think the same so you misunderstood my post. 

yep i missed the "no"

[KingKeith55]

after reading some of what people have to say, personally I feel like smoking is something that if done in moderation is unlikely to be harmful.

 

the only problem is few people have the self control to stop themselves from letting it get out of control. 1 usually turns into 2 and so forth. The scare tactics are there to stop people from starting since most people who start don't keep the habit under control. 

 

the truth is though there's a point where you'll be harming your lungs, and you'll probably know when that point is reached. The problem is once you've reached that point it's hard to stop.

 

Honestly for addiction I feel like vaping is worse for teenagers. Usually with cigarettes once u finish one you don't want another one for a good bit. When I was vaping I did it like all the time even if I had a buzz from nicotine, and that is actually what got me addicted to nicotine since I was doing it like all day all the time. Also the flavors are nice so it was all the more reason to constantly be doing it.

 

also i'm not a fan of juuls or any of it's copycats. even still being an occasional smoker I took two drags off that shit and it gave me a headache.

[wasab]

16 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Ironically, it wasn't the smoking that killed her it was other health issues. And, she was smoking since the 1930s.

Smoking mutated her genes and accidentally gave her immortality then. Lol. 

 

All the more reason to congrats her for beating the odds.

[Totallycasual]

Please take it from someone that smoked for the first 10 years of their adult life, don't even dabble in smoking a little because it'll turn into a life long habit very quickly.  My lungs are ruined, ive spent literally months in hospital with tubes hanging out of my chest and now that i survived it all i have to look forward to is sitting around at home like an invalid with severely limited lung capacity. I'm not even middle aged yet and i feel like im sitting around waiting to die like an 80 year old. 

 

Sure some may argue that i could have been genetically predisposed to have an issue with my lungs but why take the chance? 

[FlatBrokeRacing]

WARNING #TRIGGERED

 

Listen up to all the Judgemental Drum Beaters.... I'm going to say this and say it once...

 

Should people smoke, no... But its easy to f***ing judge people that do, its easy to rag on people, its easy to shun them and look the other way. Until you people get addicted to a substance that is one of the hardest things to quit in the world then you shut your f***ing pie holes with your loud speakers screaming its bad for you. SURPRISE  us smokers know that or do you just assume smokers are retarded as well?

 

Smoking is no joke, and its no joke to quit. There are many methods, many theories, but i can tell you one thing, there is nothing that will truely wipe that addiction away other than years and years of time. Even with Prescribed drugs (many of which have life threatening side effects, and can wreak havoc on your body worse than a fucking cigarette will do), to nicotine patches, which help with cravings, but do nothing for the mental instabilities of wanting to pick something up and bring it to your mouth and puff on it to IMHO the best way which is E-cigs but is only partial to quitting as you can wean yourself down to a "0" nic over a set amount of time (for myself it was 10months to go down to a 3mg dose and from that 3 to 0 is the hard jump). Like many addictions it effects everyone differently, some people have an easier time quitting, some people dont. I personally know people that have had cravings for over 10 fucking years even after quitting. Think about that for a second.... 10 years smoke free and still have cravings! So incase you dont get it and cant read between the lines, the addiction goes far deeper than just a chemical substance, its physically and mentally addicting with many variables do to environment and many other aspects.

 

IMHO when its time to quit, its when you notice it starting to affect you. Shortness of breath, or shorter than you remember having, and i can guarantee once you hit a pack a day or a pack every 1.5 days you are at the point where shit is serious... IMHO If you are smoking 5ish per day, your already hooked, but due to low dosages it may not be too difficult to quit. again everyone is different. The longer you smoke, the more difficult its going to be always.

 

To those that do judge smokers, Do you drink? Do you watch porn? Do you drink high caffeine products? do you wear respirators and gloves 100% of the time when dealing with any cleaning substances, do you eat pre-packaged foods like fast food, if you work in industry do you ever get oils, grease, bug spray, or anything else on your skin? Because if any of the above apply to your life, you are absorbing harmful substances already so welcome to the club and you should change all that as well. There is literally fuck all in this world anymore that is not "not good" for you, so congratulations for being a judgmental person.

