Microsoft is Infuriating. - Surface Studio 2 Review

[AlexTheGreatish]

The fact Microsoft got so many things right with the Surface Studio 2 makes the things they got wrong that much worse.

 

Buy Surface Studio 2
On Amazon: http://geni.us/n4m1
On Newegg: http://geni.us/9KykOm

 

 

[Rune]

When Microsoft said we wouldn't be carrying them in store (Microcenter) I was kinda bummed. But now I can kinda see why they didn't want us to. 7820HQ....really :c

[minibois]

I hate how good and bad this thing is.

Some day I would love to get a good display to draw on, but Wacom is making their stuff so expensive now (plus, you need USB type C to actually get 4K on the Cintiq Pro 16 apparently), that they are not even a viable option at this point.

 

I don't want to go to a FHD option, but you have a lot of MUCH cheaper options there. You can get screen display for under 300 USD at that resolution!

At this point I strongly dislike the grip Wacom has on the drawing display market, how other brands just keep on making budget options and how Microsoft just makes... This thing. A machine that is cool, but just should be a sole display instead of having a last gen laptop packed into it.

 

But I loved the video though  

[danwat1234]

Wow.. why would Microsoft use last year's mobile CPU in a 2018 super expensive computer? Logic.. 

[SkyHound0202]

Dell Canvas 27 for 1700 USD or Huion Kamvas Pro 22 for 900 USD for graphic design. Plus any other sensible configuration.

Enough said.

[Drak3]

54 minutes ago, danwat1234 said:

Wow.. why would Microsoft use last year's mobile CPU in a 2018 super expensive computer? Logic.. 

Thermals.

 

For the target audience, there isn't much reason to push more powerful CPUs that would just throttle to hell.

[NameGenerator]

Microsoft Is actually making just a display that has swap able hardware

[xnamkcor]

I see a Dan Avidan.

[captain_to_fire]

Basically, it’s aimed for creative professionals with deep pockets. 

[danwat1234]

@Drak3 Yup makes sense and not much more clockspeed going to 8th gen and 0 IPC improvement.. just 2 more cores that'll throttle in that small (fanless?) package. EDIT: and they may have gotten a good deal on leftover 7th gen silicon.

Edited December 15, 2018 by danwat1234

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, captain_to_fire said:

Basically, it’s aimed for creative professionals with deep pockets. 

No, it's aimed at creative professionals that can't afford an equivalent Wacom Cintiq AND a PC that can drive said Cintiq.

[Wh0_Am_1]

My thoughts are this product is probably aimed at the animation industry (esp. in Japan and South Korea) in which case they would probably be drawing and maybe some light 3D modeling on the side, in which case they could send the rendering off to dedicated servers. If that is the case then this machine has plenty of power, more than most of it's users would probably need even several years down the road.

[Guest]

a 1070 and 32 gigs of ram for a drawing tablet...ok I guess? 

Is that what professional needs? An high end intel iGPU handles high screen resolution as well and has 1/5 the power consumption, the ram....
well... The ram?? 

[Drak3]

Just now, Lukyp said:

a 1070 and 32 gigs of ram for a drawing tablet...ok I guess? 

Is that what professional needs? An high end intel iGPU handles high screen resolution as well and has 1/5 the power consumption, the ram....
well... The ram?? 

Depending on what you're actually doing, and what programs you're running, you can benefit from the increase in performance and/or CUDA acceleration. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Depending on what you're actually doing, and what programs you're running, you can benefit from the increase in performance and/or CUDA acceleration. 

No one with a brain will buy this for using it as a regular workstation, as Linus said only drawers can appreciate this thing 

Except for the screen, there is no other reason to buy this 

[Drak3]

Just now, Lukyp said:

as Linus said only drawers can appreciate this thing 

That means nothing to me. It shouldn't mean anything to anyone with any type of understanding of tech above "it exists."

1 minute ago, Lukyp said:

No one with a brain will buy this for using it as a regular workstation,

Use case dependent.

 

2 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

there is no other reason to buy this 

Size.

Aesthetic.

Any reason to buy any AiO.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Use case dependent.

Drawers with a big wallet + a workstation dude with a big wallet and doesn't care about wasting money and poor processing power 

Use case dependent, but also for stupid users

[Drak3]

Just now, Lukyp said:

poor processing power 

Not really lacking in that department.

 

2 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Drawers with a big wallet

Artists

Animators

Graphic Designers

Architects

Engineers

Photo/video edittors

Collaborative project PCs

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Not really lacking in that department.

>i7 7820hq
>4.000$ 

Is just useless, that cpu is a shame, and there are small modular cases that will save space and look good as well, if you are spending 4.000$ for anything else than that monitor you can just be tagged as a not very intelligent person, and you couldn't argue on that

[Drak3]

Just now, Lukyp said:

i7 7820hq

That's a hyper threaded, quad core processor with a base clock of 2.9GHz, boost of 3.9GHz. Definitely powerful enough for most use cases it's made for.

 

3 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Is just useless

The Cintiq Pro 24" touch alone is $2500. Cheap stand is $380. You have $1,320 to build an equivalent system, if we're going with the mid tier. That shrinks to $620 if looking at the base Studio.

 

12 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

if you are spending 4.000$ for anything else than that monitor you can just be tagged as a not very intelligent people

While you can make that statement, you can't make it ring true. You're not the arbitrator of whether or not this system is a justifiable purchase, regardless if it is a complete mismatch to YOUR use case.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

While you can make that statement, you can't make it ring true. You're not the arbitrator of whether or not this system is a justifiable purchase, regardless if it is a complete mismatch to YOUR use case.

If your use case is wasting money and not getting a good value out of it when there are much valuable alternatives, yes. 
Still you can and will probably be criticized  

[Ashleyyyy]

it's sad that the often good Surface hardware gets ruined by an awful OS... 

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

This is 100 times better and cheaper https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Digital-Graphic-Drawing-PTH660/dp/B01MQU5LW7/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1544933076&sr=1-6&keywords=wacom+tablet

[Egg-Roll]

*Sees title*

*Looks for something witty*

This Happens:

 

 

Side note: whoever made that crab rave video had to of been really bored, they also got it 100% wrong raves really start after the sun falls...

 

On topic:

I think Linus could have made a better build to insult Microsoft:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor	$289.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$24.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$138.90 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - FORTIS 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$384.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$147.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB Turbo Video Card	$754.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$98.89 @ OutletPC
Monitor	LG - 27UK650-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor	$473.44 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2448.96
	Mail-in rebates	-$65.00
	Total	$2383.96
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-16 01:38 EST-0500

Plus $2,499.95 for the wacom, which is more expensive yes if you cut the ram in half it bring it down $180, which puts it at $500 more but should provide a way better experience for any creator.

[TechyBen]

12 hours ago, Minibois said:

I hate how good and bad this thing is.

Some day I would love to get a good display to draw on, but Wacom is making their stuff so expensive now (plus, you need USB type C to actually get 4K on the Cintiq Pro 16 apparently), that they are not even a viable option at this point.

 

I don't want to go to a FHD option, but you have a lot of MUCH cheaper options there. You can get screen display for under 300 USD at that resolution!

At this point I strongly dislike the grip Wacom has on the drawing display market, how other brands just keep on making budget options and how Microsoft just makes... This thing. A machine that is cool, but just should be a sole display instead of having a last gen laptop packed into it.

 

But I loved the video though  

I assume MS is licensing Wacom tech? (Or another similar company?) Part of the licensing deal might be no display ports allowed?