AMD announces a new Radeon Pro Duo based on two Polaris 10 GPUs, features 32GB of VRAM

[samcool55]

16GB per gpu, and i thought 8GB was already a lot for polaris.

If it was a vega gpu then 16gb would seem about right for a pro-grade version, but it isn't

 

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Yep.

It's also cheaper than the original ProDuo was at launch... But slower.

In that case I could understand the pricing.

37 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Yep. And they offer better fp64 performance than the quadro's ( apart from the gp100 of course) 

Considering it's still only 1/16 rate it's not really a big selling point tho.

[NumLock21]

4 hours ago, RKRiley said:

Wish the consumer cards had the power plugs on the side.

The old cards have them like that.

[ivan134]

I'm confused. Why are people complaining that it's weaker than the original pro duo when it's also cheaper?

[79wjd]

16 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

I'm confused. Why are people complaining that it's weaker than the original pro duo when it's also cheaper?

It looks like the Fiji-based Pro Duo, while at launch was 50% more expensive, has been around $800 since the start of 2017: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wxs8TW/xfx-video-card-r9prod8vrw?history_days=730

 

So there's that and also the poor name scheme. Plus, I think people also expect the Pro Duo to be a Titan-class card -- which generally should get better, not worse. 

[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

It looks like the Fiji-based Pro Duo, while at launch was 50% more expensive, has been around $800 since the start of 2017: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wxs8TW/xfx-video-card-r9prod8vrw?history_days=730

 

So there's that and also the poor name scheme. Plus, I think people also expect the Pro Duo to be a Titan-class card -- which generally should get better, not worse. 

it uses a lot less power thats a plus

[ivan134]

21 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

It looks like the Fiji-based Pro Duo, while at launch was 50% more expensive, has been around $800 since the start of 2017: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wxs8TW/xfx-video-card-r9prod8vrw?history_days=730

 

So there's that and also the poor name scheme. Plus, I think people also expect the Pro Duo to be a Titan-class card -- which generally should get better, not worse. 

Sale prices of older products are never taken into consideration when companies make new products. It also uses less power. I agree that the naming scheme is convoluted.

[79wjd]

Just now, ivan134 said:

Sale prices of older products are never taken into consideration when companies make new products. It also uses less power. I agree that the naming scheme is convoluted.

Is it really a sale price when AMD dropped the price to $800? 

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Is it really a sale price when AMD dropped the price to $800? 

Did they?

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Did they?

I thought they did http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-pro-duo-799-usd-price-cut/

 

Although, reading back over it, it looks like AIB partners clearing stock. 

[Linus_torvalds]

5 hours ago, Fetzie said:

And they gave it the output solution to run 8k monitors, which is currently only a thing on nVidia's 5000 dollar workstation card.

i thought RX 480 had 8k support.

yeah i am right. SO if you want to run 8k monitor you have to buy Nvidias 5000$ card or AMDs 200$ card?

 

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

It looks like the Fiji-based Pro Duo, while at launch was 50% more expensive, has been around $800 since the start of 2017: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wxs8TW/xfx-video-card-r9prod8vrw?history_days=730

 

So there's that and also the poor name scheme. Plus, I think people also expect the Pro Duo to be a Titan-class card -- which generally should get better, not worse. 

Exactly my thoughts! Just why not Vega...

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Exactly my thoughts! Just why not Vega...

Honestly... HBM and the giant die size of Fiji means it is probably MUCH more expensive to produce than Polaris is, so AMD probably wants to completely end all supply and production on the 28nm process.

 

Thus we get a side-grade for anyone who didn't need 32GB of VRAM.

[Doobeedoo]

Yeah, odd to see they went with dual Polaris GPUs on one card. Though I'm sure Vega will be there too.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

10 hours ago, DocSwag said:

So they stuck two 480s on the same pcb, gave each GPU 16gb ram, then raised the price by $400 or so?!?

Plus the workstation features. It's anyways the same with FirePros and Quadros. 

10 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The worst part is that it has to be slower than the previous Pro Duo... Polaris 10 vs Fiji XT? You know which one is faster...

But you shouldn't underestimate the role of power consumption in this market. Plus, if they didn't want the Fijis to draw that much power, they couldn't run them at their single GPU gaming counterparts. I mean, 250W for two Fiki cards is not going to give you that much performance. 

Hence, I'd like to see performance comparisons, and performance per Watt comparisons, before reaching a conclusion. 

4 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

I thought they did http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-pro-duo-799-usd-price-cut/

 

Although, reading back over it, it looks like AIB partners clearing stock. 

It's all the same; in fact, MSRP isn't relevant, only the price you actually get from vendors is what matters (and where the self-competition comes from). 

