NSA still doesn't know the size of Snowden's unveiling

[joppetie]

The American intelligence services have concluded that they may possibly never determine the amount of documents that Edward Snowden has copied from the NSA's systems.

There are even rumours to give Snowden amnesty in exchange for not yet unveiled secrets.

 

According to sources quoted by The New York Times, the NSA-office where Edward Snowden worked was not equipped with the latest security software.

With that software, the NSA is able to keep a close look on all its employees. Snowden would also have hacked firewalls and used log in data from colleagues to gain access to the secret data.

 

Security experts would have researched the attack methods that Snowden had used, but they have not made an estimation on how many documents he has stolen.

As a system admin, Snowden had access to large amounts of secret data. The NSA, however, has concluded that Snowden worked alone.

 

In the NSA there are rumours to give Snowden, who lives in Russia now, amnesty in exchange for him not publishing some documents.

The question is if the government wants to do this. Until now, the United States has asked Russia for extradition of Snowden.

[eshbop]

He no doubt would have only released a small percentage of all the data he copied. The reasons why he did it make me think he's probably vacuumed up everything he could physically get access to and it's not like he would of had time to pick and choose.

[Kayn]

One man bringing a US Federal agency to their knees.

[Piggy]

Snowden is my hero. He has exposed the corrupt in this country and I hope he leaks more information about this considering how idiotic the NSA is.

[miyabwah]

Snowden is showing how America isn't the "best country". Never has been, and never will be.

[joppetie]

Snowden is showing how America isn't the "best country". Never has been, and never will be.

If there is a contestant, which there isn't, it'd be Austria or Finland IMO.

[That Norwegian Guy]

If there is a contestant, which there isn't, it'd be Austria or Finland IMO.

 

 

 

Just for reference. Human development index has always been the best measure of 'best' IMO.

[Sidiox]

 

 

Just for reference. Human development index has always been the best measure of 'best' IMO.

Netherlands!!!

I just hope he has everything backed up in the cloud and on loads of HDD's with someone else who can leak it, as I would not be surprised if he "accidentily" got hit by a car or drone. He should started leaking more stuff though, bring the NSA to their knees and then continue.

[Imaginaerum]

 

 

Just for reference. Human development index has always been the best measure of 'best' IMO.

Of course, tied with Netherlands but they're still number 3. Just joking, joking... almost.

[TopWargamer]

[joppetie]

 

 

Just for reference. Human development index has always been the best measure of 'best' IMO.

I do agree, and ultimately, I feel that The Netherlands belongs in the list, but I didn't want to be patriotic about my country. I just thought of Austria and Finland of the top of my head.

Also, I didn't have the Human development index on me and didn't feel like googling it. btw the included picture you posted says "top 10 economics", which is different from quality of life:

[ACatWithThumbs]

I do agree, and ultimately, I feel that The Netherlands belongs in the list, but I didn't want to be patriotic about my country. I just thought of Austria and Finland of the top of my head.

Also, I didn't have the Human development index on me and didn't feel like googling it. btw the included picture you posted says "top 10 economics", which is different from quality of life:

But the US has the highest avergae wage.

And the avergage person in the US has not only more money , but everything in the US is dirt cheap.

Food and Gas costs 3x more in Germany then in the US while the average German citizen only has the halph income of an US citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

[OneGun]

But they know the size of our packages!!Giggity

[juretrn]

Snowden a hero? If you are a citizen of the US and just a little bit of a patriot, you shouldn't say that. He exposed your countrys cyber espionage plans and caused a whole bunch of organisations and governments to rethink their digital vulnerabilities, some even taking such extreme steps as going back to paper documents for sensitive information.

 

Let me give you a little example: at the end of 1950s the US constructed a huge network of underwater hydrophones that were able to hear noisy Soviet subs 1000s of km away. The Soviets did not know about the importance of silence on subs, US did and held a massive advantage in that regard. Until someone in the US sold out. Then the billions of dollars, invested in that network, were suddenly practically useless. Because of 1 traitor. Same goes for Snowden.

[joppetie]

But the US has the highest avergae wage.

And the avergage person in the US has not only more money , but everything in the US is dirt cheap.

Food and Gas costs 3x more in Germany then in the US while the average German citizen only has the halph income of an US citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

While that may be true, I don't believe the average is the only thing you should focus on.

I think that we can all agree that on average, countries like The Netherlands, Germany, Austria and Norway have per 1000 people less "poor" people.

While the average in the USA might be higher, wealth is not shared as equally as in some other countries.

 

For example: If you have ten people and 9 of them have $10, and the tenth one has $1,000,000, the average is $100,009, which sounds really good, doesn't it?

But it isn't. It's just not fair and equal. In a perfect "example world", all ten people would have $100,009, but they don't.

 

USA has some of the most wealthy people in the world, but there are lots of poor people too, you can't ignore that.

[joppetie]

Snowden a hero? If you are a citizen of the US and just a little bit of a patriot, you shouldn't say that. He exposed your countrys cyber espionage plans and caused a whole bunch of organisations and governments to rethink their digital vulnerabilities, some even taking such extreme steps as going back to paper documents for sensitive information.

 

Let me give you a little example: at the end of 1950s the US constructed a huge network of underwater hydrophones that were able to hear noisy Soviet subs 1000s of km away. The Soviets did not know about the importance of silence on subs, US did and held a massive advantage in that regard. Until someone in the US sold out. Then the billions of dollars, invested in that network, were suddenly practically useless. Because of 1 traitor. Same goes for Snowden.

