Google turning evil? Removes majority of "Don't be evil" from their CoC

[LukaH]

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[SansVarnic]

 Makes me think of this.

[Notional]

5 hours ago, Deus Voltage said:

Corroborate: reliable source.

 

Do you have actual evidence of self professed Marxists in Google? Do you know what Marxism is? Have you read Das Kapital? Are you familiar with the philosophical and economical nuances of late modernist theories?

 

Neo Marxisme is not marxism, nor does it have anything to do with Das Kapital. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism#Neo-Marxist_feminist_theory

[maartendc]

This, plus their military AI development...

 

I know how this ends. I played Horizon: Zero Dawn on PS4.

 

Spoiler: it doesnt end well.

[Deus Voltage]

2 hours ago, Notional said:

Neo Marxisme is not marxism, nor does it have anything to do with Das Kapital. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism#Neo-Marxist_feminist_theory

My question was pretty straightforward, do you have evidence of Google employees claiming to be Marxist, neo Marxist, or whatever scary term people like to use nowadays?

 

Why evade the question by trying to change the topic? It is either a yes or no.  

 

Edit: and referencing Wikipedia does not really help your case. I await a more serious response. 

[ouroesa]

Skynet (Google) vs Tony Stark (Elon Musk) coming to a town near you!

[Notional]

2 hours ago, Deus Voltage said:

My question was pretty straightforward, do you have evidence of Google employees claiming to be Marxist, neo Marxist, or whatever scary term people like to use nowadays?

 

Why evade the question by trying to change the topic? It is either a yes or no.  

 

Edit: and referencing Wikipedia does not really help your case. I await a more serious response. 

Yes, the damore case clearly proves their modus operandi.

[Deus Voltage]

29 minutes ago, Notional said:

Yes, the damore case clearly proves their modus operandi.

Circling back to that story again? I said corroborated information, credible sources. I don't see any self professed "neo Marxist" or whatever word you think is scary to use nowadays. And even if there were, so what? Is that a problem? Treat people by how effective, principled and consistent they are,the rest is secondary. 

 

[Notional]

Just now, Deus Voltage said:

Circling back to that story again? I said corroborated information, credible sources. I don't see any self professed "neo Marxist" or whatever word you think is scary to use nowadays. And even if there were, so what? Is that a problem? Treat people by how effective, principled and consistent they are,the rest is secondary. 

 

With all due respect, you don't even know what neo marxism/intersectional feminism is. I don't blame you though. It's difficult to explain and understand such an over reaching ideology. But it's utter nonsense to demand sources of people identifying as such. You can see it on behaviour alone. A behaviour warrenting a massive law suits with many accusers now (Damore case). If you don't want to spend the time looking into this and understanding it, well I don't blame you really. But that doesn't make me wrong. It just makes you ignorant.

[Deus Voltage]

8 minutes ago, Notional said:

With all due respect, you don't even know what neo marxism/intersectional feminism is. I don't blame you though. It's difficult to explain and understand such an over reaching ideology. But it's utter nonsense to demand sources of people identifying as such. You can see it on behaviour alone. A behaviour warrenting a massive law suits with many accusers now (Damore case). If you don't want to spend the time looking into this and understanding it, well I don't blame you really. But that doesn't make me wrong. It just makes you ignorant.

Oh I see how this is. So you assume that I am ignorant because I have asked you repeatedly to provide corroborated information? I am very puzzled by your behavior, particularly because I have shown no ill intent and I have not insulted you, yet you call me names? No wonder the world is so divided. The spectrum of discussion is too limited to have any fruitful conversation. 

 

Edit: "you can see it on behaviour alone": that is a very dangerous statement to make, I hope you realize what you have just stated.

[Gikero]

22 hours ago, Enderman said:

Maybe skynet is not such a bad thing 

Ever read Daemon and FreedomTM by Daneil Suarez?

[Thaldor]

Don't know how much this is "news" anymore. Google has walked over that "Don't be evil"-motto a long time ago. Acctually let me show you:

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Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can...

Who remembers the times when there was no ads shown in Google search? I mean those few years back clearly labeled "Ad" hits. They came somewhere around in the middle of 00's and were debate for some time because they were not labeled as sold ads, but diggers dig and the truth unfolded, Google had started to sell ad space on their search results. Was it unbiased as Googles own motto said they were oblicated to deliver, of course not. But this is only the tip, let's take a better look at that citate:

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Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can.

