Ultra Settings Suck

[Not_Sean]

First off, I copied thats topic name off the video and man is it click bait as hell. 

 

but to the topic at hand, Give this video a watch and tell me what you think.

 

 

I never actually realized it till I saw the side by sides he does and to be honest I completely agree with him, Lets take for example GTA V where from High to ultra was very very little difference, from Medium to high you could see a small improvement.  Now if you were to agree with set GTA V settings for all your benchmarks we could actually get some solid advice when watching entry level to mid level graphics card reviews. 

Yes for your 1080's and titans lets max those suckers out and see what they do. 

Whats your thoughts on this ? a better way to review certain cards ? 
@LinusTech @Slick

[Guest]

Who would trust a person who's main career was uploading CS GO YT video that can run on a potato?

[PCGuy_5960]

Most people know that high and ultra settings look similar, but an enthusiast will use Ultra settings, because he is an enthusiast

[Not_Sean]

9 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Who would trust a person who's main career was uploading CS GO YT video that can run on a potato?

this has hands down got to be the stupidest response I've ever seen, Please rather just don't comment next time. 

[refinedskillz]

If a card can run Ultra at so and so  FPS, it will mostly be likely be able to run any other setting better, so why not use Ultra.

[Guest lilbman]

Most people use large screens to play games on.  On those screens is where you will notice a difference the most, I'd imagine.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

Just now, lilbman said:

Most people use large screens to play games on.  On those screens is where you will notice a difference the most, I'd imagine.

Yeah 32 inches and up. Plus those with good eyes and an artistic taste will be able to notice the nuances and stuff.

[Guest lilbman]

Just now, JurunceNK said:

Yeah 32 inches and up. Plus those with good eyes and an artistic taste will be able to notice the nuances and stuff.

On my laptops 15" screen I have to try to notice a difference, but on my 65" QLED 4k Samsung TV, it makes the world of a difference when going from high to ultra.

[Not_Sean]

Just now, refinedskillz said:

If a card can run Ultra at so and so  FPS, it will mostly be likely be able to run any other setting better, so why not use Ultra.

well the issue comes in you look at like a 1050 and oh it can only run things at 20 FPS guess its a bad card. mean while there is it playing GTA V on high with really solid FPS, It just skews it a little. Yes at the moment it works as we are holding everything to the same standard. 

But again for the lower to mid level cards the ultra test really doesn't tell us how good the card while keeping the game beautiful and high FPS. We know the low end cards just can't handle those fancy effects. 

for me as well was really surprised when he was running games at 4K on a 670. I mean on here anyone mentions that card as a good card will be burned at the stake

[Juanitology]

18 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Most people know that high and ultra settings look similar, but an enthusiast will use Ultra settings, because he is an enthusiast

This applies to pretty much everything in life, it's the law of diminishing returns. You'll need massive amounts of extra GPU horsepower (and $$$) for a small visual improvement. But there will always be people with more money than brains around so I don't see that going away anytime soon.

[Not_Sean]

1 minute ago, Terodius said:

This applies to pretty much everything in life, it's the law of diminishing returns. You'll need massive amounts of extra GPU horsepower (and $$$) for a small visual improvement. But there will always be people with more money than brains around so I don't see that going away anytime soon.

Couldn't agree with you more ! 

[Marinatall_Ironside]

6 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

for me as well was really surprised when he was running games at 4K on a 670. I mean on here anyone mentions that card as a good card will be burned at the stake

Well yeah, duh. It's an older card. But if it can run x game at y settings at z FPS in your library, why should you bother upgrading in the first place?

 

I don't get why people upgrade the highest end GPUs every 18 months if they're not going to play the latest AAA game that can harness such obscene power at the settings they desire...

Edited April 5, 2017 by JurunceNK

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Terodius said:

But there will always be people with more money than brains around so I don't see that going away anytime soon.

I wouldn't call tech enthusiasts idiots with a lot of money..... 

[Not_Sean]

2 minutes ago, JurunceNK said:

Well yeah, duh. It's an older card. But if it can run x game at y settings at z FPS in your library, why should you bother upgrading in the first place?

 

I don't get why people upgrade the highest end GPUs every 18 months if they're not going to play the latest AAA game that can harness such obscene power at the settings they desire...

Reason why I say this, is I'm currently building a second system till my main rig hes here in shipping, and was looking at GPU's and such as from all the posts I read/commented on everyone goes off on by a 1060/470 like these are the holy grail, and when looking second hands the comments i got was 770, 970 and up and have to have 4Gb and all that, after watching that its good to know I can go older and still enjoy the games I'm playing. 

TL:DR Graphics cards really don't age as badly when you drop the "Everything at Ultra" mindset and the point of this video is you really ain't having to sacrifice much in graphics quality buy dropping to high/Medium. where back in the day there was a big difference between medium and high. 

[AshleyAshes]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Most people know that high and ultra settings look similar, but an enthusiast will use Ultra settings, because he is an enthusiast

“Audiophiles don’t use their equipment to listen to music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment” -Alan Parsons

This quote is appropriate here.

[Juanitology]

49 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I wouldn't call tech enthusiasts idiots with a lot of money..... 

Not everybody is, but many are. I know a guy with a titan XP playing on a 1080p screen. Another one who doesn't know the difference between RAM and DRAM but spent close to 2k USD just on those two things for his build. 

