8700K or 1800x ?

[Noboddyhere]

Hey guys,

 

I want to upgrade my PC coz I have atm a i5-4440 in my PC and I can't play any games at high or medium. With my new CPU I want to play games like OW, csgo and Witcher 3, I want to play Witcher 3 in high settings 1080P and I want to stream and render videos for yt.

 

My max. budget is 1000

[Princess Luna]

What a pretty Chole pic :3

 

i7 8700 non K (locked) is the best value if you want a high end gaming exclusive rig, it boosts all cores to 4.3ghz which already is enough to power up even the 1080 Ti with some room left...(streaming or not) the i7 8700k to overclock will require you to spend more on a higher end z370 board and spend more money on cooling (delid and all)... while the locked 8700 with a Hyper 212X already is silent and cool.

 

If you want AMD for whatever reason I'd advise waiting for the release of Ryzen+ coming in April... not like the i5 4440 can't keep up till then for a better value deal.

[IamODIN]

13 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

What a pretty Chole pic :3

 

i7 8700 non K (locked) is the best value if you want a high end gaming exclusive rig, it boosts all cores to 4.3ghz which already is enough to power up even the 1080 Ti with some room left...(streaming or not) the i7 8700k to overclock will require you to spend more on a higher end z370 board and spend more money on cooling (delid and all)... while the locked 8700 with a Hyper 212X already is silent and cool.

 

If you want AMD for whatever reason I'd advise waiting for the release of Ryzen+ coming in April... not like the i5 4440 can't keep up till then for a better value deal.

You said everything i would have said lol.

 

8700 is the way to go

[NerdModeEngaged]

29 minutes ago, Noboddyhere said:

Hey guys,

 

I want to upgrade my PC coz I have atm a i5-4440 in my PC and I can't play any games at high or medium. With my new CPU I want to play games like OW, csgo and Witcher 3, I want to play Witcher 3 in high settings 1080P and I want to stream and render videos for yt.

 

My max. budget is 1000

Neither, you should get the Ryzen 7 1700 which can be found around £250 here in the UK, you will find that stock clocks is more than enough for maxing out any game you could want and really here you are looking at the GPU being the bottleneck with these CPUs, and if stock speeds is not enough for you you could overclock the 1700 to match an overclocked 1800X, this offers excellent value and matches the £100 more expensive 8700k in multi-threaded applications which is brilliant, however performance is not the only thing that you are looking at when buying a CPU, the 1700 comes with a cooler which the 8700k does not, with this cooler you will also be able to overclock the 1700 perfectly fine, you would also then be looking at a lower power draw from the 1700 while offering the same performance as the 8700K, and you will also be looking at temperatures around 20 degrees Celsius or even less with the soldered IHS on the 1700 rather than the toothpaste thermal paste they use on the 8700K, also it seem that you would be able to make a much better upgrade path with the 1700 with AMD promising to support that platform until Zen 3 which is around 2-3 years from now whereas with the 8700k you will be looking at a maximum of one more generation before moving on to a new platform, this makes the system cheaper to upgrade in the future as you would be able to stick with the same motherboard/RAM for longer 

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

What a pretty Chole pic :3

 

i7 8700 non K (locked) is the best value if you want a high end gaming exclusive rig, it boosts all cores to 4.3ghz which already is enough to power up even the 1080 Ti with some room left...(streaming or not) the i7 8700k to overclock will require you to spend more on a higher end z370 board and spend more money on cooling (delid and all)... while the locked 8700 with a Hyper 212X already is silent and cool.

 

If you want AMD for whatever reason I'd advise waiting for the release of Ryzen+ coming in April... not like the i5 4440 can't keep up till then for a better value deal.

no, dont get the 8700. it power throttles after 80 seconds because of its 65 watt tdp. it severely holds the chip back

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, Nickathom said:

no, dont get the 8700. it power throttles after 80 seconds because of its 65 watt tdp. it severely holds the chip back

The amount of wrongness in what you have wrote is so high I can't tell if you are trolling or just genuinely understand nothing about CPUs

[just_dave]

R7 2700X

[Noboddyhere]

I want to OC my CPU, so I will not buy the 8700 non K

The 1700 is 309 bucks and the 1800x  345 bucks, I think the 50 bucks doesnt matter at all. 