 

As for elderly people that smoke, year there are many, and i mean many that smoked until there very last day with little side effects, so chemicals effect everyone differently, do i recommend smoking no, but if you see someone smoking, dont be so fucking judgmental about it. As for how or why people start, conformity is still a factor, it really depends on the crowd, upbringing, peer pressure. the more people you have around you that do it, the more likely you are to say 'ah f*** it gimmy one of those'. Look how many people smoke E-cigs, even at a high school level, that right there tells you that conformity and peer pressure is still very much a fact. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Crunchy Dragon

[wasab]

8 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

WARNING #TRIGGERED

 

Listen up to all the Judgemental Drum Beaters.... I'm going to say this and say it once...

 

Should people smoke, no... But its easy to f***ing judge people that do, its easy to rag on people, its easy to shun them and look the other way. Until you motherfuckers get addicted to a substance that is one of the hardest things to quit in the world then you shut your f***ing pie holes with your loud speakers screaming its bad for you. SURPRISE  us smokers know that or do you just assume smokers are retarded as well?

 

Smoking is no joke, and its no joke to quit. There are many methods, many theories, but i can tell you one thing, there is nothing that will truely wipe that addiction away other than years and years of time. Even with Prescribed drugs (many of which have life threatening side effects, and can wreak havoc on your body worse than a fucking cigarette will do), to nicotine patches, which help with cravings, but do nothing for the mental instabilities of wanting to pick something up and bring it to your mouth and puff on it to IMHO the best way which is E-cigs but is only partial to quitting as you can wean yourself down to a "0" nic over a set amount of time (for myself it was 10months to go down to a 3mg dose and from that 3 to 0 is the hard jump). Like many addictions it effects everyone differently, some people have an easier time quitting, some people dont. I personally know people that have had cravings for over 10 fucking years even after quitting. Think about that for a second.... 10 years smoke free and still have cravings! So incase you dont get it and cant read between the lines, the addiction goes far deeper than just a chemical substance, its physically and mentally addicting with many variables do to environment and many other aspects.

 

IMHO when its time to quit, its when you notice it starting to affect you. Shortness of breath, or shorter than you remember having, and i can guarantee once you hit a pack a day or a pack every 1.5 days you are at the point where shit is serious... IMHO If you are smoking 5ish per day, your already hooked, but due to low dosages it may not be too difficult to quit. again everyone is different. The longer you smoke, the more difficult its going to be always.

 

To those that do judge smokers, Do you drink? Do you watch porn? Do you drink high caffeine products? do you wear respirators and gloves 100% of the time when dealing with any cleaning substances, do you eat pre-packaged foods like fast food, if you work in industry do you ever get oils, grease, bug spray, or anything else on your skin? Because if any of the above apply to your life, you are absorbing harmful substances already so welcome to the club and you should change all that as well. There is literally fuck all in this world anymore that is not "not good" for you, so congratulations for being a judgmental person.

 

As for elderly people that smoke, year there are many, and i mean many that smoked until there very last day with little side effects, so chemicals effect everyone differently, do i recommend smoking no, but if you see someone smoking, dont be so fucking judgmental about it. As for how or why people start, conformity is still a factor, it really depends on the crowd, upbringing, peer pressure. the more people you have around you that do it, the more likely you are to say 'ah f*** it gimmy one of those'. Look how many people smoke E-cigs, even at a high school level, that right there tells you that conformity and peer pressure is still very much a fact. 

I will always look down on smokers who pick up their first cigarette due to peer pressure.

 

it tells me that they are insecure, lacking self esteem, and aren’t strong enough stand up for one self without seeking the approval of others. Also, they follow the wrong role model. 

 

Not really sure why, but smoking nowadays is stigmatized to the point it is consider immoral, almost on par with doing and selling illegal substances in some people.

 

whenever I see kids and teens who have an achohol bottle on one hand and a cigarette on another, I feel like slapping their parents or guardians in the face for letting this happen. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Crunchy Dragon

[Eduard the weeb]

well there not healthy at all, but if you slowly tone it down you may be able to stop by the end of the year

[AshleyAshes]

7 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

Do you watch porn? ...you are absorbing harmful substances

I... I don't know how you watch porn, but if your porn watching habits involve absorbing anything, then you are not watching porn in the way normal people do. o_____o

[TVwazhere]

9 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

-removed-

Having watched my father go through addiction to alcohol and watch it ruin his life, I know how "logic cannot overcome unhealthy habits and addiction alone". You cannot undo decades of abuse overnight. 

