Warning: The UK PM calling for near total regulation of the internet

[Prysin]

8 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I'm trying so hard to find any meaning in that... 

 

It doesn't matter because no one cares about effectiveness in any measurable way. It's like airport security and carry-on luggage restrictions: the key is to pass some measures that sound like we're doing something about it and move on.

There is no meaning in that. It is word salad, made by politicians who has no clue what they are putting into the salad

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, christianled59 said:

I agree, but travel restrictions aren't nearly as restrictive as restricting something like the internet, which effects practically everyone. Although I do see them getting some places with this. Unfortunately, it looks as if governments are just going to slowly strip away our freedoms until we're left with nothing at all.

Yes, I just meant that while is really hard to think of something that is simultaneously effective, worth it, and in the hands of the British government, what will probably happen is that they will pass some rules that are in their power, regardless of what it actually accomplishes, and how effective they are at it. Then label them "anti-terrorist internet rules" and have a concerned look when announce them.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 minutes ago, Prysin said:

There is no meaning in that. It is word salad, made by politicians who has no clue what they are putting into the salad

And people complain about covfefe. At least it's honest!  

[NTDaws]

Well, this isn't gonna happen, you can't regulate the internet. 

[NTDaws]

No one actually owns the Internet, and no single person or organization controls the Internet in its entirety. The Internet is more of a concept than an actual tangible entity, and it relies on a physical infrastructure that connects networks to other networks. Jun 24, 2010 from Google. ICANN Doesn't run it, they can control it to some degree.

[christianled59]

1 minute ago, Being Delirious said:

No one actually owns the Internet, and no single person or organization controls the Internet in its entirety. The Internet is more of a concept than an actual tangible entity, and it relies on a physical infrastructure that connects networks to other networks. Jun 24, 2010 from Google.

Yeah, but they can attempt to restrict access to certain sites within their countries. They can outlaw vpns and make certain content illegal to own. (this would also set a nasty precedent and ultimately restrict freedom of speech very harshly)

[NTDaws]

1 minute ago, christianled59 said:

Yeah, but they can attempt to restrict access to certain sites within their countries. They can outlaw vpns and make certain content illegal to own. (this would also set a nasty precedent and ultimately restrict freedom of speech very harshly)

attempt

[christianled59]

2 minutes ago, Being Delirious said:

attempt

It's been done in other countries just fine. They won't get as far as they want to, but they'll definitely restrict some things. If not, just make it a pain in the ass to access.

[NTDaws]

Just now, christianled59 said:

It's been done in other countries just fine. They won't get as far as they want to, but they'll definitely restrict some things. If not, just make it a pain in the ass to access.

I suppose.

[jaggysnake57]

38 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Sad to see what's come of UK politics.

 

yeah have you seen the US at the min.....even trumps own government is trying to distance themselves from him......he is the laughing stock of the world right now

29 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

@Taf the Ghost She used to be anti-brexit, but switched sides. Gues where she learned to bend over like that... Yep, the same porn she wants to block.

she didnt switch she became the leader.  she has to deliver brexit and she cant really sit there and say "we are fucked". its all politics.....funnily enough

 

its a knee jerk reaction and more about winning votes than any thing else.....she will look into it then realise its impossible.

[Belgarathian]

49 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

DAFUQ!!! What has porn to do with terrorism...

I feel like taking away porn at this time might create more terrorists 

[tlink]

59 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Part of the manifesto wants it off social media too. Honestly never seen any pron while browsing facebook. Probably not liking those pages that happen to post it though.

have you ever ventured into tumblr? 55% porn, 40% feminists, 5% art/cars. thats a social media.

[Master Disaster]

She's doing what all politicians do, spouting out whatever makes her sound good when in reality she has no idea what she's talking about.

 

An industry expert has been on TV today telling her she's out of touch with reality and what she's proposing not only isn't possible outside of a China style firewall but even then it simply won't work. He made his point by outlining a case where UK intelligence had foiled a plot being planned by telegram and went on to say with VPNs being so easy to access (or even create) these days and the existence or onion interneting all she is going to do is push them into a place where the authorities can no longer monitor them effectively making them harder to track and catch.

 

Its all just pre election rhetoric to appeal to the masses, I'm sure she knows she could never do what she's proposing.