If I want to upgrade in 2-3 years AMD is better ?  

 

 

how much should I spend on the mainboard btw? And is a m2 or a pcie SSD better, and what RAM and case should I get? I dont have a ssd and a shitty case and ddr3 ram.

[xg32]

55 minutes ago, Noboddyhere said:

I want to OC my CPU, so I will not buy the 8700 non K

The 1700 is 309 bucks and the 1800x  345 bucks, I think the 50 bucks doesnt matter at all. 

If I want to upgrade in 2-3 years AMD is better ?  

 

 

how much should I spend on the mainboard btw? And is a m2 or a pcie SSD better, and what RAM and case should I get? I dont have a ssd and a shitty case and ddr3 ram.

u can oc your 1700 or 1800x and they still won't beat the 8700 non-k in gaming, ryzen is known to bottleneck on overwatch, if you are concerned about meltdown then just wait for zen+, you need the best amd boards to oc on ryzen.

 

i'd get m2 over pci-e ssd at this point, the ram would be gskill flare x cl14

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

6 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

The amount of wrongness in what you have wrote is so high I can't tell if you are trolling or just genuinely understand nothing about CPUs

 

[Langley_Man]

If had my 8700k for about 3 months and love it. Overclocked to 5ghz no problem

Yea it's a bit more pricey but Intel meltdown  and all I stick with intel

[NTDaws]

8 hours ago, Nickathom said:

no, dont get the 8700. it power throttles after 80 seconds because of its 65 watt tdp. it severely holds the chip back

what the hell, I hope that's a joke.

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

1 minute ago, Being Delirious said:

what the hell, I hope that's a joke.

 

46 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

 

 

[Ebony Falcon]

2 hours ago, Nickathom said:

 

This ^^ 

im sorry I have to agree with this and the locked cpus 

it is a con and they do throttle, the longest they can not throttle for is 120 seconds they drop back to the rated tdp

 

it boosts temporarily not permanently  

[IamODIN]

9 hours ago, Noboddyhere said:

I want to OC my CPU, so I will not buy the 8700 non K

The 1700 is 309 bucks and the 1800x  345 bucks, I think the 50 bucks doesnt matter at all. 

If I want to upgrade in 2-3 years AMD is better ?  

 

 

how much should I spend on the mainboard btw? And is a m2 or a pcie SSD better, and what RAM and case should I get? I dont have a ssd and a shitty case and ddr3 ram.

makes no sense.. oc or not the 8700 outperforms the 1700..

 

i can overclock a pentium. won't make it faster than a locked skylake LOL

[AnubisFike]

Ok I have read all your inputs to this thread. Many good suggestions. As of know An I7 8700k is about 100 bucks more than an R7 1700 non x( In Sweden). The price of the MB are about the same if you go with X370 or the Z370. What system to buy is not up to the price right know for what i can see. It's more up to what FPS you wanna play. If you are chasing that extrem high FPS go for Intel. The differens is 'nt huge between the two but it exists. But here comes my input and my "two cents". I'm a AMD fan boy but still i would go for the I5 8600k its cheaper than the 8700k and it beats the I7 6700k witch is a great CPU. And if its just gaming you are after the extra threads wont do you know good. 

[Langley_Man]

i agree and disagree lol

 

Keep in mind that were now just breaking into the post 4 core cpus in mainstream. 

Video game developers have been under heavy fire for not optimizing for the extra cores.

 

Theres a large debate on the net about where there gonna go.. its my belief in the next year or so we will start seeing games taking advantage of 4-6-8cores.

 

so its possible that ditching a few cores and going backwards could in fact make u upgrade sooner if u dont go for it now .

[AnubisFike]

2 minutes ago, LangleyNerd said:

i agree and disagree lol

 

Keep in mind that were now just breaking into the post 4 core cpus in mainstream. 

Video game developers have been under heavy fire for not optimizing for the extra cores.

 

Theres a large debate on the net about where there gonna go.. its my belief in the next year or so we will start seeing games taking advantage of 4-6-8cores.

 

so its possible that ditching a few cores and going backwards could in fact make u upgrade sooner if u dont go for it now .

Well there in lies the problem, how long will my hardware last if i hade know when Nvidia released the 780 TI would have gotten one. It was a killer GPU and still is for DX 11 titles. 