Just because he started all this, doesn't mean it's his fault. I believe that if he hadn't done it, it would have been worse.

Everything was already wrong before he leaked the documents. The United States government is the one who's wrong here,

Snowden only showed the world what they've done.

[rashdanml]

But the US has the highest avergae wage.

I'll be honest, I dislike comparing averages of anything. Average means jack all when 1% of the population is making $120/hr and a significant portion of the population is making $5/hr. From an average standpoint. If the outliers had a wage orders of magnitude higher, it can really skew the average to much higher values. 

 

Averages are meaningless without looking at the distribution. 

 

The US is far from a magical country where everything is awesome. You only have to spend a little time getting to know American citizens to figure that out. 

[slasher0161]

Snowden a hero? If you are a citizen of the US and just a little bit of a patriot, you shouldn't say that. He exposed your countrys cyber espionage plans and caused a whole bunch of organisations and governments to rethink their digital vulnerabilities, some even taking such extreme steps as going back to paper documents for sensitive information.

 

Let me give you a little example: at the end of 1950s the US constructed a huge network of underwater hydrophones that were able to hear noisy Soviet subs 1000s of km away. The Soviets did not know about the importance of silence on subs, US did and held a massive advantage in that regard. Until someone in the US sold out. Then the billions of dollars, invested in that network, were suddenly practically useless. Because of 1 traitor. Same goes for Snowden.

Let me put it in perspective, your wife is sleeping with another bloke and old mate bloke B who knows you finds out and tells you. Who is the tosser here, your cheating wife or the bloke who told you?

[That Norwegian Guy]

But the US has the highest avergae wage.

 

Exactly. Which means the disparity between rich and poor is larger, and this is why the Human Development Index exists, to point out how progressed a society is.

 

HDI quantizes all the big and small things that add up to quality of life for countries' citizens.

 

FYI, this is the non-equality adjusted, on the equality-adjusted HDI, USA plummets to (I believe) 28th place.

[juretrn]

Let me put it in perspective, your wife is sleeping with another bloke and old mate bloke B who knows you finds out and tells you. Who is the tosser here, your cheating wife or the bloke who told you?

I don't think your example really qualifies.

 

Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want anyone to spy on me and I think it's wrong. 

What I wanted to say is the fact that this expose hurt the US and the person who did it should not be glorified, at least not by its citizens. You only know what he tells us, but you don't know if he had any more selfish motives, not just 'the people have to know'. 

[joppetie]

Let me put it in perspective, your wife is sleeping with another bloke and old mate bloke B who knows you finds out and tells you. Who is the tosser here, your cheating wife or the bloke who told you?

The wife! She did the "bad" thing, just like the NSA. 

Let ME put it in perspective then: Either Snowden goes free and the NSA is closed.

Ór Snowden gets the death penalty and the NSA gets to go by its day.

 

What seems fair to you? I think its obvious to everyone that the NSA is wrong and that Snowden basically had to unveil the documents,

because the NSA was working in secret, so that no one could have known.

[Lukiose]

Fuck them all, I say Snowden should never go back to the USA. If he did I bet half my testicle that they'll take the documents then lock him up/kill him without anyone ever knowing.

[DLM_012]

Snowden a hero? If you are a citizen of the US and just a little bit of a patriot, you shouldn't say that. He exposed your countrys cyber espionage plans and caused a whole bunch of organisations and governments to rethink their digital vulnerabilities, some even taking such extreme steps as going back to paper documents for sensitive information.

Let me give you a little example: at the end of 1950s the US constructed a huge network of underwater hydrophones that were able to hear noisy Soviet subs 1000s of km away. The Soviets did not know about the importance of silence on subs, US did and held a massive advantage in that regard. Until someone in the US sold out. Then the billions of dollars, invested in that network, were suddenly practically useless. Because of 1 traitor. Same goes for Snowden.

A lot of the stuff leaked has been information regarding the spying on the general American population, not other countries so comparing this situation to the hydrophones is completely moot and invalid.

[Sandzsteedt]

Anyone else find it funny that now when the tables have turned and people actually run from the US of A to Russia, USA is all pissed about it?

 

Not that long ago after WWII and during Cold War the USA was giving the finger to USSR because there was many many more people leaving USSR to move to the USA. Also the lovely Americans helped many escape and welcomed their boat load of possible secrets.

 

Demanding extradition of Snowden from Russia so that they can crucify him in public.....

Now USA looks like a bully that is getting a wedgie and not liking it at all because getting a taste of their own medicine seems to suck.

[Shabtai1024]

Nearly every civilization in history has engaged in domestic surveilance.  If you think your country is different you're a fool.  The only reason these "revelations" are so shocking is because the United States originally made laws protecting individual privacy though such laws were never meant to supersede public safety.

To be perfectly frank, what did you think the NSA did? Just as the CIA's mandate is foreign intelligence the NSA's is domestic and public opinion knee-capping these organizations can only result in more death.

Mr. Snowden compromised the security protocols of the U.S., England, Israel, Canada, Australia, and Norway potentially endangering hundreds of millions of lives across the globe.  He should be tried, convicted of treason and either given the death penalty or life imprisonment.