Why so much hate about new Intel Processors??!

[Jack Durden]

I understand AMD has finally after so many years done some quality processors, the Threadripper proccesors specially the 1950x looks amazing and for the price its perfomance its the best money/value.

Ok we can be right about that, but why so much hate to intel?

Intel is being building this last years the best technology a user could have for their personal computer in processors, so do they not deserve some respect as a company?

Now people only say this or that about how AMD is way better investment for your money, and again thats true, but still, intel might be expensive, but is still making betteer products than amd, it has on sale the best processor in history with 18 cores, its true that temps are crazy even in the 7820x if you overclockit, well, ok, but i assume that if you spend that much money on this proce4ssors you also can invest a bunch on a proper water cooling system to play with its temps. 

And yeah, maybe its too expensive, ok, because their products even tho they are the best you can get they are still pulling horrible temps and voltages, but i am sure that next year with the ice lake line up they will absolutly crush competence as they have always done. 

So, my point is that is great that AMD has evolved finally, its great for us as consumers because makes everything cheaper and forces intel to make better products but with a cost as well, is not all gold, now that this is happening intel and amd will make their stuff to quick maybe and problems like temps and volts will show up so its a double edge sword.

But to conclude, AMD (best money/value) Intel (still best processors perfomance wise in the world...)

 

And the worst of all by the way, at the end we are talking about serious high end processors here, and still the people the majority of people are building gaming pcs with the 7700k (a processor that still is only 10% superior to 3 years old 4790k) is that progress? All i read is people talking shit about 8 cores or 10 cores or 16 or 18 core processors intel has made for this new generation for the 2066 socket, and funny enough almost all of this comments come from people that built their system as a gaming machine not as a workstation, this processors have nothing to do with gaming things, thats why youll read a lot of haters saying that 7700k gives better perfomance in games than the 2000$ 7980x, so what? one is design for web browsing and enterteiment prupose such as gaming and the other is designed to render in 3d, render videos and multitasking for a more proffesional aproach. 

And all this silly discussion about fps in games? omg hahah, the most important part about playing games on pc is the graphics card, if you have a 1080ti youll have no problem playing any game with the 7980x or the 7700k, but in one will give you 10 fps more... maybe inside the 130 fps or 140 fps, in those high number unless is an fps who keers?

[PlayStation 2]

People just find reasons to shit on something. People expected Intel to have proper stock on something they kinda had to rush out onto market in a functional state.

[Eduard the weeb]

there is a limited supply of them and they are making people buying new Z307 even thought they have the same chipset of older Z207 and etc boards.

Also some people have been ticked off that I3s now have the similar clock speeds and core counts of the old I7 cpus with only overclocking out.

[3rrant]

3 minutes ago, Jack Durden said:

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The hate do not come by the product, but by management. They lied, they lost transparency, they prevented the market to grow, they stopped to improve, they do not give any chance of upgredability, they just don't care about their costumers.

 

It's not about their CPU, it's about the company itself. And they built this, so it's totally their fault.

[QuantumBit]

Intel doesn't care about its consumers, it just wants to make the most money. It will overprice things, and cut off support for no reason.

[Silentprototipe]

2 words, Anti Consumer

[minervx]

Having the best performance doesn't matter if an opportunity cost is present.  Most consumers and most companies have a finite budget.

[DocSwag]

People like to root for the underdog, and root for the "righteous" company. Most people see it as AMD has "helped" them and is working for the consumer by giving these higher core count CPUs to the mainstream, and that Intel didn't do it out of "the goodness of their heart" but rather brought 6 core to mainstream because of competition.

 

TBH, I think all this bull crap is dumb. Just get the best CPU you can get within your budget for the stuff you'll be doing. 

[Ganz]

Just now, ErrantNyles said:

The hate do not come by the product, but by management. They lied, they lost transparency, they prevented the market to grow, they stopped to improve, they do not give any chance of upgredability, they just don't care about their costumers.

 

It's not about their CPU, it's about the company itself. And they built this, so it's totally their fault.

Pretty much this.  It's not hating the product it's hating the company.  With AMD actually putting competitive products on the board we saw some true colors of Intel and it really looks like they were not as consumer friendly as they should be.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, QuantumBit said:

Intel doesn't care about its consumers, it just wants to make the most money. It will overprice things, and cut off support for no reason.

 

1 minute ago, silentprototipe said:

2 words, Anti Consumer

My question is, does AMD really care about consumers then?

[QuantumBit]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

 

My question is, does AMD really care about consumers then?

More than Intel I'm assuming.

[minervx]

Why would a supercomputer buy 500 i9's when they could buy 750 Threadrippers?

