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Very Important Question Regarding Employed LTT Members

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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I can't seem to find someone to ask other than others who have been through the process. I am currently a freshman in college on track for a BS computer science degree in the US. I am searching online for what employment will look like on indeed, monster, and local postings. Now many of the jobs I would say I am interested in say required computer science degree, software engineering, IT, or knowledge of required materials. I take it a company would rather hire someone with a a degree but this is saying if you can demonstrate the abilities they are looking for they will hire you. Also many say 5+ years of experience in related field or with the tools they want. So is it better to get a computer science degree and work at a job or an internship. Then come out of college with a degree and 4 years of work  experience in that area. Or just get a degree from a higher class college but start the job search with the only job experience being high school jobs. 

 

By higher class college I mean the program is higher quality, accredited (which doesn't really matter for CS), and is ranked is #9 instead of #38 in the midwest for CS. But from what I see employers are desperate for skilled works so as long as you know your stuff you have a job. 

 

If you don't get what I am talking about maybe just post the route you took for your school or not school and the job you have. If you are comfortable putting how much you make a year that would help as well. Thanks

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

 

Imo, the CS Degree and relevant work experience (help desk, internship, etc.) is a much better plan. Most ignore high school jobs.

 

We actually hire interns when they're particularly good. I was offered previous position right when I was graduating, and someone else on my team is in the same boat.

 

One year of internship experience + a degree can get you an entry-level position. 2 or 3 years in an entry-level position can get you into a normal-tier position, etc, etc.

 

Why don't you do both? Better program and do an internship while going?

 

My path was: Paid Intern --hired--> Previous Position --promoted--> Current Position.

 

Each hop was roughly + 22k.

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Here in Germany, I started a second apprenticeship. That seems to work out great for me so far and when I'm fully employed by the company I work for I should earn around 2500-3000€ before tax.

 

I work as a IT systems engineer btw.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

Imo, the CS Degree and relevant work experience (help desk, internship, etc.) is a much better plan. Most ignore high school jobs.

 

We actually hire interns when they're particularly good. I was offered previous position right when I was graduating, and someone else on my team is in the same boat.

I would think any job actually would rather see some work experience than not

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1 minute ago, Senzelian said:

Here in Germany, I started a second apprenticeship. That seems to work out great for me so far and when I'm fully employed by the company I work for I should earn around 2500-3000€ before tax.

Is that a week or month? I don't know what's typica in germany

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Just now, BuckGup said:

I would think any job actually would rather see some work experience than not

In my experience, irrelevant work experience is basically the same as none. YMMV.

 

Also see my edits.

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I did a CS degree here in the UK, it was a four year "sandwich course".

 

This meant that we did university work (lectures, assignments and assessments) for the first two years, a placement year with a company for the third year and then our final year in the fourth year.

 

It was great because for about half of the second year you got someone professional to look over your resume/applications for the companies and they'd give advice on how to word certain things and what to say in general. Good advise and knowledge for future applications even if you were unsuccessful. 

 

Many of the companies that offered placement years with my university also offered full time jobs afterwords to the students if they did well within the year.

 

Maybe see if your college offers something similar? 

 

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A lot of jobs say computer science degree because they have been written by someone in HR with no understanding of what the job is. 

 

Going into a job without a degree, but 4 years experience with the relevant systems would of course be better in my opinion. 

It's just not possible most of the time. 

 

I've done a 2 year 'Internship' straight from college, promoted straight to a full time position - where the job advert for the job I do in most companies, would specify university educated. 

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Keep in mind many entry level postings will say they want x years of experience knowing damn well that there are few and far in between that actually have that many years of experience.  Sure in the low chance they find someone who has that many years they're probably getting the job but in most cases they are asking for the absolute best case scenario because theres that low chance they might actually get that person. 

 

TLDR.  Unless applying for mid to senior level don't let "experience requirements" discourage you from applying.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Rhyss said:

I did a CS degree here in the UK, it was a four year "sandwich course".

 

This meant that we did university work (lectures, assignments and assessments) for the first two years, a placement year with a company for the third year and then our final year in the fourth year.

 

It was great because for about half of the second year you got someone professional to look over your resume/applications for the companies and they'd give advice on how to word certain things and what to say in general. Good advise and knowledge for future applications even if you were unsuccessful. 

 

Many of the companies that offered placement years with my university also offered full time jobs afterwords to the students if they did well within the year.

 

Maybe see if your college offers something similar? 

 - https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/study-at-northumbria/courses/computer-science-bsc-ft-uuscsi1/

Oh yeah, I should note that I found my internship through my school since many members of our IT Departments are Alumni. 

