The FCC just KILLED Net Neutrality

[Defunct Lizard]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

For starters, have you red the article?

 

Here is the first sentence:

As You can see it wasn't canceled. It obviously wasn't canceled since the voting happened.

thanks, that helped my confusion.

 

I sure can be ignorant some times.

[paddy-stone]

3 minutes ago, anthonyjc2010 said:

*facepalm* All traffic goes through ISPs, that includes your VPN. On a side note, VPN traffic is stupidly obvious... so what do you think?

 

(sorry, I'm a little pissed right now)

 

2 minutes ago, SALEEN961 said:

I would think they'd throttle that the most, can't they tell it's VPN traffic? If someone is using a VPN to circumvent their new rules it would only make sense for them to block it.

 

2 minutes ago, Rubymaster said:

They can. VPN's use specific ports. They can tell if someone is using a VPN and throttle or block all VPN traffic.

Edit: Forgot a period.

Why facepalm? it's a legit question, so companies that use VPNs then will get throttled or blocked traffic also. I thought they might still throttle it, of course I know they can see that it's VPN traffic. But there are very legit reasons for using VPNs too, so they could be essentially making things worse for companies too, unless they'll have a paid tier where VPNs are allowed maybe?

And yes, I agree it's shit, even though I don't live in the US... if adopted elsewhere this could be an enormous change in the tide of how the internet as a whole works, and will affect a lot of businesses that rely on streaming etc too.

[Ashiella]

Time to get my passport and a ticket to canadia!

[Lurick]

Maybe we should strip away the Section 230 protections that ISPs enjoy and really let them have it

[mynameisjuan]

26 minutes ago, trekkie1701c said:

I can see it not changing on the consumer end for awhile, but if they start charging websites for access to consumers, then it makes it harder for startups to happen.

Like I said, until I see it happen. If they start charging more for sites then a lot will just shut down, maybe then ISPs 

25 minutes ago, SALEEN961 said:

They were paid to make this happen for a reason, companies wouldn't pay to kill net neutrality unless they planned to do something.

Paying a government official to be on your side doesnt guarantee anything. (edit) as in guaranteeing they can jack up prices to consumers and businesses. 

[Bouzoo]

2 minutes ago, Technicolors said:

3 voted to repeal, 2 voted no. Susan collins is one of the two 

There is no Susan in FCC.

 

The votes were:

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As expected, the vote was 3 to 2 along party lines, with Chairman Ajit Pai and Republican Commissioners Brendan Carr and Michael O’Rielly voting in favor of the order, and Democratic Commissioners Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel voting against.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/14/the-fcc-officially-votes-to-kill-net-neutrality/

 

[DavePlays]

Life without net neutrality: Imagine EA is your ISP.

[Oshino Shinobu]

16 minutes ago, EvilCat70 said:

I pray that other countries like Canada and the UK don't follow this

Given the recent statements of our government, they're planning something much worse than getting rid of Net Neutrality. 

 

Our PM has said that she intends to change or abolish human rights laws in order to police the internet. Our government has also repeatedly said they want to ban end to end encryption and basically abolish all online privacy (and security in the process it seems). I was always under the impression that human rights laws were intended to sort of be overruling of everything else, so new laws can't be passed that would violate them. I guess our government has different ideas. Here's some lovely quotes from our PM:

 

“And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.”

 

"Some people say that it is not for government to regulate when it comes to technology and the internet. We disagree."

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html

 

Of course, it's all done under the guise of stopping terrorists and protecting children. Seems to be a common argument for banning useful or mostly harmless things that the vast, vast majority use legitimately, supposedly to stop the few that use it for bad. We seem to be in a weird mix between a nanny state and a police state. Our government took it upon them selves to ban some porn (because that's the real issue that needs tackling) like female ejaculation due to it being "dangerous" and now they want to watch everything everyone does and basically scrap online security so they can listen in on people. Nice. 

[handymanshandle]

20 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

RIP free market internet. You will be severely missed.

Sorry if I missed something but from the inception of the internet to now, has it not been a free market in America?

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, DavePlays said:

Life without net neutrality: Imagine EA is your ISP.

Oh god help us all

[Bouzoo]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

Paying a government official to be on your side doesnt guarantee anything. 

It does sure help your odds. 

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Congress took $101 million in donations form the ISP industry

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, wcreek said:

Sorry if I missed something but from the inception of the internet to now, has it not been a free market in America?

I might've made an error, not entirely sure.

[handymanshandle]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Oh god help us all

Imagine your ISP did what your ISP did before 2015 and what they do now. That'll be them going forward.

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

It does sure help your odds. 

 

No I mean doesnt guarantee anything to come from net neutrality going away. Like paying a official to get rid of it and expecting you can charge double after the vote.  Websites are going to fight ISPs with pricing, the war isnt over yet. 

[LogicWeasel]

19 minutes ago, floppy disk mayhem said:

Does that matter? from what I saw they canceled it.

 

I probably am wrong about this, what did I do wrong?

The senators were ASKING the FCC to not vote;  They can't force them to halt doing it.  Ajit Pai gets his way because he's chairman (this f#cking sucks btw and I hate that he's not an elected official and he answers only to the President).

[Ashiella]

The Canadian immigrant citizenship information. Yayyy

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship.html

[handymanshandle]

1 minute ago, Ashiella said:

The Canadian immigrant citizenship information. Yayyy

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship.html

y tho? 

[System Error Message]

splice the cables of the politicians, insert your own router that transparently throttles their internet connection and see how they like it. They may be paid lots now but they too are gonna suffer slow internet. Unfortunately with the politicians being old and stuck in the old days dont use the internet like the new generations but you could ask them, what if phones were given such limited bandwidth that even your voice isnt clear.

 

Another day as the US enters a dark age. Next the US will make being alive a utility so if you dont pay for being alive, they just kill you.

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, wcreek said:

Imagine your ISP did what your ISP did before 2015 and what they do now. That'll be them going forward.

you mean Netflix is going to be throttles again :(. this is going to suck 

[handymanshandle]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

you mean Netflix is going to be throttles again :(. this is going to suck 

Never had that issue with CenturyLink.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, wcreek said:

Never had that issue with CenturyLink.

had that issue all the time with xfinity and it is well documented that they did that as well as other major isp did it because they didn't want competition with their cable subscriptions.

[ItsMitch]

God bless those two women who fought hard but lost the battle, 

[SALEEN961]

13 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Like I said, until I see it happen. If they start charging more for sites then a lot will just shut down, maybe then ISPs 

Paying a government official to be on your side doesnt guarantee anything. 

But they won the vote, paying doesn't always work but it did in this case, and that indicates bad intentions to me.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, wcreek said:

Never had that issue with CenturyLink.

I mean say goodbye to basically all the subscriptions like youtube TV because you know they will throttle that because it is a direct competitor to cable.

[handymanshandle]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

I mean say goodbye to basically all the subscriptions like youtube TV because you know they will throttle that because it is a direct competitor to cable.

I mean I want to get cable tv because streaming services suck but they're cheaper. 

Centurylink at least has never throttled anything