Hamburger Neutrality

[mike5906]

Some of my non-technical friends who support the repeal of Net Neutrality need to see this!

[ProjectBox153]

Umm, what? What does food have to do with net neutrality?

[FloRolf]

1 minute ago, Jamiec1130 said:

Umm, what? What does food have to do with net neutrality?

Translating the issue in a more 'real-life' situation. 

[LtStaffel]

Why in "Guides and Tutorials"?

[QuantumBit]

Well a bit late.... Most people here understand it

[aisle9]

13 minutes ago, Jamiec1130 said:

Umm, what? What does food have to do with net neutrality?

It's a real-world analogy for a concept that isn't easily understood by a lot of people, and a good one at that.

8 minutes ago, LtStaffel said:

Why in "Guides and Tutorials"?

To teach me how to run an extremely profitable fast food joint!

[Tsuki]

wait a second..... this isnt facebook...

[TheRandomness]

-Thread moved to Off Topic.

[captain_to_fire]

The burger on the left is something you can buy from Wendy’s or Burger King while the burger on the right is something you can buy fro McDonald’s. 

[AresKrieger]

This analogy is along the same lines as the whole they'll make me pay to go on netflix argument, its a poor argument based around the assumption net neutrality prevented that but given that the FCC isnt the only alphabet agency involved in this that is simply not true, the slower speeds to specific sites argument is the only realistic one not that speeds weren't already lowered to streaming sites during peak hours even with it.

[dalekphalm]

44 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

If someone would pay twice to cut the line and the business agree with that, what would prevent them from doing that? If you don't want to wait, just go to another restaurant.

Plain burguer could/should be cheaper, but not much because labour is more expensive than most of ingredients.

Can you have meat burgers on vegan restaurants? Nope. Why don't you force them to serve meat? Same story.

Your problem is lack of competition, not neutrality.

In the US, it's one and the same problem.

 

Net Neutrality is but one solution to combat the lack of competition.

 

Why not fix the root cause? Well that would ideally be the better solution, but the root cause can only be fixed by a multi-government, bipartisan cooperative effort, the likes of which the US has never seen before.

 

You would need to coordinate local, regional, state, and federal governments. You'd need to pass new legislation and bylaws in all of those areas.

 

Good luck with that. The US can't even agree on good Health Care.

[Eduard the weeb]

My first though was 

 

Is there a huge war about burgers that just ended ? 

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

And why both parties are not cooperating? Why don't they reduce regulations and taxes to new companies? Simplify process to lay down infrastructure? It's not that hard to do that, just common sense.

Health care is another problem, which is far worse than this. Public health services are a money sink, with infinite demand of resources caused by tons of people that look for services without really needing them.

The public health services from Brazil (SUS) [5,6] and UK (NHS) [1,2,3,4] suffers from same problems: lot of money spent of unnecessary procedures/exams/medicine, while people who really need care die because of lack of equipments/physicians/medicine. As far as I know, Canada too have problems with their public health services, with waiting times doubling since 1993, with 90% of patients waiting for more than 8 months, in average, for a surgery, plus more and more canadians going to US looking for healthcare.
 

 

You do realise that those countries also have private health services.  The waiting times are for elective surgery (not life threatening) and that's the price you pay when it doesn't cost you a cent.   People die in all hospitals regardless of what system you have because that is the nature of human frailty (human error doesn't go away by throwing money at it).  The other serious issue there is that the exact opposite happens with unnecessary surgery/procedures.  In Australia the rate of Cesarean is much higher in private hospitals than public.  This is because the hospital can charge more and can justify it without question.

 

At the end of the day the problem in the US is that corporations have more sway with government than voters and system is so ingrained that it would almost take a revolution to change anything.

[Gale]

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

The US can't even agree on good Health Care.

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, Gale said:

lmfao... I love that movie. It's the perfect kind of over the top.

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

And why both parties are not cooperating? Why don't they reduce regulations and taxes to new companies? Simplify process to lay down infrastructure? It's not that hard to do that, just common sense.

There is no tax cuts on earth big enough, no simple process cheap enough to reduce the cost of laying fibre and all the work that entails a startup ISP to exist, this is just a fantasy. If this new ISP had to pay no taxes and no planning or consent costs to lay the fibre the cost of labor and supplies would still be too high.

 

New ISPs coming along with their own infrastructure is an impossible dream, we really need to keep these discussions to things that are realistic and possible.

[TheCherryKing]

Now propaganda is being spread through food analogies. 

[atrash]

21 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

lmfao... I love that movie. It's the perfect kind of over the top.

what movie is that? looks interesting and my kind of movie

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, atrash said:

what movie is that? looks interesting and my kind of movie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)

 

Note, the synopsis contains major spoilers, so if you're actually interested, I'd go in blind.

 

If you've ever read "Fahrenheit 451", this is basically a ripoff of that, but with shotguns and martial arts

[leadeater]

21 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

this is basically a ripoff of that, but with shotguns and martial arts

So they made it better then 

[dalekphalm]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

So they made it better then 

I actually liked the book... but yeah. If you haven't seen Equillibrium - dear god, go watch it. They "invented" a gun-based martial arts called "Gun Kata". It's equal parts ridiculous and badass.

[leadeater]

Just now, dalekphalm said:

I actually liked the book... but yeah. If you haven't seen Equillibrium - dear god, go watch it. They "invented" a gun-based martial arts called "Gun Kata". It's equal parts ridiculous and badass.

I think I have seen it though I don't really remember it. Might have to watch it again, or for the first time.

[captain_to_fire]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

lmfao... I love that movie. It's the perfect kind of over the top.

I’m embarrassed that I don’t even know that movie ?