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1 minute ago, wANKER said:

A lot of jobs say computer science degree because they have been written by someone in HR with no understanding of what the job is. 

 

Going into a job without a degree, but 4 years experience with the relevant systems would of course be better in my opinion. 

It's just not possible. 

I totally agree, sadly HR keeps good candidates at the door. HR typically decides who gets to interview at all.

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Why don't you do both? Better program and do an internship while going?

 

My path was: Intern --hired--> Previous Position --promoted--> Current Position.

With how rigorous the school is I wouldn't be able to pass my classes if I worked. The school is based on quarters so in the first year you take 50 credits with 12 lab hours. Realistically I would only be able to work weekends but that's not realistic for the real world working hours. It's basically a modified software engineering degree but focuses on Artificial Intelligence more than the typical designing aspect in software engineering.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

With how rigorous the school is I wouldn't be able to pass my classes if I worked. The school is based on quarters so in the first year you take 50 credits with 12 lab hours. Realistically I would only be able to work weekends but that's not realistic for the real world working hours. It's basically a modified software engineering degree but focuses on Artificial Intelligence more than the typical designing aspect in software engineering.

Understood. Is it year-round? If not, I'd check and see if the school has a placement program that works with companies to get you summer internships.

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5 minutes ago, Rhyss said:

I did a CS degree here in the UK, it was a four year "sandwich course".

 

This meant that we did university work (lectures, assignments and assessments) for the first two years, a placement year with a company for the third year and then our final year in the fourth year.

 

It was great because for about half of the second year you got someone professional to look over your resume/applications for the companies and they'd give advice on how to word certain things and what to say in general. Good advise and knowledge for future applications even if you were unsuccessful. 

 

Many of the companies that offered placement years with my university also offered full time jobs afterwords to the students if they did well within the year.

 

Maybe see if your college offers something similar? 

 

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kinda sounds like co-op education here in the US. my engineering program highly encourages co-ops and/or internships before graduation, but it's not required 

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1 minute ago, JoeyDM said:

Understood. Is it year-round? If not, I'd check and see if the school has a placement program that works with companies to get you summer internships.

It has class year round but for most it's 9 months with holiday breaks. Yeah they do the problem is I am not from where the college is located so I only have a bike and live in a dorm. The other option is move back home where I have my car and the school there is much cheaper but the degree is lesser but I would compensate by work experience.

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6 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It has class year round but for most it's 9 months with holiday breaks. Yeah they do the problem is I am not from where the college is located so I only have a bike and live in a dorm. The other option is move back home where I have my car and the school there is much cheaper but the degree is lesser but I would compensate by work experience.

Hm this is honestly a tricky one. 

 

I actually think it's a bit of an issue declaring a specialization in A.I. before you get your feet wet and see if you like the work. It's crazy how often you get to touch a few fields and go for something you never thought you'd go, or even knew existed. I thought I'd go networking, but I went industrial control systems, data acquisition, and all the field equipment that comes with it.

 

Is there a reason you can't have your car at the better school?

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24 minutes ago, Techicolors said:

kinda sounds like co-op education here in the US. my engineering program highly encourages co-ops and/or internships before graduation, but it's not required 

Yeah it wasn't required required for us either, you could choose to take part in the placement year (internship) or go right to your final year and only do a three year course, it had no baring on your overall mark.

 

Although it worked out really well as a few of my friends did placements with Nissan and got full time employment offers from them after finishing, so they did really well with that. Not low level jobs either.

 

A lass on my course actually got one with CERN. Don't think she got a permanent offer though.

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47 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

By higher class college I mean the program is higher quality, accredited (which doesn't really matter for CS), and is ranked is #9 instead of #38 in the midwest for CS. But from what I see employers are desperate for skilled works so as long as you know your stuff you have a job. 

I would definitely look for an ABET accredited CS major. Sure employers are desperate for developers but from what I've seen they still prefer candidates who have a degree from an accredited school. I would also go for the degree over just "relevant experience." Companies say that they they'll hire based on equivalent experience, but my dad has been working as an IT Director for the past 10-15 years and has trouble applying for different jobs because his bachelors was in Philosophy.

 

Definitely get some internship experience as well, I know a lot of people - myself included - who got job offers from doing Engineering Internship programs over the summer of Sophomore/Junior year. If you can get a part time job on campus that is even somewhat relevant (say working as a student computer technician or at a local radio station part time) that can also help you land an internship. If your credit load is too much you might be able to split it up into a 5 year program, although I know that doesn't sound ideal.

