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[vetali]

2 hours ago, Bitter said:

The earlier VVT 5.4's had the same oil pump/poor oil pressure issues that carried over from the 4.6 and if there's one thing that'll ruin a VVT system it's low oil pressure. Root cause I believe was the pump back plate bowing and leaking, I haven't had to delve into them in ages. For a time the recommendation was oil pump with chain job with phasers and solenoids. Later oil pumps tightened up tolerances and seem to be less problematic. Phasers have gotten better too. Like any modern engine OIL OIL OIL use good oil and change it on a schedule earlier than they say. Good synthetic with a good filter every 5-6K miles!

 

Part of the GM issues are shitty oil, but also their shitty design. They came out with that whole Dexos oil spec with extra anti-frothing additives to try to prevent mis-timed cylinder deactivation events from entrained air in the oil causing slow apply or slow release and absolutely slapping the shit out of the cam and lifter as a result. Every GM V8 with an AFM problem also has a maintenance problem. Not saying it doesn't happen to well maintained engines, I know it does, but poor maintenance makes it a guaranteed failure.

 

There's no perfect engine anyway, they all have their issues. The non AFM LS's piss oil from that rear seal plate and the oil galley plug bleeds off oil pressure and mixes dirty oil in with the clean.

iirc the big flaw was placing the phasers on the last circuit to get oil pressure. I dunno if thats still an issue. At this point most those trucks have rotted away.

 

Actually thinking about it, its a bad time to be a modern pushrod fanboy. It seems like suppliers for lifters are really slacking. Hemis, current gen 5.3, 7.3 godzilla all have lifter/cam issues. The godzilla 7.3 is a pretty impressive engine but I still think I'd go for the 6.7 if getting a full size. I have no idea about current gen dirtymax reliability.

[Bitter]

1 hour ago, vetali said:

iirc the big flaw was placing the phasers on the last circuit to get oil pressure. I dunno if thats still an issue. At this point most those trucks have rotted away.

 

Actually thinking about it, its a bad time to be a modern pushrod fanboy. It seems like suppliers for lifters are really slacking. Hemis, current gen 5.3, 7.3 godzilla all have lifter/cam issues. The godzilla 7.3 is a pretty impressive engine but I still think I'd go for the 6.7 if getting a full size. I have no idea about current gen dirtymax reliability.

Hemi lifter issues aren't even new though, that's going back at least a gen for those. Their issue is the rollers are splash lube more or less, the angle they sit at means very little oil gets down the bores, and there's a giant cast pipe in the block that bars splash from the crank below the cam. If the engine is idling those cam lobes aren't seeing much oil. Wouldn't have been hard to install some squirters somewhere to get oil on those parts but nah. At least they seem to have stopped dropping valve seats.

[Dillpickle23422]

7 hours ago, Bitter said:

Hemi lifter issues aren't even new though, that's going back at least a gen for those. Their issue is the rollers are splash lube more or less, the angle they sit at means very little oil gets down the bores, and there's a giant cast pipe in the block that bars splash from the crank below the cam. If the engine is idling those cam lobes aren't seeing much oil. Wouldn't have been hard to install some squirters somewhere to get oil on those parts but nah. At least they seem to have stopped dropping valve seats.

It's a chrysler product. Why change it if it still sorta works? We've got like 15 ram trucks at work from 2012 to 2024, and damn have the engines changed very little.

Also, on a random note, it's super weird to think that ram made 5500 trucks with the 6.4 hemi in it. I guess technically the gassers have higher payload, but that motor struggles with a lot of weight. Had 9 yards of 1-2in stone in one, and it couldn't make it up hills very well, it was floored going 11 mph.

[Bitter]

14 minutes ago, Dillpickle23422 said:

It's a chrysler product. Why change it if it still sorta works? We've got like 15 ram trucks at work from 2012 to 2024, and damn have the engines changed very little.

Also, on a random note, it's super weird to think that ram made 5500 trucks with the 6.4 hemi in it. I guess technically the gassers have higher payload, but that motor struggles with a lot of weight. Had 9 yards of 1-2in stone in one, and it couldn't make it up hills very well, it was floored going 11 mph.

Ford would sell you a stripped chassis E450 or E550 with a 5.4 on it! I've seen V6 4.3 G2500 vans. Fleet sales are WILD the combos they'll sell.

I will say, that 4.3 2500 can had a wicked short gear. Empty it was surprisingly perky off the line!

[vetali]

8 hours ago, Bitter said:

Hemi lifter issues aren't even new though, that's going back at least a gen for those. Their issue is the rollers are splash lube more or less, the angle they sit at means very little oil gets down the bores, and there's a giant cast pipe in the block that bars splash from the crank below the cam. If the engine is idling those cam lobes aren't seeing much oil. Wouldn't have been hard to install some squirters somewhere to get oil on those parts but nah. At least they seem to have stopped dropping valve seats.

Yep. Its pretty clear that they don't give a shit. Should've been revised years ago.

