intel in problems (skylake or ryzen)

[thomas gameris]

i just watched this video it is interesting link:

 

look like intel is having bad time and it look like amd can retake some part of the cpu buisness 

(will you build ryzen or kabylake build?)

iam interested!

[Gung Pow Chicken]

I personally wouldn't my 4770k is more than powerful for my needs.

[xentropa]

Intel is a very arrogant company.  I think that could be their downfall in the coming years unless they drastically change their business strategy.

[Organized]

1 minute ago, xentropa said:

Intel is a very arrogant company.  I think that could be their downfall in the coming years unless they drastically change their business strategy.

Word. My next build will be pure AMD, I just like them as a company.

[Trendwalker]

Amd is catching up and I'm pretty sure Intel is scared I'm really hoping that amd will be better or at least close to Intel 

[TheSSVids]

Thing is, the reason intel's such a shitty company nowadays is because of lack of competition. Sure, AMD makes CPUs too, but frankly they're just shit compared to intel. An intel quad core is better than like an amd 8 core, really says a lot.

[thomas gameris]

3 minutes ago, Organized said:

Word. My next build will be pure AMD, I just like them as a company.

my build is 100% amd too

 

[Raen]

If AMD can get anywhere near Intel's single core processing, it'll be an interesting year. I doubt it though. But Intel could use some competition to promote more innovation. They've stagnated hard.

[Brennan Price]

Please change title otherwise you might get problems

12 hours ago, thomas gameris said:

my build is 100% amd too

 

 

Same

[thomas gameris]

1 minute ago, Raen said:

If AMD can get anywhere near Intel's single core processing, it'll be an interesting year. I doubt it though. But Intel could use some competition to promote more innovation. They've stagnated hard.

yes with competetion will make good to us customers look at the gtx 1080 its expensive or the 1070 it expensive but the gtx 1060 that is about the same performance as rx480 the is a big gap

[Princess Luna]

I have a Kaby Lake but honestly more and more Ryzen seems like a better deal, if those 8 cores 16 threads CPUs have really good IPC and performance they will p3wn the i7 market

 

I don't like this youtuber though, he is an AMD fanboy who wouldn't lose the chance to speak bad of Intel.

[thomas gameris]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I have a Kaby Lake but honestly more and more Ryzen seems like a better deal, if those 8 cores 16 threads CPUs have really good IPC and performance they will p3wn the i7 market

i hope so intel need competetion it help us customers

 

[manikyath]

lets be honest, intel can probably not sell a desktop part for a year and come out relatively unharmed.

 

i'm also still extremely skeptical about zen's performance, some of the leaked numbers dont add up, i hope they can shake the monolith that is intel awake again (so maybe for once my i7 4790k isnt within margin of the latest and greatest... i keep forgetting we've had 3 generations since then..) but i fear it may turn out into another FX horror story.

[Rune]

Intel could give away processors for four years and still have more money and resources than AMD would.

They'll be just fine.

[thomas gameris]

3 minutes ago, Rune said:

Intel could give away processors for four years and still have more money and resources than AMD would.

They'll be just fine.

jop but intel would not do it amd probably

 would (in my oppinion anyways)

 

[NumLock21]

I haven't looked at the video and won't be anytime soon. From the looks of it, the video seems to just pulled a bunch of articles about Intel and predict that it will fall hard due to Ryzen. First of all Ryzen isn't out yet, so until we see official reviews and benchmarks. Anything mentioned in that video, is just pulling info out of their asses.

As of Dec 31, 2016 quarterly, they spent $3.2B just on R&D.

AMD on the other hand, as of Dec 31 2016 quarterly, they spent $264M on R&D.

[manikyath]

5 minutes ago, thomas gameris said:

jop but intel would not do it amd probably

 would (in my oppinion anyways)

 

you need mental assistance if you think AMD would give away stuff for free, in the end they're a buisiness like any other.

[thomas gameris]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

you need mental assistance if you think AMD would give away stuff for free, in the end they're a buisiness like any other.

i know i know just that is how amd fells to me like the good guy thats shy

[NumLock21]

16 minutes ago, thomas gameris said:

i know i know just that is how amd fells to me like the good guy thats shy

AMD a good guy? it's because they're products can't compete with Intel so they are forced to lower their prices. If they were to be the leader in cpu performance, continuing with their AMD Athlon days, you won't see a sub $200 8 core processor.

