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ImNotThere

what is the main differences between them and do they matter for a semi serious gamer? 

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IPS = best viewing angles and colour

TN = best response time

VA = somewhere in between

 

Take your pick... might make a difference depending on what you prefer.

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

Just now, porina said:

IPS = best viewing angles and colour

TN = best response time

VA = somewhere in between

 

Take your pick... might make a difference depending on what you prefer.

thank youu

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Just now, ImNotThere said:

thank youu

Nowadays though IPS is the best pick if you find a monitor that has higher refresh rate of 60hz, I personally have an ultrawide IPS panel running at 100hz with pretty much as good response times as any TN... technology has advanced plenty.

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2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Nowadays though IPS is the best pick if you find a monitor that has higher refresh rate of 60hz, I personally have an ultrawide IPS panel running at 100hz with pretty much as good response times as any TN... technology has advanced plenty.

im looking at an ultrawide 1440p 100hz 4ms VA monitor and it is $200 less than a similar specced ips monitor

 

 

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1 minute ago, ImNotThere said:

im looking at an ultrawide 1440p 100hz 4ms VA monitor and it is $200 less than a similar specced ips monitor

Can't you be specific about models you have your eyes on?

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6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Can't you be specific about models you have your eyes on?

im in the uk so the only ones readily available are the acer predator x34, z35p

and the AOC AG352UCG 35-Inch Widescreen

(only ones readily available with the desired specs)

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3 hours ago, porina said:

IPS = best viewing angles and colour

TN = best response time

VA = somewhere in between

 

Take your pick... might make a difference depending on what you prefer.

Also VA usually has better contrast than the other 2.

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5 hours ago, porina said:

IPS = best viewing angles and colour

TN = best response time

VA = somewhere in between

 

Take your pick... might make a difference depending on what you prefer.

With Samsung's quantum dot monitors, TN is irrelevant. 

 

 

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I have an overlord tempest IPS that is clocked at 110hz, no gsync.  I got a good deal on a dell 2716 144hz gsync tn panel that I ended up returning.  I didn't really notice a difference with gsync on, maybe I'm blind lol, who knows.  Then I bought a Samsung C32HG70 quantum dot VA panel.  1440p and 144hz, VA panel, beautiful monitor.  Best colors I have ever seen on a pc monitor.  Ended up returning it due to a dead pixel, am going to buy another one.  

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1 hour ago, Mooshi said:

With Samsung's quantum dot monitors, TN is irrelevant. 

Have to say I've not followed it closely, are they expensive? I mean, more so than IPS?

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22 minutes ago, porina said:

Have to say I've not followed it closely, are they expensive? I mean, more so than IPS?

I paid $450 after tax for a 32in 60hz one but it was on sale.

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14 hours ago, porina said:

IPS = best viewing angles and colour

TN = best response time

VA = somewhere in between

 

Take your pick... might make a difference depending on what you prefer.

I would go like this:

 

IPS: Best viewing angles / color accuracy. But ips-glow, backlightbleeding possible.

response time is inbetween. Faster than VA, slower than TN.

 

TN: Worst color accuracy / viewing angles. However, the more expensive TN panels are pretty damn decent. Perfectly fine for every normal user, who does mainly gaming + webbrosing etc, and not any kind of professional photo/video work. Fastest Panel and cheap to make. Fast = response times = lower ghosting/trailing.

 

 VA: "not" really inbetween. Slowest Pixels so ghosting might bean issue for people who want an absolute clear image while moving around.

However, the Contrast ratio is the BEST here, and also, the Blacks are by far the best. So, strong colors. Color accuracy and Viewing angles are fine. VA Panels also got better over the years.

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11 hours ago, geo3 said:

Also VA usually has better contrast than the other 2.

in past you got the scanner or camera with best #:1 ratio indicate how much contrast pic had

i go with tv with best #:1 (my old w1907 was 800or1000:1 and was nice picture)

today i think 2500 or greater:1 is expected with 1400p or greater

its a spec thats been disappearing from display market though with just 720p 1080p etc being the replacement

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I am now looking at ASUS ROG PG279Q, 165 Hz G-Sync, IPS.
But there is also a TN version of this monitor PG278Q which has TN panel. 144Hz I no g-sync!

I should mention the deal on TN is much cheaper, what you guys think I should go for?

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This Monitor DOES have G-Sync. or what do you mean?

 

If TN, there is a newer one: PG278QR (also, supporting OC up to 165 Hz. But it's nothing you will notice clearly).

For example, here in Germany, the older 278Q costs 699 €, and the newer 278QR only 650€.

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12 hours ago, Darkseth said:

This Monitor DOES have G-Sync. or what do you mean?

 

If TN, there is a newer one: PG278QR (also, supporting OC up to 165 Hz. But it's nothing you will notice clearly).

For example, here in Germany, the older 278Q costs 699 €, and the newer 278QR only 650€.

I am from Croatia, so Europe also. I am asking about TN vs IPS, should I go for TN monitor with 1 ms, or IPS 4ms. Both are same, but TN panel is alot cheaper!
Also I have ordered stuff from Amazon.de and ComputerUniverse.de alot before.
I saw PG278QR also, don't worry I am just sceptic about TN panel cause I had IPS panel 60Hz WQHD, and never TN.

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TN and IPS have advantages and disadvantages.

 

TN is a bit faster, cheaper, but has worse viewing angles / color accuracy.

 

IPS has better viewing angles and color accuracy. But in THIS Case (WQHD + 144 Hz) the Panels have quality issues. This is literaly an "IPS-Lottery".

You can have bad backlightbleeding, defective pixels, stronger clouding etc etc.

 

If you're unlucky, you can buy 5x IPS, and all 5 are somewhere faulty.

 

If you wanna try your luck, go for ips. Otherwise, you will do perfectly fine with TN. Modern good TN are pretty damn good nowadays, and not much worse from IPS.

So it's perfectly fine to save money with TN (especially, since IPS is NOT better. it simply does certain things better, and others worse, so it balances out)

 

I was sceptic like you before, and i use a TN Panel (Acer XB241YU 24") beside my 24" IPS Monitor. After a little bit calibration, i don't really see much difference anymore (as long i'm sitting in Front of course). So no issue there. The Backlightbleeding from IPS did bother me much much more.

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