which is a better choice R7 1700 vs i7 8700 non k

[HHHH]

I want to build a gaming and workstation pc which will be a better choice

[LienusLateTips]

8700

[EG!]

10 minutes ago, HHHH said:

I want to build a gaming and workstation pc which will be a better choice

for gaming the i7 8700 will have better performance, I don't know what you want to do on your workstation so not sure what you need.

Coffee lake only has Z370 boards out now so your mobo will cost more at the time.

UserBenchmark

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, EG! said:

UserBenchmark

UserBenchmark is pretty unreliable. It doesn't care if the result submits a underclocked or LN2 overclocked result.

[Sfekke]

What @EG! said is true.

For gaming Intel still holds the crown, thanks to higher single core performance.

If you plan to stream/edit video in premiere/after effects/record video or any other multithreaded workload an AMD Ryzen is the better all round option but will perform somewhat lower in games.

 

In the end you have to decide what you'll do with your system and remember you have to use it, not one of the people giving tips

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Sfekke said:

What @EG! said is true.

For gaming Intel still holds the crown, thanks to higher single core performance.

If you plan to stream/edit video in premiere/after effects/record video or any other multithreaded workload an AMD Ryzen is the better all round option but will perform somewhat lower in games.

 

In the end you have to decide what you'll do with your system and remember you have to use it, not one of the people giving tips

The 8700 actually is actually about equal in editing, however if the person is streaming I would recommend Ryzen.

[Narnash]

At first you would be fine with both, basicly (for gaming related workloads, a bit of streaming one or two videos here and there).

The Intel IPC/overclocking benefit is more or less a non factor with a non K (or a nonoverclockable motherboard) CPU for the most part. But tbh you should also overclock the R7 (if you choose it) to use it's full potential (I speak about reasonable stable overclocks like maybe a 3,7GHz on all cores).

 

All in all for pure multithreaded workloads is the R7 a better option, for most games is more or less the i7 8700 a "better" option but not by very much when you choose a i7 8700(non K). At the end I would make the choice by the better price between these two, you could pick a cheaper  motherboard with the non K intel chip but I wouldn't recomand that personally.  right now you only have the option to pick a Z370 board, which would make a i7 8700 (non K) an even stranger pick as it is.

 

 

To repeat myself again, you will be fine with both for gaming and if you really don't want to overclock (because you you don't want to hassle with that stuff) than I recomand ou to pick the intel i7 8700 chip or at least a R7 1700x.

 

EDIT: in red

[Sfekke]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

UserBenchmark is pretty unreliable. It doesn't care if the result submits a underclocked or LN2 overclocked result.

I have to agree with @JDE here, but it gives you a baseline.

I'd recommend to @HHHH to give some benchmarks a look, specific ones of the software/games you'll play.

And pick based on those charts preferably in the resolutions you plan to play in, do not look at 4K charts when you'll play at 1080P.

[genexis_x]

21 minutes ago, HHHH said:

I want to build a gaming and workstation pc which will be a better choice

Budget? Mainly gaming or work? What kind of work you do?

[HHHH]

 

1 minute ago, ZM Fong said:

Budget? Mainly gaming or work? What kind of work you do?

My professional work is mostly with coding-decoding and database related and my budget for CPU motherboard and ram is around 600$ to 650$

[88pockets]

Id say go with the Ryzen chip.  More cores will have a more pronounced impact that the higher frequency of the 8700.  Plus the 8700 runs pretty hot (even stock) and there is an additional cost associated with a decent AIO or high-end air cooler.  Also, the Ryzen socket will be used in future generations of AMD CPUs, as such a solid X370 board can take advantage of a 2nd (possibly even 3rd) generation Ryzen CPU.  Gaming, especially at 1080p, will take more advantage of the Intel chips with their higher frequency and better single core performance, but not to the extent that buying into the Z370 platform makes it worthwhile. 

 

Z370 and the 8th gen Intel CPUs seem to have been rushed to market in response to Ryzen, but they carry a higher price tag that I don't think is warranted for some extra frames per second in games.  Gaming is far more GPU dependent.  Put the extra money you save in a better graphics card or more RAM.  Too bad you missed the sales last week, very low prices for either platform, relative to what they usually go for.

[cj09beira]

25 minutes ago, 88pockets said:

Id say go with the Ryzen chip.  More cores will have a more pronounced impact that the higher frequency of the 8700.  Plus the 8700 runs pretty hot (even stock) and there is an additional cost associated with a decent AIO or high-end air cooler.  Also, the Ryzen socket will be used in future generations of AMD CPUs, as such a solid X370 board can take advantage of a 2nd (possibly even 3rd) generation Ryzen CPU.  Gaming, especially at 1080p, will take more advantage of the Intel chips with their higher frequency and better single core performance, but not to the extent that buying into the Z370 platform makes it worthwhile. 

 

Z370 and the 8th gen Intel CPUs seem to have been rushed to market in response to Ryzen, but they carry a higher price tag that I don't think is warranted for some extra frames per second in games.  Gaming is far more GPU dependent.  Put the extra money you save in a better graphics card or more RAM.  Too bad you missed the sales last week, very low prices for either platform, relative to what they usually go for.

3 rd gen ryzen support confirmed recently in a q and a, and btw OP don't cheap out on the boards, remember that it's still a 8 core CPU and the platform will last a long time ( gen 3 is out In 2019-2020)

[Princess Luna]

The i7 8700

 

if you have an entire hour to burn this shows why:

 

[just_dave]

4 hours ago, Sfekke said:

For gaming Intel still holds the crown, thanks to higher single core performance.

Not only higher single core performance.

Ryzen's architecture (2* CCX = Zeppelin die) is making the gaming performance worse as well.

Ring bus is a better choice for gaming

[Sfekke]

4 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Not only higher single core performance.

Ryzen's architecture (2* CCX = Zeppelin die) is making the gaming performance worse as well.

Ring bus is a better choice for gaming

@HHHH I'd say it is up to you now.

If you are just going to play through games it seems like we all agree Intel is the option.

If you are going to game but also do some video/photo/3D modelling also known as : multi threaded workloads AMD Ryzen is a great option.

I am not going to say what you must get and why it is the only option, I will tell you what I'd do but in the end you have to use it and all the people that tried to help you do not.

 

I'd say hopefully this is enough information

 

Edit : 

What @dave_k says is true by the way, do your homework kids haha =)
*That last bit is meant as a joke, not meant to offend or intentionally hurt anyone*

Edited December 4, 2017 by Sfekke
Added my opinion on Dave_K's comment.

[HHHH]

7 hours ago, Sfekke said:

@HHHH I'd say it is up to you now.

If you are just going to play through games it seems like we all agree Intel is the option.

If you are going to game but also do some video/photo/3D modelling also known as : multi threaded workloads AMD Ryzen is a great option.

I am not going to say what you must get and why it is the only option, I will tell you what I'd do but in the end you have to use it and all the people that tried to help you do not.

 

I'd say hopefully this is enough information

 

Edit : 

What @dave_k says is true by the way, do your homework kids haha =)
*That last bit is meant as a joke, not meant to offend or intentionally hurt anyone*

we all taking about stock my confusion is 1700 is overclockable to 3.7GHZ with stock cooler can it beat 8700 non k or match it or which is better ??