 

Most of my friends and immediate family have CS backgrounds; however my experience may not be nearly as relevant as some of the other members on here (I'm a Senior Aerospace Engineering student working in IT as opposed to Computer Science & Engineering) and I definitely don't know the industry as well as others. So feel free to take what I say with a bucket of salt.

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5 minutes ago, The Pikachu Mafia said:

I would definitely look for an ABET accredited CS major. Sure employers are desperate for developers but from what I've seen they still prefer candidates who have a degree from an accredited school. I would also go for the degree over just "relevant experience." Companies say that they they'll hire based on equivalent experience, but my dad has been working as an IT Director for the past 10-15 years and has trouble applying for different jobs because his bachelors was in Philosophy.

 

Definitely get some internship experience as well, I know a lot of people - myself included - who got job offers from doing Engineering Internship programs over the summer of Sophomore/Junior year. If you can get a part time job on campus that is even somewhat relevant (say working as a student computer technician or at a local radio station part time) that can also help you land an internship. If your credit load is too much you might be able to split it up into a 5 year program, although I know that doesn't sound ideal.

 

Most of my friends and immediate family have CS backgrounds; however my experience may not be nearly as relevant as some of the other members on here (I'm a Senior Aerospace Engineering student working in IT as opposed to Computer Science & Engineering) and I definitely don't know the industry as well as others. So feel free to take what I say with a bucket of salt.

I was under the impression ABET mattered for CS until I looked into it and schools like Stanford and MIT don't have accredited computer science programs

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27 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

Hm this is honestly a tricky one. 

 

I actually think it's a bit of an issue declaring a specialization in A.I. before you get your feet wet and see if you like the work. It's crazy how often you get to touch a few fields and go for something you never thought you'd go, or even knew existed. I thought I'd go networking, but I went industrial control systems, data acquisition, and all the field equipment that comes with it.

 

Is there a reason you can't have your car at the better school?

Right I think that's a issue too that I don't really know what I want to do. 

 

I would have to pay $495 a semester and my parents still use it

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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I was under the impression ABET mattered for CS until I looked into it and schools like Stanford and MIT don't have accredited computer science programs

I image at that point ABET accreditation doesn't matter because those schools are prestigious enough in and of themselves. By virtue of graduating from MIT - as opposed to generic university [x] - you'd be put in a class of your own and have already differentiated yourself from your peers. :P

 

Of course, again, I could be absolutely wrong here since CS isn't really my industry. Personally I agree that work experience beats out a piece of paper saying "I graduated from SnobbyMcSnobs university with high honors," but employers do care about that kind of stuff when weeding out potential candidates.

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35 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

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so there's two parts to this question

1. Should i go for a full 4 yr, or get a 2 yr degree and start an internship early?

2. Is a better school worth it?

My response

1. some of this depends on what part off IT you are going into. If what you want to do is more knowledge based, like cpu architecture, I'd say go for the 4 yr and see if you can find an internship in your last year to give you exp and a foot in the door.

If you're doing more physical stuff, like computer repair and networking, then going for a two year so you can say you went to school and then spend more time getting exp with an internship or job might be a better use of your time. That being said, if you have time and money, then a 4 yr will help your resume get you to interviews and gives you more time to enjoy the college experience and make friends and find colleagues in your field. most colleges also have a lot of resources for finding jobs and building resumes.

2. They say hindsight is 20/20. Given that I did NOT do what i'm about to advise you, and i regret it.

I would suggest for anyone in any field to start with community college to get the cores out of the way. CC is much cheaper, and most core classes will transfer into higher institutions. Also if your high school gpa isn't the best, it's easier to get into a nicer school if you transfer in with good grades from another school. Most importantly though, if you never developed any study habits in grade school and WILL have a hard time adjusting, this is a buffer zone of easy schooling to transition you into college workloads

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8 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

so there's two parts to this question

1. Should i go for a full 4 yr, or get a 2 yr degree and start an internship early?

2. Is a better school worth it?

My response

1. some of this depends on what part off IT you are going into. If what you want to do is more knowledge based, like cpu architecture, I'd say go for the 4 yr and see if you can find an internship in your last year to give you exp and a foot in the door.

If you're doing more physical stuff, like computer repair and networking, then going for a two year so you can say you went to school and then spend more time getting exp with an internship or job might be a better use of your time. That being said, if you have time and money, then a 4 yr will help your resume get you to interviews and gives you more time to enjoy the college experience and make friends and find colleagues in your field. most colleges also have a lot of resources for finding jobs and building resumes.

