Console vs PC

[Blasteque]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

I agree to most of that, but you have to admit the article you cited was written as damage control to the value that was the Xbox One X.

 

I'm neutral, I own, well everything lol. My only goal is that each platform is seen for what it is, not what the rumors say it is. 

Probably (I didn't read it, it was merely the top of the google search); I know it's been debated to death.

 

"My only goal is that each platform is seen for what it is" -- Dam straight!  And that was my point as well.  PCs and consoles are not equivalent or even completely interchangeable.  There is some overlap (namely, gaming), but how they go about that is very different.  For someone who already owns a PC, PC peripherals, and PC games, then upgrading is going to be the better option (if possible).  For someone who does not have an existing investment in either (or is horribly obsolete), then the decision is more nuanced than simply "which is better?".

[xXxAdamxXx]

42 minutes ago, App4that said:

Exactly. Why a console requires less CPU. No one would argue current consoles aren't CPU limited, it's just not as bad as it's made out to be.

It mostly depends on what the point of the chipset is, there are workstation configurations that are awful at gaming but godly for other computational purposes. In regards to the very simple process of running a video game then console CPU's with custom API's will always have a lower minimum requirement but still not have nearly as high a ceiling as a general purpose CPU. You also have custom chipsets with purpose-built processing in which virtualization will never be as good, but the advantage of the latter is not having to have a chip for a single application (obviously not a concern with consoles).

[Drak3]

3 hours ago, Paddi01 said:

Which PC CPU is equivalent to the PS4 8 core jaguar in terms of performance? Can anyone guess?

Any i5, and higher end i3 SKUs Haswell or newer.

[Sauron]

3 hours ago, xXxAdamxXx said:

Any overclocked quad-core CPU from this decade is better than a Jaguar CPU.

Remember that the consoles actually use all 8 cores...

[Overclock Gamer]

9 hours ago, Ques2.0 said:

i only have a budget of $150 for  a gpu

Then gtx 1050 , better than Rx 560 

 

9 hours ago, App4that said:

List a build for 500 dollars using new parts that even matches a Xbox One X.

 

Let's see it.

Unless used parts ,new parts at 500 dollars won't be able to match the Xbox one X hardware at same price

 

9 hours ago, Some Random Member said:

I agree on the xbox 1 x . That is pretty good value, as it has the rx 480 in it, can't beat that. But the OP is on a tight budget, so he can't get that.

So in his case it would be more logical to get a good gpu, instead of paying for a console.

 

Unless he get a gtx 980ti used around same price as brand new Rx 480 , it will be possible to build a pc to match the Xbox one X at same price

 

3 hours ago, Sauron said:

Remember that the consoles actually use all 8 cores...

U forgot it runs at 2 GHz Max , pentium g4560 is a much better CPU cos it handle destiny 2 at 60 FPS whiles the console runs it at 30 FPS cos of CPU bottleneck 

 

9 hours ago, Some Random Member said:

Well a rx 560 isn't that bad of an experience, still a more powerful gpu than whats in the console. So 1080p medium is very doable.

Will recommend gtx 1050 over Rx 560 cos of driver overhead

 

9 hours ago, Paddi01 said:

Which PC CPU is equivalent to the PS4 8 core jaguar in terms of performance? Can anyone guess?

Will recommend pentium g4560 for new build or i5 2500 for a used build

[Sauron]

8 minutes ago, Overclock Gamer said:

U forgot it runs at 2 GHz Max , pentium g4560 is a much better CPU cos it handle destiny 2 at 60 FPS whiles the console runs it at 30 FPS cos of CPU bottleneck 

frequency is just one parameter, I guarantee you overall jaguar is faster than a 4560

[xriqn]

Flame war alert.

[Overclock Gamer]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

frequency is just one parameter, I guarantee you overall jaguar is faster than a 4560

Really so why the Xbox one X with the Powerful CPU can't keep up at 30 FPS lock with games like player unknown battleground whiles the pentium g4560  is able to handle all these games at smooth 30 FPS lock 

[Sauron]

12 minutes ago, Overclock Gamer said:

Really so why the Xbox one X with the Powerful CPU can't keep up at 30 FPS lock with games like player unknown battleground whiles the pentium g4560  is able to handle all these games at smooth 30 FPS lock 

because 1) pubg is a broken mess and 2) the gpu also matters...