4 hours ago, mate_mate91 said:

i thought RX 480 had 8k support.

yeah i am right. SO if you want to run 8k monitor you have to buy Nvidias 5000$ card or AMDs 200$ card?

 

But also on one cable for 30Hz,two cables for 60Hz?

[79wjd]

59 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It's all the same; in fact, MSRP isn't relevant, only the price you actually get from vendors is what matters (and where the self-competition comes from). 

It's still different in the sense that it's (potentially) not a sustainable long-term price.

[AlTech]

21 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

snip

Your title and post is factually incorrect. This dual GPU uses 2x Polaris 20 GPU Dies and not Polaris 10.

 

If you'd like to be ridiculously specific then it uses 2x Polaris 20 XTX GPUs.

 

Please update your article to reflect this.

[Morgan MLGman]

17 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Your title and post is factually incorrect. This dual GPU uses 2x Polaris 20 GPU Dies and not Polaris 10.

 

If you'd like to be ridiculously specific then it uses 2x Polaris 20 XTX GPUs.

 

Please update your article to reflect this.

My title is derived from the original article it was based upon: https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-announces-new-radeon-pro-duo-with-two-polaris-10-gpus

Also:

It uses Polaris 10. I'm jugding it by its boost clock, if it was Polaris 20 XTX the clock speeds would've been higher as its boost clock is lower than Polaris 20 XTX base clock...

Also, let's be honest, there is no difference between those chips other than boost clocks.

 

More sources for that:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-adds-new-radeon-pro-duo-with-two-polaris-10-gpus.html

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-pro-duo-dual-polaris-10-graphics-card/

 

I see no reason for updating the article...

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

snip

No, that's not why the GPU boost clocks are not the same. The TDP is less than 250w according to AMD. That is why the clockspeeds are low.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

No, that's not why the GPU boost clocks are not the same. The TDP is less than 250w according to AMD. That is why the clockspeeds are low.

Still, what are the sources for it being the Polaris 20 XTX? Those chips are identical besides the clockspeeds... It's closer to the Polaris 10 chips, at least judging by the specs.

If that info gets confirmed, I can obviously update the post but let's be honest, Polaris 20 XTX = Polaris 10 on higher clock speeds ;-;

11 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

But you shouldn't underestimate the role of power consumption in this market. Plus, if they didn't want the Fijis to draw that much power, they couldn't run them at their single GPU gaming counterparts. I mean, 250W for two Fiki cards is not going to give you that much performance.

Fiji can be efficient if binned and configured properly, a card like mine (R9 Fury Nitro) that can draw up to 350 Watts can be easily tweaked by downvolting to draw around 210 Watts making it almost as efficient as a GTX 980 while being faster (chart below), let alone binning and other tweaks made by AMD's engineers reduced the original ProDuo's power consumption by a lot compared to a regular Fury X...

 

 

The only thing I can think of the new ProDuo can be faster in is tesselation, it got improved with GCN4 over older iterations of GCN. And VRAM-intensive tasks as the original ProDuo had 4GB of HBM per chip.

[The Benjamins]

15 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Exactly my thoughts! Just why not Vega...

a Dual GPU card takes a lot longer to design and may require binning for higher efficiancy chips, making it to were Vega is not a option for this time frame. they probably will work on a dual Vega card but it will come out at least a 6+ months after the initial cards ship.

[Simon771]

22 hours ago, DocSwag said:

So they stuck two 480s on the same pcb, gave each GPU 16gb ram, then raised the price by $400 or so?!?

Hopefully Vega won't be like that (2 GPUs on same card).

[DocSwag]

9 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Hopefully Vega won't be like that (2 GPUs on same card).

There probably will be a dual GPU vega video card somewhere down the road; AMD/ATI's been doing that for over the past 10 years I think.

[Ezzy-525]

But can it run Crysis on Ultra? 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

Fiji can be efficient if binned and configured properly, a card like mine (R9 Fury Nitro) that can draw up to 350 Watts can be easily tweaked by downvolting to draw around 210 Watts making it almost as efficient as a GTX 980 while being faster (chart below), let alone binning and other tweaks made by AMD's engineers reduced the original ProDuo's power consumption by a lot compared to a regular Fury X...

OK, but after all that tweaking, how does it compare to the new Pro Duo? I think that's what is missing so far. My point was just that the previous Pro DUo wasn't simply two Furys inside, so the whatever TDP version for two GPUs they got then, while possibly more efficient than Furys through undervolting, were still delivering lower performance than two regular Furys in Crossfire (up to WS features).

So, the point remains: you can put two Fijis in 250W, and you can put two Polaris in 250w, but the Fijis will be further away from the consumer counterparts than the Polaris.

So, at the end of the day, without questioning what you are saying, I still have to see these two Pro Duos side by side (in the tasks that matter -i.e., not in Crysis )