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Yes, it is misleading, they should have gone with TLC and QLC respectively instead of this 3bit MLC / 4bit MLC... but it's not like any one cares, it's Samsung they can get away with it specially as there is no specific rules in nomenclature and any one can argue it's all "MLC"

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Hello ! I came across a specific details that bothers me and I wonder if you guys could answer my question (for the purpose of the topic, we will only talk about the SSD 860 series)

Samsung on their web site (specs section) advertise their SSD's exactly like this :

QVO 860 (1TB) : Samsung V-NAND 4bit MLC

EVO 860 (1TB) : Samsung V-NAND 3bit MLC

PRO 860 (1TB) : Samsung V-NAND 2bit MLC

 

The problem is that fundamentally if a cell has 2bits it's a MLC, if it has 3bits it's a TLC and if it has 4bits it's a QLC.

This is my question: Why does Samsung keep advertising their SSD's as MLC if they are not ?? Is it partially true at a certain extent (maybe if it's just 20, 40, 60, 80 or even 100% true) or it's just marketing bullshit for sales ?

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because M in MLC means multi. Technically any number that's not 0 or 1 fits the name, it's just of tradition that MLC means 2 bit cells. They did specify bits per cell here so it's not wrong.

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Yes, it is misleading, they should have gone with TLC and QLC respectively instead of this 3bit MLC / 4bit MLC... but it's not like any one cares, it's Samsung they can get away with it specially as there is no specific rules in nomenclature and any one can argue it's all "MLC"

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

because M in MLC means multi. Technically any number that's not 0 or 1 fits the name, it's just of tradition that MLC means 2 bit cells. They did specify bits per cell here so it's not wrong.

So it's partially marketing thought to help the sales, even if it's not technically wrong ?

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8 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Yes, it is misleading, they should have gone with TLC and QLC respectively instead of this 3bit MLC / 4bit MLC... but it's not like any one cares, it's Samsung they can get away with it specially as there is no specific rules in nomenclature and any one can argue it's all "MLC"

So it's partially marketing thought to help the sales, even if it's not technically wrong ?

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4 minutes ago, blastreaper101 said:

So it's partially marketing thought to help the sales, even if it's not technically wrong ?

You can call it marketing since everyone else stick to SLC MLC TLC QLC naming scheme

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Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

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7 minutes ago, blastreaper101 said:

So it's partially marketing thought to help the sales, even if it's not technically wrong ?

It is definitely marketing indeed. :)

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22 minutes ago, blastreaper101 said:

Why does Samsung keep advertising their SSD's as MLC if they are not ??

because MLC is any nand flash with more than 1 layer. 

 

technically speaking, its not wrong to call 2 layer MLC. its more descriptive term would be DLC

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

technically speaking, its not wrong to call 2 layer MLC. its more descriptive term would be DLC

let's download more storage space

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

let's download more storage space

That's a good one ahah

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Yes, Samsung did that naming scheme with the intention of lying and decept... Technically you could say the "purpose" is to lie, but the courts will not accept that, it technically is a "right" label

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