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Der8auer hits 5.0GHz on i9-7900X with AIO water cooling

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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Doubt it, another guy was able to get 4.5GHz with 1.15V so it doesn't look like this is a binned golden sample :D

I saw that video, it's highly dubious. He apparently managed it on a single tower air cooler, and the fan wasn't even properly attached.

 

Unless Intel drastically improved their process to be far more efficient that current 14nm, or because he didn't show temps the thing was close to throttling, as he only ran Cinebench twice, and not stress test.

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6 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

 

Ah, I see. The main issue is Handbrake and other video encoding is using AVX more and more, so I'll definitely need to wait for other tests. Also AIDA64 actually has an FPU option to stress more.

Although I'm still happy the TIM application isn't a 20+ degree difference, although he mentioned it was a tested chip before be overclocked, so hopefully it wasn't the top of golden samples.

 

Very true about AVX becoming more prevalent.

 

The great thing about AVX 512 in the new Skylake X chips is that it's so much more powerful then not using it that you won't have to run high clock speed when it's running.  

 

With AVX2 alone, a 4 core Intel chip is faster then a 8 core AMD chip.  Encoding with H.265 in Handbrake is faster on a 7700k then it is on a Ryzen R7.

 

Remember, while you may be concerned about what AVX temps might be like, you won't even have the option of AVX with Ryzen. 

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Very true about AVX becoming more prevalent.

 

The great thing about AVX 512 in the new Skylake X chips is that it's so much more powerful then not using it, that you won't have to run high clock speed when it's running.  

 

With AVX2 alone, a 4 core Intel chip is faster then a 8 core AMD chip.  Encoding on with H.265 on Handbrake is faster on a 7700k then it is on a Ryzen R7.

 

Remember, while you may be concerned about what AVX temps might be like, you won't even have the option of AVX with Ryzen. 

 

Aye, which is why I'm eagerly awaiting reviewers to get their hands on it. I might wait until Coffeelake makes it's debut as well. Intel claiming it'll be a decent jump in performance and who knows. Maybe the 6 core one will be well ahead of Threadripper then, and close to the Skylake X 8 core for my needs.

2017 is such an exciting year, and the latter half is looking even better. :D

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5 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Unless Intel drastically improved their process to be far more efficient that current 14nm

That's the thing tho, those CPUs aren't build on 14nm, they are build on the 14nm+ architecture, the same as Kabylake :D

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2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

That's the thing tho, those CPUs aren't build on 14nm, they are build on the 14nm+ architecture, the same as Kabylake :D

Cause Kablylake handles temps sooo well with TIM. :P

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So if that was a 10 core, I suspect that the 8 and 6 core Skylake-X chips are going to be nasty!!  

 

I can't wait to get my hands on some of these.  

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2 hours ago, Valentyn said:

A delid with liquid metal and it still hits 88-90 degrees under Stress test. That's kinda hot for the effort on a £1000 CPU. At least delidding with his new tool looks much easier than previously.

It is one of those small shit AIOs though. At least 360mm is what the 10 core really needs. It's probably pushing out a lot of heat and sucking a lot of power too.

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1 minute ago, DildorTheDecent said:

It is one of those small shit AIOs though. At least 360mm is what the 10 core really needs. It's probably pushing out a lot of heat and sucking a lot of power too.

 

Agreed.  I've got 5 of them in one loop waiting to cool some Skylake-X man!  :D

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2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Agreed.  I've got 5 of them in one loop waiting to cool some Skylake-X man!  :D

And do you know what really sucks? I can't cheap out on my cooler this time around :/

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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

And do you know what really sucks? I can't cheap out on my cooler this time around :/

 

Sure you can.  You'll have no problem running 4.5 or a bit higher on an 8 core Skylake X part with an AIO.  4.5 GHz with improved IPC is going to be fast as hell as it is.  Anything higher is just absurd.  xD

 

When you start pushing high 4's and 5 GHz +, that's when voltage requirement and temps get a lot harder to manage.  

 

Skylake-X will have AVX offset and if you get an Asus board, you can also use the Thermal Control within BIOS.  Two great features that help you run much higher clocks safety on newer Intel chips in the event that you get a lower quality chip.  

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55 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If you get a good chip you should be able to get 5.2-5.3GHz with a custom loop, which is INSANE! Intel is hitting AMD where it hurts :D

They don't necessarily though. You need to delid the chips and have a custom loop on top of an already extremely expensive chip. Perf/$ will probably be atrocious compared to amd, which doesn't bode well for server chips, for which deliding and custom loops like that are a huge no no, so they'll just have slightly better chips at much higher cost, which isn't attractive.