[Overclock Gamer]

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

because 1) pubg is a broken mess and 2) the gpu also matters...

If pubg is a mess ,what about assassin's creed origin and other CPU demanding games the X box one X can't keep I lock FPS even at 30 cos of the CPU 

[Sauron]

Just now, Overclock Gamer said:

If pubg is a mess ,what about assassin's creed origin and other CPU demanding games the X box one X can't keep I lock FPS even at 30 cos of the CPU 

The. Gpu. Matters. It matters much more than the cpu when you're below 60 fps.

[Ithanul]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Remember that the consoles actually use all 8 cores...

That depends though, not all cores are used for the games.  Not sure on the exact specifics off the top of my head, but some are used for the OS and others to handle apps that can run along with a game in session.  Probably varies a between the Xbox One and PS4.

[Overclock Gamer]

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

The. Gpu. Matters. It matters much more than the cpu when you're below 60 fps.

The Xbox one X has a 6 teraflops GPU , the gpu has more power to run the game at smooth 30  FPS , assassin's creed origin drop frame below 30 FPS even at 1080p with Xbox one X , so the frame drop is cause by the CPU not the gpu cos a 6 teraflops gpu , if 6 teraflops gpu can't deliver 30 FPS lock at 1080p then I have nothing else to say .

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

The. Gpu. Matters. It matters much more than the cpu when you're below 60 fps.

U must  know that CPU counts a lot when gaming a higher FPS 

[kelvinhall05]

I'll put it this way: if I could easily put whatever OS I want on a console, have native keyboard and mouse support, and not have to pay for online, I'd probably buy one even in a regular market for PC parts.

 

But in this market? No. I'd go for a system using used parts.

[Sauron]

2 hours ago, Overclock Gamer said:

The Xbox one X has a 6 teraflops GPU , the gpu has more power to run the game at smooth 30  FPS , assassin's creed origin drop frame below 30 FPS even at 1080p with Xbox one X , so the frame drop is cause by the CPU not the gpu cos a 6 teraflops gpu , if 6 teraflops gpu can't deliver 30 FPS lock at 1080p then I have nothing else to say .

That's because ubisoft prefers to bump up graphics settings instead of the framerate. That has always been a common practice on consoles. You're making comparisons that don't make sense, taking single figures out of context and using them to compare performance under different situations. That's not how it works. If FLOPS are the metric you base yourself on, be aware that the pentium sits at about 112 gflop whereas the jaguar chip is estimated to be around 140.

 

2 hours ago, Ithanul said:

That depends though, not all cores are used for the games.  Not sure on the exact specifics off the top of my head, but some are used for the OS and others to handle apps that can run along with a game in session.  Probably varies a between the Xbox One and PS4.

That's a given, but the same goes for a pc... and windows definitely uses more resources than whatever a ps4 is running.

2 hours ago, Overclock Gamer said:

U must  know that CPU counts a lot when gaming a higher FPS 

and 30 fps is "higher fps" for you?

[Ithanul]

Just now, Sauron said:

That's a given, but the same goes for a pc... and windows definitely uses more resources than whatever a ps4 is running.

Most case with any machine running an OS.

 

I don't use Windows on my machines though.  Long since went away from it as the daily OS.

 

Anyway, consoles and PCs will each have their pros and cons.  It is up to the individual which machine/s meet their needs based on their usage and requirements.  At the end, it is up to the user if the hardware meets their needs by their viewpoint.

[Paddi01]

I wouldn't have thought that i would cause a PC - Console war with this question.

[Overclock Gamer]

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

That's a given, but the same goes for a pc... and windows definitely uses more resources than whatever a ps4 is running.

and 30 fps is "higher fps" for you?

Is higher for the console in most cpu demanding games so 30 FPS is a high FPS for console cos some games it can't deliver it smoothly and games that it can , it runs it with a help of checker boarding  and dynamic resolution scale 

 

2 hours ago, Paddi01 said:

I wouldn't have thought that i would cause a PC - Console war with this question.

 pc is way better especially if u build with used parts , u can save cash and get same performances as the console at same price 

 

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

That's because ubisoft prefers to bump up graphics settings instead of the framerate. That has always been a common practice on consoles. You're making comparisons that don't make sense, taking single figures out of context and using them to compare performance under different situations. That's not how it works. If FLOPS are the metric you base yourself on, be aware that the pentium sits at about 112 gflop whereas the jaguar chip is estimated to be around 140.

