Console vs PC

[Ques2.0]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I mean you seem to be suffering from really low funds, I'd just buy a second hand xbox360 since games for those are cheap as fuck nowadays.

 

I mean if you want single player experience if you want to go online then yeah... stick to the PC plan but it's a shame you'll have to cut so many corners.

yeah i know i want to play online like battlefield 1

[Paddi01]

Which PC CPU is equivalent to the PS4 8 core jaguar in terms of performance? Can anyone guess?

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I mean you seem to be suffering from really low funds, I'd just buy a second hand xbox360 since games for those are cheap as fuck nowadays.

 

I mean if you want single player experience if you want to go online then yeah... stick to the PC plan but it's a shame you'll have to cut so many corners.

Well a rx 560 isn't that bad of an experience, still a more powerful gpu than whats in the console. So 1080p medium is very doable.

 

9 hours ago, Ques2.0 said:

yeah i know i want to play online like battlefield 1

then get a rx 560. 

[Ques2.0]

3 minutes ago, Some Random Member said:

Well a rx 560 isn't that bad of an experience, still a more powerful gpu than whats in the console. So 1080p medium is very doable.

i have a 1080p ASUS monitor so the rx 560 would be fine ?

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Paddi01 said:

Which PC CPU is equivalent to the PS4 8 core jaguar in terms of performance? Can anyone guess?

That's a tough question because there isn't one. The 8 core jaguar in the modern consoles don't have Windows to worry about, and are heavily optimized for. 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Some Random Member said:

Well a rx 560 isn't that bad of an experience, still a more powerful gpu than whats in the console. So 1080p medium is very doable.

The thing is if you're so short on money I really don't see the older gen xbox360 as a bad call at all, sure you'll be playing the main titles like GTA V at 720p30fps but that can still work out for a great fun experience and better yet a Cheap fun experience.

 

I haven't always had my great paying job to build PCs, back on college days all I had was an useless cheapo i3 2168u laptop and a x360 and boy I made use of that x360.

[Paddi01]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

That's a tough question because there isn't one. The 8 core jaguar in the modern consoles don't have Windows to worry about, and are heavily optimized for. 

Yeah, i know that. I just asked from a curiosity standpoint .

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Paddi01 said:

Yeah, i know that. I just asked from a curiosity standpoint .

Probably like an i3 7300 in raw gaming performance

[App4that]

Just now, Paddi01 said:

Yeah, i know that. I just asked from a curiosity standpoint .

One of the biggest advantages console has, is developers know each PS4 is the same and can write for only it. PC has to use brute force to run games, while dragging Windows behind it 

[EPENEX]

I console game, the games cost more and you have to pay for online, but I find it a better experience.

[Paddi01]

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

One of the biggest advantages console has, is developers know each PS4 is the same and can write for only it. PC has to use brute force to run games, while dragging Windows behind it 

This in turns means that they get utilized by 100% at every game right?

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Paddi01 said:

This in turns means that they get utilized by 100% at every game right?

Depends on the title but that's the goal. Why Xbox usually has better fps as the CPU in the Xbox Ones run at a higher clock speed than their PS4 counterparts. 

 

Though developers are getting better at making different versions of each game for them in multi platform titles.

[Blasteque]

19 minutes ago, App4that said:

List a build for 500 dollars using new parts that even matches a Xbox One X.

 

Let's see it.

I knew this would happen and that's why I said "similar-ish".  There's no need to get bent out of shape, this debate has happened many of times already (I'm not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine).  You can google search for "$500 gaming pc 2018" and there will be things that will be close, better in some ways, worse in others.  Personally, I think you'd need about $700 to be clearly superior (last year you could do it for $700: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3200767/gaming/xbox-one-x-pc-build.html ), but in my mind that is a similar in price; some people aren't going to think so, I get that. 

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, Blasteque said:

I knew this would happen and that's why I said "similar-ish".  There's no need to get bent out of shape, this debate has happened many of times already (I'm not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine).  You can google search for "$500 gaming pc 2018" and there will be things that will be close, better in some ways, worse in others.  Personally, I think you'd need about $700 to be clearly superior (last year you could do it for $700: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3200767/gaming/xbox-one-x-pc-build.html ), but in my mind that is a similar in price; some people aren't going to think so, I get that. 

Not bent out of shape, other than being tired of the fallacy being in play.