The overclocking results might appeal to some enthusiasts, but to other who build the system for performance, this won't necessarily be a good idea.

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2 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

They don't necessarily though. You need to delid the chips and have a custom loop on top of an already extremely expensive chip. 

So you didn't even watch the video... He was able to get 4.8GHz without a delid

3 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Perf/$ will probably be atrocious compared to amd

No one who wants to buy a X299 CPU cares about price/performance, believe me.

4 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

The overclocking results might appeal to most enthusiasts, but to other who build the system for performance, this won't necessarily be a good idea.

Wrong! If you need AVX performance Ryzen is a no no, because Ryzen's AVX performance SUCKS.

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9 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

Sure you can.  You'll have no problem running 4.5 or a bit higher on an 8 core Skylake X part with an AIO.  4.5 GHz with improved IPC is going to be fast as hell as it is.  Anything higher is just absurd.  xD

Yeah, but 4.5GHz isn't fun :/xD

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Cherry picked from thousands of CPUs

 

Yep, but even a shitty one will still clock higher then initially expected.  Throw in some add IPC and Skylake X is going to be strong.  A lot stronger then my 5960x and I have a great one.

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3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

So you didn't even watch the video... He was able to get 4.8GHz without a delid

No one who wants to buy a X299 CPU cares about price/performance, believe me.

Wrong! If you need AVX performance Ryzen is a no no, because Ryzen's AVX performance SUCKS.

You were talking about over 5Ghz in the post I quoted you in.

That aside, no one who buys it cares, but people who buy in the hedt platform aren't necessarily people wanting X299 especially with x399 being strong.

So? I can design a chip which destroy both intel and amd in one task, that doesn't mean that I'll make either fail with their products. Not everyone needs that, and ryzen remains strong overall regardless. Personnally I don't think that this changes X299 value.

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Yep, but even a shitty one will still clock higher then initially expected.  Throw in some add IPC and Skylake X is going to be strong.  A lot stronger then my 5960x and I have a great one.

Probably won't be worth it to upgrade though. Not even close to 50% perf bump considering it took intel 6 years to get 50% faster from the 2600K to the 5960X

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Cherry picked from thousands of CPUs

Cherry picked for LN2 and LN2 chips usually suck on water/air :D

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1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Cherry picked for LN2 and LN2 chips usually suck on water/air :D

They probably picked it for water though

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19 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

They don't necessarily though. You need to delid the chips and have a custom loop on top of an already extremely expensive chip. Perf/$ will probably be atrocious compared to amd, which doesn't bode well for server chips, for which deliding and custom loops like that are a huge no no, so they'll just have slightly better chips at much higher cost, which isn't attractive.

The overclocking results might appeal to some enthusiasts, but to other who build the system for performance, this won't necessarily be a good idea.

 

6 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

You were talking about over 5Ghz in the post I quoted you in.

That aside, no one who buys it cares, but people who buy in the hedt platform aren't necessarily people wanting X299 especially with x399 being strong.

So? I can design a chip which destroy both intel and amd in one task, that doesn't mean that I'll make either fail with their products. Not everyone needs that, and ryzen remains strong overall regardless. Personnally I don't think that this changes X299 value.

 

 

Ryzen / Threadripper are great and especially for those looking for value.  They dominate there.

 

x99 / x299 are great as well and more geared towards folks looking to push the envelope.  Not value, but performance.

 

While I agree that value is important, more people care about performance over value then the LTT community will lead you to believe.  The 7700k is far from the best value out there, yet since it's release and all the way up to today, it's remained the top selling chip there is.   Value is not everything.  

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

They probably picked it for water though

 

So what?

 

Like I said, even the average chips are going to overclock better then expected.  He said himself that it was cherry picked and to expect 4.7 or so out of regular non-cherry picked Skylake-X chips.  That's high if you as me.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

They probably picked it for water though

der8auer usually works with LN2 tho...

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This was most likely cherry picked silicon. Even if results like these will be common, the value proposition is still pretty bad compared to the competition. None of this is going to matter if at the same price amd can deliver 12 or 14 cores with reasonable frequencies, nobody should buy these for games anyway.

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2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

der8auer usually works with LN2 tho...

Right but intel probably approached him wanted an AIO so consumers feel like they can get the same thing when in reality they can't

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Right but intel probably approached him wanted an AIO so consumers feel like they can get the same thing when in reality they can't

I am pretty sure that it will be possible with most chips but anyways let's wait for reviews...

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