Law to common language translation: "We will monitor what you do, where you do and when you do and we will offer our products and our parterns products to you as we see you need them"

They basicly have had the whole time, in their CoC, paragraph that at the same time makes it sound like they are the good guys and give them freedom to prefer their products over the competition. But this is just normal corporation BS. The money must come from somewhere and everybody who were even a little tech savvy when Google started knew that the "Don't be evil" was more or less something of a advertisement for how the new deodorant will make you instantly desirable. While Yahoo, AltaVista and others made their money by offering ads on their front page, what at the same time made Google the best was, in hindisight, a sign what was really going on.

 

And don't take me wrong. I'm more than okay with what Google is doing, because the money must come from somewhere, would be really stupid to think otherwise, and offering free services and products to masses really doesn't sound like something that would be very profitable in the long run.

[ARikozuM]

For me, they were evil the moment they started censoring videos on YouTube and websites. 

[W-L]

Keep topic of discussion related to the topic at hand.

 

 

-Thread Cleaned- 

[Notional]

2 minutes ago, Deus Voltage said:

Notice how I specifically used your own terminology, "neo marxism", and not the term "ideological bubble". I am doing academic research at this very moment about social media and ideological bubbles using Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing consent and David Corn's insights from his debates in Brown University, so I know a thing or two about ideological bubbles on the web. 

 

And if the sources I shared with you are not enough, then I think we are done here. You seem to be bent on dismissing evidence from established journalistic sources and only taking the side of Damore. 

If you are studying in this field, the ideological bias of media from the journalists, should be fundamental in your research. Bias is always important when doing research, right? In fact all research papers have a bias section. Journalistic articles do not, sadly. The problem with your sources (that has been deleted), is that they misrepresent Damore and what he actually wrote in the memo. That is not just bad journalism, but bias driven journalism. As an academic, you must understand the problems with that?

 

Either way, if you want to call them neo marxists or something else, is kinda irrelevant in the end. Authoritarian ideology has taken foothold in Google, and their actions reflects that.

[Deus Voltage]

1 minute ago, Notional said:

If you are studying in this field, the ideological bias of media from the journalists, should be fundamental in your research. Bias is always important when doing research, right? In fact all research papers have a bias section. Journalistic articles do not, sadly. The problem with your sources (that has been deleted), is that they misrepresent Damore and what he actually wrote in the memo. That is not just bad journalism, but bias driven journalism. As an academic, you must understand the problems with that?

 

Either way, if you want to call them neo marxists or something else, is kinda irrelevant in the end. Authoritarian ideology has taken foothold in Google, and their actions reflects that.

Out of respect for the moderators (and the site), I will not digress from the topic any further.

 

As to Google behaving in an authoritarian like manner, then yes I very much agree with that statement (but not in the manner you have described earlier, there are better cases to be made against Google than your previous arguments. Military contracts for example as well as the blurring of lines between state and corporate influence)

 

Peace. 

[ScratchCat]

17 hours ago, maartendc said:

This, plus their military AI development...

 

I know how this ends. I played Horizon: Zero Dawn on PS4.

 

Spoiler: it doesnt end well.

Time to search for the Cheat Codes of Life^TM (microtransaction item - only 2000 small purchases of $1) and console commands...

[spartaman64]

On 5/21/2018 at 5:54 PM, Enderman said:

Are you aware of what a CoC is or how it works?

 

If someone takes them to court because "they did X and this is evil and it affected me in some way" and it says in their CoC to "not be evil" then they would have to pay money.

Just like the terms and conditions of a product.

i dont think thats how it works. if you pitch that to any judge or attorney they will laugh you out of the room. 

maybe they removed it to make the CoC more serious but i dont think they were worried about legal issues

[Enderman]

3 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

i dont think thats how it works. if you pitch that to any judge or attorney they will laugh you out of the room. 

maybe they removed it to make the CoC more serious but i dont think they were worried about legal issues

You would be surprised at the BS that gets taken to court sometimes.

You would also be surprised at the BS that wins lawsuits.

A good lawyer is all you need.

[darknessblade]

google also promised in the beginning that they WILL NEVER SERVE ADS to users.

but they broke this promise. so the other ones should follow soon

[Lethal Seraph]

'Don't be evil' conduct is useless since it only follows where the money is.