I still remember the day when they said, they gave up on the enthusiast, and decided to just focus on APUs. Who ever that was, is probably long gone, and finally AMD has decided to once more get back into the competition.

 

AMD from the good old days. A standard ATX board for enthusiast and work. White long slots are PCI 64bit.

 

[michaelocarroll007]

1 hour ago, thomas gameris said:

i just watched this video it is interesting link:

 

look like intel is having bad time and it look like amd can retake some part of the cpu buisness 

(will you build ryzen or kabylake build?)

iam interested!

 asking me to make a decision if im spending hundreds of dollars on a build when we have no idea the pricing or performance/ a single review of ryzen. Obviously i would not sign in that im going to do 100% pick ryzen.

 

Any sensible asnwer is im going to wait and see if they offer anything competeive pricing or performance wise or i dont want to wait and want to build my computer now 

[Hasle]

A healthy bit of competition is only good for us consumers. I'm not particularly interested in Ryzen, but I'll swoop when the prices of Intel processors drop.

[Mira Yurizaki]

I'm still skeptical that there's any real innovation left to be had in the traditional RISC/CISC CPU architecture.

 

You can claim Intel is lacking competition all you want, but when I see something like this:

It makes me think Intel isn't just sitting on their laurels. Maybe it's time to think beyond Moore's Law helping performance and start looking at software development. While I never really enjoyed conversations with an AMD fanboy on Bulldozer, it still brings up a good point: if you really want to make the most out of your hardware, you have to create your software to do such. Maybe most software development is still under the belief that "Moore's Law will make up for any deficiencies."

 

However, I do not mean this as an invitation to start bashing software developers left and right and telling them they suck. Proper multithreaded programming is very hard to do. For example, the developer of Paint.NET avoided it for a long time because of this, but was finally backed into a corner because the only way to eke more performance was to do it.

 

And even then, something called Amdahl's Law rears its ugly head.

[imPixelTV]

Intel are very stuck-up. AMD have only just become profitable after a few shitty quarters. My next build will most likely be AMD FX due to the parts I currently have + cheap AMD FX parts thanks to Ryzen

[thomas gameris]

6 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm still skeptical that there's any real innovation left to be had in the traditional RISC/CISC CPU architecture.

 

You can claim Intel is lacking competition all you want, but when I see something like this:

It makes me think Intel isn't just sitting on their laurels. Maybe it's time to think beyond Moore's Law helping performance and start looking at software development. While I never really enjoyed conversations with an AMD fanboy on Bulldozer, it still brings up a good point: if you really want to make the most out of your hardware, you have to create your software to do such. Maybe most software development is still under the belief that "Moore's Law will make up for any deficiencies."

 

However, I do not mean this as an invitation to start bashing software developers left and right and telling them they suck. Proper multithreaded programming is very hard to do. For example, the developer of Paint.NET avoided it for a long time because of this, but was finally backed into a corner because the only way to eke more performance was to do it.

 

And even then, something called Amdahl's Law rears its ugly head.

just so you know iam not a amd fanboy and iam not nitpicking intel or any other gpu/cpu comporation amd have problems too i just think that intel is anti-consumer

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, thomas gameris said:

just so you know iam not a amd fanboy and iam not nitpicking intel or any other gpu/cpu comporation amd have problems too i just think that intel is anti-consumer

It's also easy to point at Intel doing this, but many electronics firms, if they're in the top spot, like to milk their customer base for all they're worth before something else comes along. There have been plenty of case where ATI and AMD have been ahead of their competitors and sold their parts for slightly higher than the expected going rate, only to drop to said going rate when their competitors finally release something. And even for a while when AMD was better than Intel with Athlon 64, they were charging more than Intel for what was a competitive part. http://www.anandtech.com/show/1745/3

 

So I'm not quick to point fingers at Intel by virtue of the clean hands doctrine.

 

I mean, I'm not going to ignore that Intel bribed OEMs back in the Pentium 4 days to not use AMD, but I'm pointing out not even AMD and ATI were above doing such practices that seem anti-consumer.