1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

I... I don't know how you watch porn, but if your porn watching habits involve absorbing anything, then you are not watching porn in the way normal people do. o_____o

I was going to point that out, but that was the only thing I could find logical fault in the statement so I was going to let it go.

Edited March 7, 2018 by Crunchy Dragon

[TVwazhere]

48 minutes ago, wasab said:

I will always look down on smokers who pick up their first cigarette due to peer pressure.

Good people do this all the time. Your response should be one of trying to bringing them back up not tearing them down further.

[themctipers]

11 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

When you grow up watching your family do something you're likely going to repeat it unless you have issues with them.  It's more trendy to vape now, though.  If someone is puffing cig smoke near you a lot it's possible to get addicted and cancer from second-hand smoking.  So, you don't have to really do it yourself.

I like the smell

 

f***ing help me 

help

Edited March 7, 2018 by Crunchy Dragon

[mrchow19910319]

if you are a smoker, do not fall into the trap of "im gonna quit tomorrow".

 

I normally finish 1 pack within two weeks. and I think if you can control yourself to the same amount you will be fine. 

 

it is always better to quit. but it takes a huge amount of discipline and resilience. 

[wasab]

1 hour ago, TVwazhere said:

Good people do this all the time. Your response should be one of trying to bringing them back up not tearing them down further.

Only if they wish help. For those who are unwilling, I will always look down on them for continuing to make the wrong decision. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

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[AshleyAshes]

I've known a few people who have started smoking in their mid-20's and that's the kinda smoker that's ALWAYS baffled me.  Like, I get it when people are older and come from an era of when SO many more people smoked.  Or as younger people they did the dumb peer pressure 'Imma do this cause the grownups say I shouldn't!' but what mid 20's person looks at smoking and thinks 'This seems like a good idea'.  Smoking afterall really does very little 'good' things.  At least Crystal Meth will make you feel like Rocket Powered Mecha Jesus for a brief while, what does SMOKING offer?  Smoking's biggest 'Pro' is 'Relieves withdraw symptoms caused by smoking', so how does someone in their mids 20's go 'This seems like a thing I should spend money on!'?

[Energycore]

14 hours ago, Teejo said:

when can I consider this an addiction? I smoke between 5-6 cigarretes daily (red malboros, and red lucky strikes) and Im no cowboy btw. 

As an occassional smoker, I gave myself a hard limit: more than one a month is too much.

 

I'm glad you're looking into this and worried that you might have gone too far; try going one day without a smoke. If you can't, then I suggest you seek a support group because this is serious business.

 

Let's say you can though, you should still dial it back. At most, once a week, in my opinion. But dial it back slowly - give yourself the goal to only do 2/day by next week. Then 1/day the week after, and so on.

 

Or if you're a badass you can try stopping altogether immediately but I don't recommend thiss approach.

[Jtalk4456]

ok let's ignore the people ignoring basic facts under the belief that health statistics are made up for the fun of it. Health aside, cancer aside, child brain development aside, an increase in asthma aside, let's ignore all the FACTUAL issues with cigarettes and health. 

Let's go straight to money, because that's where cigs really fall through. 

From an article about the costs of smoking - "To estimate tobacco costs, the financial website assumed a person would buy one pack of cigarettes every day from age 18 (when it's legal to purchase tobacco in the United States) to age 69 (the average age a smoker dies.) They then multiplied the average cost of cigarettes in each state with that number.

For New York, where an average pack of cigarettes cost $10.29, tobacco costs each smoker $1.53 million."

I would love for a smoker or naysayer to justify spending a million and a half. Now some of you might say, well how much do we spend on soda? To which I would say probably a lot too, but there is a difference. While not the healthiest option, soda at least has edible ingredients, serves to quench our thirst and perks us up in a workday with caffeine and sugar. Again, the crux is how much of this we consume, but on the base level it provides nutrients to our body that we can use.

Would someone provide me with a benefit of nutrient or bodily function provided by tobacco?

Anyone?

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[Murasaki]

15 hours ago, Elite14 said:

The first one is too much

 

i knew someone would link this video. It's completely inaccurate in comparison.