2. They say hindsight is 20/20. Given that I did NOT do what i'm about to advise you, and i regret it.

I would suggest for anyone in any field to start with community college to get the cores out of the way. CC is much cheaper, and most core classes will transfer into higher institutions. Also if your high school gpa isn't the best, it's easier to get into a nicer school if you transfer in with good grades from another school. Most importantly though, if you never developed any study habits in grade school and WILL have a hard time adjusting, this is a buffer zone of easy schooling to transition you into college workloads

Well if I was to transfer I would already have all my core classes done and I am half way through the first quarter so there's that

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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Well if I was to transfer I would already have all my core classes done and I am half way through the first quarter so there's that

getting core done in a cheaper environment will be well worth it. For reference, here's the mistakes I made.

Went straight to a well known college (went for a non it degree that I'm not currently using, but that's not the most important part.)

Bombed it cuz i had no exp with studying in grade school and did just fine. spent the rest of college trying to develop study skills during a hard adjustment to college life. Finished my junior year, still not really knowing how to study, but core was out of the way and I'm good at self learning, so since i want to know all that info for senior year, I might be fine. I failed several classes early on though and to make sure I don't have top take an extra semester, I got dean's permission to cram 6 classes in one semester to get done on time. I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH how STUPID of an idea this was, given my lack of experience with harder college coursework!!! PLEASE DON'T DO THIS, pay for the extra time!  Back to the semester: I know that my senior project will be writing based and I SUCK at essay/academic writing. So I spend the whole summer writing 90% of my paper (minus results and conclusion of course) and come into the class with most of a paper written. I did a project on water filtration and literally spent some of summer vacation touring local water purification plants in my municipality. I spend all semester perfecting it, adding my results and conclusion, working the most on the methodology section, because that's most of the grade. I went to the library and got people to help me perfect it. All the while I neglected homework in 2 of my classes, both by the same teacher who was lecture based about concepts. Great class and I learned a lot, but the HW was small little things, a paragraph here, a drawing there, but LOTS of it. It overwhelmed me and I didn't do most of it. I was too busy with an academic essay to worry about a paragraph or a drawing. So I graduate, walk the stage, had a feeling it wasn't going to be good enough (graduation is done ceremonially before all teachers get a chance to grade everything, so it's not final and I hate this process). I got to PA, where my wife is finishing school and I find jobs up there. I get the call. I failed those two classes and the senior capstone is a c wall class, I got a C-.

Now I contact my teachers to see what can be done.

If you care at all about your education, please ask! you'd be surprised at how much teachers are willing to work with you! If they can tell you want to do better and succeed, they will help you succeed in any way they can

Back to the story: the teacher with two classes knows I'm smart and knows I want to succeed despite my lack of devotion to his class. He gives a list of HW I missed, just asks me to do it and he'll fix it. OK I'm clear, all good! whew!

the senior capstone teacher says I only need to fix my METHODOLOGY section and he'll help...

now some may say I am a quitter for this, but I gave up because of that. Academic writing is my worst skill period. I would be a better coal shoveler than an essay writer. If there's one thing I know, It's my limits. I knew 100% that I could fix those 2 classes, but I could not do any better on that methodology. And you have to remember I literally spent months before the class started writing it, spent all semester tweaking and perfecting it, with help from library staff and the on campus essay writing helpers. If he had said a different section of the paper I would have done it, but there was nothing left for me to give that section of the paper, and I knew it. 

So here I am, 3 classes short of a degree I'm not even into anymore, working my way up. I went through a lot of staffing/factory jobs that ruined both my finances and confidence. I have lots of credit card debt, and that's after my parents bailed me out of a lot of it. I caught my first break working for staples as an easy tech. I told myself if I got that job I would never work in a factory again, and that's held. I worked at staples for 2 years part time 9.30/hr. because of my lack of education and decent job, my wife has been the primary breadwinner, even though she wants to stay home with the kids. She went to school for sociology and early childhood development, but hasn't been able to use it (no one told her that without a masters in that field, it's pretty much useless for finding jobs). I gained a lot of confidence at staples because I was finally doing something I was good at. But I needed more money, so I move to a call center company, taking calls full time for nike at 12/hr. I worked there for a little less than a year, and in that time moved into apps and devices for nike, and I got my A+ certificate. I have now been working for lowes for a few months now and love it. I make 15/hr, which is ok, but this is after working my way up for the last 6 years to get here. And even with this pay amount, my wife has to keep working due to the amount of debt I caused us working in factory jobs and losing jobs over the years. I don't mean this to be a sob story, but if I can prevent other people from having this happen, i'll take the judgement happily. 

Insanity is not the absence of sanity, but the willingness to ignore it for a purpose. Chaos is the result of this choice. I relish in both.

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