 

That build has no controller (60 bucks for the one that comes with a One X), and no Ultra HD Blueray drive. It's still 200 bucks more than a One X.

[Fyre]

I personally like PC's better because 

1. Tons and Tons of games

2. Good accessibility and support for 3rd party services like discord and game mods.

3. Can perform better for lower prices

4. No online service subscriptions

5. Barely and input lag (Big preference for me)

 

 

This is just me, but I mainly game on PC, and when I play on a console the input lag is a big interruption to my game, so going from one platform to another, the can generally be a learning curve due to the input lag.

[Blasteque]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Not bent out of shape, other than being tired of the fallacy being in play.

 

That build has no controller (60 bucks for the one that comes with a One X), and no Ultra HD Blueray drive. It's still 200 bucks more than a One X.

There are fallacies on both sides; I think we can both acknowledge that.  I know I use my computer for more than just gaming (CAD), so from my perspective, a console is simply out of the question.  Everyone has different priorities and needs. Everyone has a different view on money as well; as I indicated, for me a $200 difference is minor.

 

I think the bigger issue isn't "fallacies" necessary, but more over simplifications.  We tend to try to reduce a debate down to a simple question: "which is better?"  Instead of responding back with, "what are you wanting to do?" we instead jump into one camp or another.  The question is really far more complicated.  Do you already have computer hardware?  Do you already have a 4k TV?  What else do you use your PC for?  Are there console exclusives you like?  Titles you already own?  Etc.

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, Blasteque said:

There are fallacies on both sides; I think we can both acknowledge that.  I know I use my computer for more than just gaming (CAD), so from my perspective, a console is simply out of the question.  Everyone has different priorities and needs. Everyone has a different view on money as well; as I indicated, for me a $200 difference is minor.

 

I think the bigger issue isn't "fallacies" necessary, but more over simplifications.  We tend to try to reduce a debate down to a simple question: "which is better?"  Instead of responding back with, "what are you wanting to do?" we instead jump into one camp or another.  The question is really far more complicated.  Do you already have computer hardware?  Do you already have a 4k TV?  What else do you use your PC for?  Are there console exclusives you like?  Titles you already own?  Etc.

I agree to most of that, but you have to admit the article you cited was written as damage control to the value that was the Xbox One X.

 

I'm neutral, I own, well everything lol. My only goal is that each platform is seen for what it is, not what the rumors say it is. 

[xXxAdamxXx]

Sure whatever, I have a PS4 Pro for playstation exclusives and netflix. It's not a replacement for PC though and the game selection will always be limited on console, also expect weird stuff like having to pay an online fee (which I don't do) on top of paying for internet, controllers that cost as much as a game and for sales to generally suck. If you get bored you can always come back to PC and all your games will work even better in the future.

[Sauron]

Yes, but consider that you'll probably still need at least one pc in your house and upgrading that with a graphics card is probably still cheaper than buying a console.

 

9 hours ago, Paddi01 said:

Which PC CPU is equivalent to the PS4 8 core jaguar in terms of performance? Can anyone guess?

Any ryzen or coffee lake chip will be faster.

[Majinhoju]

There's obviously no one size fits all answer here.  Depends on what you already have, what you want to play and what sort of convenience you're looking for.

Consoles still win in convenience and ease.  A non tech savy user who doesn't really care about the highest graphical settings or highest fps will lean towards the consoles every time.

[xXxAdamxXx]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Any ryzen or coffee lake chip will be faster.

Any overclocked quad-core CPU from this decade is better than a Jaguar CPU.

[App4that]

Just now, xXxAdamxXx said:

Any overclocked quad-core CPU from this decade is better than a Jaguar CPU.

When looking at a PC application, not in a console application. Muddies the water. 

[Yoinkerman]

Idk gtx 1050s and stuff aren't any more expensive and they're a large volume card so pc gaming is still great to get into

[xXxAdamxXx]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

When looking at a PC application, not in a console application. Muddies the water. 

The applications themselves are just running through an API, the difference is layers of abstraction and console API's being designed around one chipset.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, xXxAdamxXx said:

The applications themselves are just running through an API, the difference is layers of abstraction and console API's being designed around one chipset.

Exactly. Why a console requires less CPU. No one would argue current consoles aren't CPU limited, it's just not as bad as it's made out to be.