The real bang for the buck is finding that CPU or GPU that lasts for years at end.

[xg32]

3 minutes ago, AnubisFike said:

Well there in lies the problem, how long will my hardware last if i hade know when Nvidia released the 780 TI would have gotten one. It was a killer GPU and still is for DX 11 titles. 

The real bang for the buck is finding that CPU or GPU that lasts for years at end.

 

10 minutes ago, LangleyNerd said:

i agree and disagree lol

 

Keep in mind that were now just breaking into the post 4 core cpus in mainstream. 

Video game developers have been under heavy fire for not optimizing for the extra cores.

 

Theres a large debate on the net about where there gonna go.. its my belief in the next year or so we will start seeing games taking advantage of 4-6-8cores.

 

so its possible that ditching a few cores and going backwards could in fact make u upgrade sooner if u dont go for it now .

it's actually pretty clear, you want 8 cores and something that plays at 120hz, i think when intel comes out with ice lake, preferably with meltdown fixed, a 8c/16T with a 2080(?) ti would last 5 years. I'm also down with a zen 2 or something that does 4.5ghz, nothing lower though

[Langley_Man]

5 minutes ago, AnubisFike said:

Well there in lies the problem, how long will my hardware last if i hade know when Nvidia released the 780 TI would have gotten one. It was a killer GPU and still is for DX 11 titles. 

The real bang for the buck is finding that CPU or GPU that lasts for years at end.

im with u there .. iv always done things backwards. i needed a new system so i splurged just upgrading my existing components 

8700K - 16gb DDr4 Mobo and a AIO water cooler which cost me just under a grand. 

 

but i went all out on the cpu knowing its gona be good for years... really wanted a ripper tho lol

only got my 2xhd7950's in crossfire to retire and upgrade then im all set.. 

 

If your an amd guy then go for it. I had 1800X before i got the 8700K but had nothing but hardware conflicts. 

the computer store i got it from RMA'd them and swapped me to this 

[Stefan Payne]

17 hours ago, Noboddyhere said:

Hey guys,

 

I want to upgrade my PC coz I have atm a i5-4440 in my PC and I can't play any games at high or medium. With my new CPU I want to play games like OW, csgo and Witcher 3, I want to play Witcher 3 in high settings 1080P and I want to stream and render videos for yt.

 

My max. budget is 1000

Ryzen 2000 was introduced a couple of days ago, but also a price drop for the 1000 as well.

Either way, get a Ryzen, not an Intel due to the security bugs that came out last/this week...

 

14 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

The amount of wrongness in what you have wrote is so high I can't tell if you are trolling or just genuinely understand nothing about CPUs

We know that you are a strong believer in "Intel" and don't want to recommend anything that is not from them...

And also don't want to accept anything else...

 

And there is the situation with the bad thermal transfer between IHS and Die and that Intel uses pretty bad thermal compound. Why are there so many people voiding the warranty of the CPU if the connection is good?!

 

14 hours ago, dave_k said:

R7 2700X

Yeah, but its still a couple of months away, nothing you could buy right now...

[Noboddyhere]

I'v heard from the Intel security bug, and from the new Ryzen 2000( and it's still a couple of months away...) and from the price drop, thats why I want to upgrade my PC.

I forgot to say, my "main" game is csgo, and I want 300+ FPS

 

Im not sure at all if I should get the 8700K or 1700x/1800x I know Intel has better single core performance, but AMD has more core's and threads

[DarkSmith2]

1 hour ago, Noboddyhere said:

my "main" game is csgo

buy Intel.

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

@Being Delirious @Ethocreeper @Princess Cadencewatch the video before laughing at a post 

 

[Nocte]

8 hours ago, Noboddyhere said:

I'v heard from the Intel security bug, and from the new Ryzen 2000( and it's still a couple of months away...) and from the price drop, thats why I want to upgrade my PC.

I forgot to say, my "main" game is csgo, and I want 300+ FPS

 

Im not sure at all if I should get the 8700K or 1700x/1800x I know Intel has better single core performance, but AMD has more core's and threads

Intel is going to give you more FPS in CS:GO. There's no doubt about that.

It depends if you want to trade some frames for cores and threads... I did it and I am happy about my choice, but everyone's different.