[Taf the Ghost]

24 minutes ago, jaggysnake57 said:

 

yeah have you seen the US at the min.....even trumps own government is trying to distance themselves from him......he is the laughing stock of the world right now

she didnt switch she became the leader.  she has to deliver brexit and she cant really sit there and say "we are fucked". its all politics.....funnily enough

 

its a knee jerk reaction and more about winning votes than any thing else.....she will look into it then realise its impossible.

This is about Control. They're not concerned about the Muslims, for the most part. The Elites wall themselves off from the rest of their societies that has to pay for the policies they enact. Thus, they're not afraid of the actual terrorism.  What they're afraid of covers a lot of things, but the general points is always: 1) losing Control, since they don't truly have their own and 2) Preventing Reality from intruding upon their lives.

 

This is what the prelude to a civil war looks like. The acts are almost all by "known wolves", they have huge lists of them.  Kick them out of the country. It's fairly easy to do. Got a mosque that's a problem? Arrest the leadership for Sedition and boot them out.  It's actually not hard and it'll happen real, real fast if the Elites are ever actually under real threat.  It's really only a question of how bloody all of this is going to be, but the current set of Elites really is that foolish.  (They're not, generally, stupid, but not that smart either. They are, however, categorically foolish, since they lack the ability to understand actual Cause & Effect beyond what impacts their own bottom line.)

 

If you're historically literate, none of this stuff is new. It's pretty much a repeat of the end of the Roman period and multiple Chinese Dynasties. The leaders get fat, happy, spoiled and foolish, then convince themselves to take actions that'll clearly end in their own destruction.  I just wish it wasn't so predictable. 

 

 

[mcraftax]

1 hour ago, sazrocks said:

There's no way half this stuff is even possible without literally outlawing encryption, would be so unbelievably stupid that I can't even put it into words.

MI6 (known as SIS now) called for this to happen after the first attack in London this year.

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

She's doing what all politicians do, spouting out whatever makes her sound good when in reality she has no idea what she's talking about.

 

An industry expert has been on TV today telling her she's out of touch with reality and what she's proposing not only isn't possible outside of a China style firewall but even then it simply won't work. He made his point by outlining a case where UK intelligence had foiled a plot being planned by telegram and went on to say with VPNs being so easy to access (or even create) these days and the existence or onion interneting all she is going to do is push them into a place where the authorities can no longer monitor them effectively making them harder to track and catch.

 

Its all just pre election rhetoric to appeal to the masses, I'm sure she knows she could never do what she's proposing.

Link? I need to see this thanks

[Master Disaster]

Just now, mcraftax said:

MI6 (known as SIS now) called for this to happen after the first attack in London this year.

Link? I need to see this thanks

I can't link it, he was on the actual news this morning.

[mcraftax]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

I can't link it, he was on the actual news this morning.

I guess this was in the UK, what channel?

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, mcraftax said:

I guess this was in the UK, what channel?

BBC

[DildorTheDecent]

24 minutes ago, tlink said:

have you ever ventured into tumblr? 55% porn, 40% feminists, 5% art/cars. thats a social media.

i'd rather not

[Coaxialgamer]

And this is why you don't put old people who don't know anything about the subject at hand in power. 

[Not_Sean]

1 hour ago, jaggysnake57 said:

 

yeah have you seen the US at the min.....even trumps own government is trying to distance themselves from him......he is the laughing stock of the world right now

she didnt switch she became the leader.  she has to deliver brexit and she cant really sit there and say "we are fucked". its all politics.....funnily enough

As a member of the rest of the world, I'd just like to say we so far are enjoying the final season of the USA, Personally I don't know why the writers decided to make it a comedy though... 

[mcraftax]

27 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

BBC

If it was on a general news it won't be found unless it is still on or someone captured it.

But might be in here somewhere: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcnews

Found this through:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40158149

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40149649

And this is a great summary:

http://boingboing.net/2017/06/04/theresa-may-king-canute.html

[Prysin]

23 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

As a member of the rest of the world, I'd just like to say we so far are enjoying the final season of the USA, Personally I don't know why the writers decided to make it a comedy though... 

oh, but according to CNN and NYTimes it is a drama with a hint of bromance. 

Which storyteller to trust?

[KE2012]

The VPN business must be rubbing its hands and laughing all the way to the bank right now. 

[Not_Sean]

8 minutes ago, Prysin said:

oh, but according to CNN and NYTimes it is a drama with a hint of bromance. 

Which storyteller to trust?

I really need a trump "FAKE NEWS" GIF