[AMDPRO]

Intel has only has very marginal preformance boost like you said, because FX had no high end cpu's from amd's side. The consumers were pissed because intel started to make a bunch of new and confusing lines (like the x and 8th gen) to combat ryzen, while continuing to push back 10nm

[DocSwag]

Just now, QuantumBit said:

More than Intel I'm assuming.

IMO, neither does. They only care about money.

 

These are companies we are talking about. Not people. They care about the profits they're getting. If amd believes they're gonna get more profits by bringing more cores to the mainstream (which they were, since if they priced their CPUs higher they wouldn't be as competitive), then that's what they're gonna do. If they think that they'll get more profits by seeming "consumer friendly" then that's what they're gonna do. If they're gonna make more money by not being "consumer friendly" that's what they're gonna do.

 

If AMD really did care about consumers, why would they have blatantly lied to their shareholders about Llano? AMD has done anti consumer stuff in the past as well.

[FloRolf]

First thing that comes to mind is wanting 80€ more for a 8700k over a 8700. Like seriously, you pay 25% more just to be able to OC. AMD does that for free. 

[Jurrunio]

 Intel is anti-consumer (though not saying AMD doesnt have bad history either). I'd let AdoredTV in Youtube do the talking

4 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

there is a limited supply of them and they are making people buying new Z307 even thought they have the same chipset of older Z207 and etc boards.

Also some people have been ticked off that I3s now have the similar clock speeds and core counts of the old I7 cpus with only overclocking out.

To be fair, Coffee Lake has changed the function of pins, specifically more and different pins are used for power delivery, so it's normal for chips to not be compatible. Besides, chipsets only lasting 2 generations is already the norm for Intel, so those who bought Z270 can only blame those who spread info that Z270 can support Coffee Lake.

[WereCat]

Just now, FloRolf said:

First thing that comes to mind is wanting 80€ more for a 8700k over a 8700. Like seriously, you pay 25% more just to be able to OC. AMD does that for free. 

You also pay for higher out of the box clocks.

R7 1700 and R7 1800X have a big price difference as well because of that.

[Eduard the weeb]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

 Intel is anti-consumer (though not saying AMD doesnt have bad history either). I'd let AdoredTV in Youtube do the talking

To be fair, Coffee Lake has changed the function of pins, specifically more and different pins are used for power delivery, so it's normal for chips to not be compatible. Besides, chipsets only lasting 2 generations is already the norm for Intel, so those who bought Z270 can only blame those who spread info that Z270 can support Coffee Lake.

yeah and honestly idk because I am with ryzen but people he asked so I answered 

[Guest]

Because platform wars make the world go 'round.

[FloRolf]

21 minutes ago, WereCat said:

You also pay for higher out of the box clocks.

R7 1700 and R7 1800X have a big price difference as well because of that.

Thats true, however you can still easily OC the 1700 to an 1800x. Or at least close. 

[RGProductions]

Because Intel is a slightly shitter company than amd.

[NTDaws]

2 hours ago, minervx said:

Why would a supercomputer buy 500 i9's when they could buy 750 Threadrippers?

This just reminds me of downloading ram

[Fardin]

to be honest, its all about business & companies are there to earn profit. sadly intel is greedier than other & I dont hate intel, i just dont like the fact that they had the opportunity to do what they did. Intel is better optimized platform to me but anyway, since there were no competition, like it is said they established "monopoly" & played dirty, consumers didnt have any other good option so had to pay the price whatever they charged. Gladly Amd's ryzen brought a revolutionary change (in my word) for consumers which forced intel to come down to earth thus we see coffeelake line up. I hope Amd keep pushing more harder & keep the competition going on. that will bring a huge benefit for us consumers again & ensure there wont be anymore monopoly happening again  

[Brett_Bst]

2 hours ago, QuantumBit said:

More than Intel I'm assuming.

yh that's why they made up dated for the vega cards to allow better mining even though they said they wouldn't and would make it harder but here is an update to help you all anyway, don't matter if any one else wants to buy them you miners just buy them all to rocket the price up, who does that help

[Brett_Bst]

19 minutes ago, Fardin said:

to be honest, its all about business & companies are there to earn profit. sadly intel is greedier than other & I dont hate intel, i just dont like the fact that they had the opportunity to do what they did. Intel is better optimized platform to me but anyway, since there were no competition, like it is said they established "monopoly" & played dirty, consumers didnt have any other good option so had to pay the price whatever they charged. Gladly Amd's ryzen brought a revolutionary change (in my word) for consumers which forced intel to come down to earth thus we see coffeelake line up. I hope Amd keep pushing more harder & keep the competition going on. that will bring a huge benefit for us consumers again & ensure there wont be anymore monopoly happening again  

Its All About The Money, Money, Money also why would a company not want to make money ? oinly sell atr just above a loss to please the consumer..... even though they doid what they do people will ALWAYS go with Intel and that's were the issue lies...