[Dillpickle23422]

1 hour ago, Bitter said:

Ford would sell you a stripped chassis E450 or E550 with a 5.4 on it! I've seen V6 4.3 G2500 vans. Fleet sales are WILD the combos they'll sell.

I will say, that 4.3 2500 can had a wicked short gear. Empty it was surprisingly perky off the line!

Yeah it's crazy. Would you like a 12 foot chassis for a dump bed and also the least powerful motor and trans combo? Sure, we can sell it, and we'll rate it with a payload capacity of like 5 tons too. It'll be slow as balls but in theory they CAN move that much, just not fun, fast, or efficiently.

[Bitter]

14 minutes ago, Dillpickle23422 said:

Yeah it's crazy. Would you like a 12 foot chassis for a dump bed and also the least powerful motor and trans combo? Sure, we can sell it, and we'll rate it with a payload capacity of like 5 tons too. It'll be slow as balls but in theory they CAN move that much, just not fun, fast, or efficiently.

Rated like a aero engine for full throttle all the time cause that's how they'll run it.

[Vonrottes]

AM MEKANIC! Check engine light came on, checked that engine was still there.


Also I don't remember if I ever posted this awful attempt at a burnout in 2022.
Slow start trying to avoid the embarrassing wheel hop, 4 year old gas, miss above 3,000 rpm, power steering pump screaming because Hydoboost load, and some crap tires. putting all my weight on the brake pedal and it still pushed though the stock brake setup

 

Now that I've got proper front brakes and a spare set of burnout wheels/tires I need to get a new video.. Maybe I can talk someone into recording a burnout at the "Hardcore S10 takeover" in June.

[Beerzerker]

On 4/23/2024 at 9:21 AM, Vonrottes said:

I'm pretty sure my girlfriend's 1.4t Cruze could smoke a 4 cylinder Altima, they are supposed be a V6 car no matter how awful a VQ sounds once the cat has been cut off to pay rent with that big Altima energy

 

I say this in the S10 groups on Facebook almost everyday... Every engine in the S10 is perfectly adequate. Iron duke, 2.8 and 4.3, they are at the end of the day light duty trucks and if you use them as such are perfectly adequate trucks.

 

Mine at this point is literally just a 2wd Syclone, I don't get to be fast off the line, making like about 300hp at the crank and no traction control like the G8 had if it doesn't spin into 3rd gear the wheel hop will knock your teeth out...since split mono leaf springs and caltracs bars haven't really been a priority, though the "big tires" and torsen diff has helped a lot with traction.. 

 

I'm in an S10 group on FB myself.

Did you happen to see the vid where a guy made their own home-brewed Syclone, using the drivetrain from an AWD Astro van?
I can't recall if they swapped the body off and onto the Astro frame or not but they did have to use the drivetrain from it and combined it with a turbocharger on the engine.
They were making really good power after some tuning; in fact results close to, if not the same as a Syclone once it was right.

Yeah, I'm not modding mine even though I could, and a 350 would be a literal drop-in while still using the rest of the drivetrain that's in it now.
However I've owned a V8 S10 before and while it was nice, it's also not what I really want these days so the old 4.3 will do because it has all along.

[Vonrottes]

22 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

I'm in an S10 group on FB myself.

Did you happen to see the vid where a guy made their own home-brewed Syclone, using the drivetrain from an AWD Astro van?
I can't recall if they swapped the body off and onto the Astro frame or not but they did have to use the drivetrain from it and combined it with a turbocharger on the engine.
They were making really good power after some tuning; in fact results close to, if not the same as a Syclone once it was right.

Yeah, I'm not modding mine even though I could, and a 350 would be a literal drop-in while still using the rest of the drivetrain that's in it now.
However I've owned a V8 S10 before and while it was nice, it's also not what I really want these days so the old 4.3 will do because it has all along.

Hardcore S10 and S10 Nation are the S10 groups that matter, OG mintruckers basically run those two groups.

 

Tony Angelo and his Sikeclone it's a fun build, the entirety of the sy/ty group kinda called him out with that stock block and eBay turbo not holding up... And he's already cooked it twice. There's a reason the sy/ty guys run bowtie and aftermarket blocks when they want to make real power... Another prime example of a 4.3 not holding power is the Psycho-syclone... Which I got to see in person at Carlisle in 2019, friend even got to drive it... Crappy video..

 

 

But Since Tony Angelo is in central PA I mentioned on one of the videos they should bring it out to the Carlisle truck nationals in August... Promptly got a "maybe" responses.

 

 

I wouldn't even think about a old school SBC swap, not enough gained for the amount of work. LS swap gained modern diagnostics, potential power and 28mpg on the highway, plus it's way easier to work on the whole OBD2 thing helps a lot.. plug it in and it pops up at a 2002 Tahoe.

Drives like a stock S10 but push the pedal a little more and it will push you firmly into the seats. No one even knows I have a V8 until I pop the hood or punch it

[Motifator]

Sure as hell sounds a lot more compensated than your V8... I can tell it right off the video, lol...

and it's not like this vehicle's stock engine was trash or anything regarding speed, could have probably swapped the turbos and that would have rocked and rolled.