 

The fact is a lot of so-called enthusiasts are people with a lot of money who just want to buy expensive hardware for bragging rights without knowing if they really need it or how that hardware really works. 

[crysilis]

45 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

“Audiophiles don’t use their equipment to listen to music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment” -Alan Parsons

This quote is appropriate here.

feels bad (well not as bad compared to other posts) for night time users

[Eaglerino]

This changes nothing, I still play on Ultra.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

1 hour ago, Not_Sean said:

Reason why I say this, is I'm currently building a second system till my main rig hes here in shipping, and was looking at GPU's and such as from all the posts I read/commented on everyone goes off on by a 1060/470 like these are the holy grail, and when looking second hands the comments i got was 770, 970 and up and have to have 4Gb and all that, after watching that its good to know I can go older and still enjoy the games I'm playing. 

People are saying that is because today's games and future games can consumes quite a bit of VRAM. The point about the GTX 1060 or the RX 470 is because those cards have the best FPS per dollar ratio for 1080p High/Ultra gaming for pretty much any AAA game out there. And for those who are on older GPUs like the GTX 770 and GTX 970, and the R9 285 and R9 390 (respectively in terms of release dates and competing architectures at their times of release), those cards are still able to hold up still to this day for the targeted resolution and settings. Mind you that you would have to turn down some settings to Medium to get slick performance, as those cards are older, but the FPS output should still be excellent.

 

2 minutes ago, Eaglerino said:

This changes nothing, I still play on Ultra.

Yep. Whenever and wherever I can, I'll set the game settings to Ultra. Unfortunately that doesn't mean I can play all of my games at mixed Medium/High settings at 1440p due to my GTX 960 being limited in terms of raw processing power. It's not so much about VRAM though.

 

Two of the most demanding games I have on my PC are The Witcher 3 and Mass Effect: Andromeda. The Witcher 3 has to have all settings turned to their lowest values except two of those, which are on medium according to GeForce Experience. Mass Effect, on the other hand, has to have the resolution set to 900p with every setting turned down to their lowest values. However for the latter, I have the Resolution Scaling set to Auto 1080p, main resolution set to 1440p, and all settings turned down to their lowest values. Gotta admit when I say I have eyes, I do mean it, as I can see the jagged edges quite clearly and the textures are all dull.

[Ithanul]

2 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

“Audiophiles don’t use their equipment to listen to music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment” -Alan Parsons

This quote is appropriate here.

Fits nicely.

 

Plus, one can be an enthusiast of tech hardware without being a hardcore gamer.

1 hour ago, Terodius said:

Not everybody is, but many are. I know a guy with a titan XP playing on a 1080p screen. Another one who doesn't know the difference between RAM and DRAM but spent close to 2k USD just on those two things for his build. 

 

The fact is a lot of so-called enthusiasts are people with a lot of money who just want to buy expensive hardware for bragging rights without knowing if they really need it or how that hardware really works. 

I don't call those enthusiasts, I call those people with no sense and individuals who are easy to make them part with their money.

[Juanitology]

55 minutes ago, Ithanul said:

Plus, one can be an enthusiast of tech hardware without being a hardcore gamer.

I don't call those enthusiasts, I call those people with no sense and individuals who are easy to make them part with their money.

I don't either, they are self-proclaimed enthusiasts. A lot of the fault also lies with the marketing teams at gaming hardware companies marketing their expensive gear to those people and telling them "hey if you buy out stuff you'll be a cool enthusiast as well" while neglecting the fact that it's knowledge and passion about something that makes you an enthusiast, not necessarily how much you spend on it.

[PCGuy_5960]

19 hours ago, Terodius said:

I know a guy with a titan XP playing on a 1080p screen.

That's not (completely) stupid. You can use 4K resolution in games to get better graphics and games like Watch_dogs 2 and Ghost Recon: Wildands need a Titan XP to get more than 60 FPS at 1080p.

19 hours ago, Terodius said:

The fact is a lot of so-called enthusiasts are people with a lot of money who just want to buy expensive hardware for bragging rights without knowing if they really need it or how that hardware really works. 

A true enthusiast gets hardware to experiment with it (run benchmarks, overclock it etc.) a so-called enthusiast gets hardware to brag about it.

[Juanitology]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

That's not (completely) stupid. You can use 4K resolution in games to get better graphics and games like Watch_dogs 2 and Ghost Recon: Wildands need a Titan XP to get more than 60 FPS at 1080p.

So to you it makes total sense to spend 1000+USD on a GPU that is NOT aimed at the gamer or enthusiast market and then not spend 500USD on a 4K monitor to be able to fully utilize it? The super-resolution gimmick works mostly for older games. In modern games what you'll get is pretty much a very resource-heavy Anti-aliasing filter and a little bit of extra detail.

 

That example was meant to point to the mismatch of people spending a bunch of money on something they don't need and can't use properly because they have no idea of anything.

[Mick Naughty]

Guess it would depend on the game. I don't play potatoe skilled games like gta but fps stuff like cod or bf I notice it. 

 

Played bf4 on ultra on 1440p. It was horrid, too much to focus on and kinda hurt my eyes. No other games have bothered me like that though. But I find it easier to use a weak card like a 1080 on triple 1080 so you can't come close to using ultra or high settings