If the jaguar chip is 140 compare to 120 why can't it keep up with the Pentium g4560 when I comes to CPU demanding games and games which aren't CPU demanding like destiny 2 but still can't deliver 60 FPS whiles the Pentium g4560 can even with a slow gpu than what's inside the console  . On paper benchmark aren't always right 

 

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

That's because ubisoft prefers to bump up graphics settings instead of the framerate. That has always been a common practice on consoles. You're making comparisons that don't make sense, taking single figures out of context and using them to compare performance under different situations. That's not how it works. If FLOPS are the metric you base yourself on, be aware that the pentium sits at about 112 gflop whereas the jaguar chip is estimated to be around 140.

Taking about graphics settings the Xbox one X run origin at pc high settings with dynamic resolution upto 1800p at 30fps lock , similar gpu like gtx 1060 runs it at 1800p at high settings at 30 FPS lock without dynamic resolution with a Pentium g4560 . technically  gtx 1060 is slower than the Xbox one X gpu but is able to keep a lock 30 FPS without dropping Frames whiles the Powerful Xbox one X with the fastest GPU can't keep lock 30 FPS at same graphics settings and same  1800p resolution  cos of the slower jaguar CPU in the console .

[Ithanul]

49 minutes ago, Paddi01 said:

I wouldn't have thought that i would cause a PC - Console war with this question.

It is not surprising on such boards.  Its a niche community of DIY PC builders.  What else is their to expect at times?

 

1 minute ago, Sierra Fox said:

Tthe whole PCMR is the stupidest thing that ever spawned out of a joke, Yahtzee regrets the creation of it and wanted to rename to: "PC gaming dick slurp".

So much agree. It started off as a funny meme, now though...ugh.

[Canada EH]

2 hours ago, Overclock Gamer said:

 pc is way better especially if u build with used parts , u can save cash and get same performances as the console at same price 

you can get a better gaming experience with pc gaming for much cheaper then console

I have both

10 pc's

All the PS

All the XBox

Wii

Game Boy

Segas

Nintendos

Ataris

Magnavox Odyssey

 

Plus countless cash on games games games games games games

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

you can get a better gaming experience with pc gaming for much cheaper then console

Not anymore.

[Cole5]

You can get a XBox 3670 with its catalog of games (I Reccomend Borderlands 1 2 and TPS, and RAGE) For about 90 bucks, or get a pre owned Xbox 1 launch for 140, with a lot of 360 games being backwards compatible 

 

1 hour ago, Sierra Fox said:

Here's a novel concept. who care what other people want to play on? if someone wants to play console let them, don't tell them they are stupid when they can get a PC that's better for the same price (or used that's equivalent at a lower price).

 

There is nothing wrong with consoles, there is clearly a market for them, just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they are useless wastes of money. the whole PCMR is the stupidest thing that ever spawned out of a joke, Yahtzee regrets the creation of it and wanted to rename to: "PC gaming dick slurp".

Why am i not suprised Yatzee created that

[Shreyas1]

why are there so many PC vs Console threads now? Lol

[xXxAdamxXx]

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

Remember that the consoles actually use all 8 cores...

I mean, two modules of 4 underclocked cores, it's a slower version of the A10 which you can build a budget PC around, at best the custom API is spreading tasks out to make up for the lack of CPU power.

 

Also games aren't really the go-to piece of software for parallel processing, most of the time the CPU is just telling the GPU what to fetch.

[Mira Yurizaki]

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

Remember that the consoles actually use all 8 cores...

You have to remember that those 8 cores are running at 2.1GHz for the PS4 Pro and 2.3 Ghz for the Xbox One X. On clock speed alone, a Core i7-7700K with a modest overclock (and MCE because why not) would match, if not beat them.

 

Then some of those cores are likely reserved for system functions. Sony only allowed six cores to be used initially on the PS4. They bumped this up to 7, but it's up in the air whether or not games after that patch use the extra core or not.

 

1 hour ago, Shreyas1 said:

why are there so many PC vs Console threads now? Lol

Because people need a reason to justify spending $1000 on something.