Maybe you should focus on... uh, nevermind. Keep up with the cool aid that American is the only good!!

[Bitter]

Customer states: Naw I know it's just "the sensor" cause "the guy" plugged in "the computer" and told me so.

[Beerzerker]

18 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Customer states: Naw I know it's just "the sensor" cause "the guy" plugged in "the computer" and told me so.

That's kinda like the guy that told my wife the stereo she wanted installed was "Bad" because it was popping fuses right after the install.

What happened was the installer (Probrably some noob off the street - I dunno and wasn't there) let the power wire touch the unit's chassis and blew it up (Shorted it out), confirmed it with an inspection (External and internal) and my meter after she brought it home.
It was a brandnew unit I had bought and sent with her to get it done and that's what happened, I could even see traces of the burn spot on the chassis where it made contact with the power wire during the work and it blew up.

Coudn't "Prove" it and I just let it go because while all that may have been true (About the installer) I've been in the same situation myself as the guy doing the work. We all "F" up sometimes and I chalked it up as being that.
 

[RevoltTrain]

On 4/22/2024 at 9:30 AM, TVwazhere said:

Pro tip: it's not a good idea to drive with a broken spring 

 

For about.... Maybe a year 

 

 

Fucking NY pot holes and rust. 

TBF the Explorer had a broken spring for about 2 years

[Dillpickle23422]

21 hours ago, Bitter said:

Rated like a aero engine for full throttle all the time cause that's how they'll run it.

lmao why even bother with a gas pedal, they should just install throttle levers like they have with ride-on lawnmowers, since you realistically won't be in danger of going too fast

[kirashi]

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[Vonrottes]

Damn Honda parts, white didn't take for some reason and I dropped the purple one after the first flow out... So I had to strip both without an actual bucket of chemical stripper.

 

 

So EZ off over cleaner to the rescue... Stuff is nasty, I remember using it when I was like 13 to strip blue anodizing off RC chassis and chrome off the wheels.

[Vonrottes]

Got this thing done properly... not a fan of the finish myself... Prismatic Fractured Illusion blue with clear vision.

followed the cure schedule and this is what came out...

 

 

 

And my stuff.... Got the red valve covers on, did the coil brackets in Weston grey, new PCV valve and catch can installed...... and I kinda also did the intake tube in wrinkle red too..

 

soon as this engine comes out EVERYTHING small enough to fit in my oven is getting coated, Accessory brackets, AC accumulator, master cylinder... everything lol

[Bitter]

Hammered iron finish, neat.

[Vonrottes]

8 hours ago, Bitter said:

Hammered iron finish, neat.

That's exactly what it looks like.

 

[bcredeur97]

How long before someone makes a car with no windshield at all? Just a giant monitor that shows you the output of a camera/cameras. 

Then they can put whatever HUD they want on it like an overlay. 

So basically you'll drive around in a video game death trap

[vetali]

12 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

How long before someone makes a car with no windshield at all? Just a giant monitor that shows you the output of a camera/cameras. 

Then they can put whatever HUD they want on it like an overlay. 

So basically you'll drive around in a video game death trap

I believe Honda demoed or patented screen overlays on windshields. Looked pretty cool in a controlled environment. On the street I imagine its a mess with current tech.

[Vonrottes]

17 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

How long before someone makes a car with no windshield at all? Just a giant monitor that shows you the output of a camera/cameras. 

Then they can put whatever HUD they want on it like an overlay. 

So basically you'll drive around in a video game death trap

in the us? DOT is really reluctant to accept new automated tech in cars.
like how long did it take for them to approve the autodimming high beams that were already like a standard in the the EU.

But honestly I don't see that happening anytime soon, the latency between the cameras/screen would make it near impossible... a youtuber did this and it only had a few ms latency but it was enough to make the car undrivable... now a transparent display with Polymer-Dispersed Liquid Crystals dimming I could see as a possibility with full autonomous cars. 

[Bitter]

Partners new car got hailed on, hard. 2-2.25 inch stones hit it, thankfully not for very long. The chrome strip around the windows is dented hard, roof, hood, a couple dings on the A and C pillars, a couple on the front fenders, a couple on the doors where they do round over to vertical. Shockingly no broken glass, thankfully.

[AlwaysFSX]

8 hours ago, Vonrottes said:

in the us? DOT is really reluctant to accept new automated tech in cars.
like how long did it take for them to approve the autodimming high beams that were already like a standard in the the EU.

But honestly I don't see that happening anytime soon, the latency between the cameras/screen would make it near impossible... a youtuber did this and it only had a few ms latency but it was enough to make the car undrivable... now a transparent display with Polymer-Dispersed Liquid Crystals dimming I could see as a possibility with full autonomous cars. 

While I can see that happening and it also being very cool tech wise- I already don't want to spend $450 on a windshield. Let alone $14,500.