General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[kelvinhall05]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

I'd do it, my ASUS Formula is amazing, and looks super nice as well. 

But what if I buy it to resell it? How much would I possibly be making in CAD?

[NoxiousOdor]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

But what if I buy it to resell it? How much would I possibly be making in CAD?

probably not a lot unless you can get it for around 100 and then sell it for more

[Ground]

Well, even a sabertooth x58 is a fairly good board that should still sell for 150 on ebay... so not much of a loss no matter what... but a xeon upgrade should be prioritisrd.  

[kelvinhall05]

4 minutes ago, Ground said:

Well, even a sabertooth x58 is a fairly good board that should still sell for 150 on ebay... so not much of a loss no matter what... but a xeon upgrade should be prioritisrd.  

Yes, I know a Xeon is prioritized. But for all I know, the Rampage compared to the Sabertooth is a night and day difference in...whatever.

[bimmerman]

....except it won't be. Read contemporary reviews from when these came out. The difference in motherboards is pretty negligible except under heavy overclocking, which the i7-950 isn't great at in any case.

 

I'd be downright shocked if you noticed any difference in using the computer. You might (heavy emphasis on might) be able to eke out some more MHz, but your i7 is already pretty OCd and your current board is already really good. For reference, I had an i7-950, which topped out at 3.9 GHz when overclocked on my UD3R motherboard. The $65 Xeon does 4.7 GHz, on literally all the other identical components.

 

Hence, you will notice much more of a difference with an OC'd Xeon on your current board than by changing motherboards because ooo shiny.

 

Buying to flip could work out well if you can get it cheap enough. Rampage IIIs are listed for $250-350 USD on ebay US, but they don't seem to disappear all that quickly.

 

that's my 2c. I'd skip it personally.

[Automobili3XF]

So i'm trying those dirty 4.0ghz configs today.

Ran AIDA64 SST for about two minutes and it threw a hardware failure error, ran it again just to see what would happen and it has been running flawlessly for more than 20 minutes now, not weird at all...

[Ground]

4.0 is nothing on x58 xeons tbh. 4.4 or bust

[Glasare]

Hell I got a UD3R, an i7-950, 12GB 1333 DDR, and even a GTX570 thrown in for about $150, then an Asrock X58 Extreme 3 with an i7-920 for another $60 from the same guy.

Seems like really good deals, even tho the i7's just served as socket lids

No 4.4 stable yet on the W3670/Asrock combo tho. Not really comfortable with the VERY hot NB.

 

[Razor Blade]

42 minutes ago, Glasare said:

Seems like really good deals, even tho the i7's just served as socket lids

Harsh... I still have my old Bloomfield i7 940 which served me well as my daily PC all the way up until I got a Ryzen 7 last year... It was my first "real" gaming CPU I bought back in I believe 2010 for my first gaming computer build. Before that all I had was hand me down Pentium3 or Celeron which I was grateful for...but gaming was about what you would expect from that generation of CPU.

[Ground]

8 hours ago, Razor Blade said:

Harsh... I still have my old Bloomfield i7 940 which served me well as my daily PC all the way up until I got a Ryzen 7 last year... It was my first "real" gaming CPU I bought back in I believe 2010 for my first gaming computer build. Before that all I had was hand me down Pentium3 or Celeron which I was grateful for...but gaming was about what you would expect from that generation of CPU.

Well, if you have the option to go with a)cheap (starting at 30€) b)6 core c)less power hungry d)cooler and e) better overclocking CPUs the i7s are pretty much useless unless you already have a 6 core. 

[Razor Blade]

3 hours ago, Ground said:

Well, if you have the option to go with a)cheap (starting at 30€) b)6 core c)less power hungry d)cooler and e) better overclocking CPUs the i7s are pretty much useless unless you already have a 6 core. 

You mistook nostalgia for defense bro. I already know the first gen i7 is not the best choice anymore. Hence why I upgraded it after 8 years. It actually still games fine on a lot of titles. But it was really showing its age on multi threaded apps.

[FlatBrokeRacing]

well ended up selling one of the X58 systems i built today (x5660 @4.4ghz), went to a good home i think sold it to a kid for IMHO a good price (at a loss for me but keeps the hobby going)

 

Still one X58 system left (x5680). I already kinda miss it haha.

[Glasare]

5 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

well ended up selling one of the X58 systems i built today (x5660 @4.4ghz), went to a good home i think sold it to a kid for IMHO a good price (at a loss for me but keeps the hobby going)

 

Still one X58 system left (x5680). I already kinda miss it haha.

I'm sitting with one extra X58 system, and two 4Ghz, 8GB Socket 775 systems. Figured I should sell em off (at a loss) to someone with kids playing CS:GO, Dota2, Fortnite or less demanding titles like that. That, or just sell the parts. Tho it's kinda hard to let these machines go. Lot of time put into hunting for the parts, tweaking the settings, pimpin' the chassis etc etc.

[Razor Blade]

I still have my old i7 system and a couple core 2 duo systems I was given. I may end up building and giving the core 2 duo systems away to a family that needs them or donating them to the salvation army. The core i7 system I may keep as a backup PC in case something bad happens to my main system. The other X58 systems I have now are just old server hardware for NAS or VM function. It isn't like I'm hosting or using them for business so I figure for the tasks I use them for, I won't have to upgrade for quite a long time.

[Glasare]

20 hours ago, Razor Blade said:

I still have my old i7 system and a couple core 2 duo systems I was given. I may end up building and giving the core 2 duo systems away to a family that needs them or donating them to the salvation army. The core i7 system I may keep as a backup PC in case something bad happens to my main system. The other X58 systems I have now are just old server hardware for NAS or VM function. It isn't like I'm hosting or using them for business so I figure for the tasks I use them for, I won't have to upgrade for quite a long time.

There's still some life in socket 775 if you have or can get the right Mobo/CPU/RAM combo.

I just bought a Sabertooth 55i for the X3450 I have. It comes with an i5-760 as a socket lid. I might just bench it a bit against my 775-systems.

[Glasare]

Ok.. So the wait for the Corsair 275R was longer than expected, and the W3680 got help up in customs... But.. today they both arrived.

 

It's now up and running at stock speeds (3.46GHz), and everything seems to work perfectly fine. I'll more than likely replace the 212EVO with the MasterLiquid Pro 240 from my 775 system and get the overclocking going.

 

Here's a snap without the TG on.

 

[bimmerman]

very nice!

[AllanSavage]

Hey guys. I actually just made a post about an X58 build if you wouldn't mind providing some insight?

IT would be highly appreciated

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/920858-best-bang-for-mobo-buck/

 

[NoxiousOdor]

Here is a comparison of X99-ITX vs X58-HPTX

 

[Canada EH]

Well I got the X58 with 920 and 5650 laying around. I am thinking I might just make a portable pc out of it.

[NoxiousOdor]

36 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

Well I got the X58 with 920 and 5650 laying around. I am thinking I might just make a portable pc out of it.

That would be really cool, be sure to post pictures when it is done

[MaratM]

Here is the one of the best videos about x58 vs modern 6 cores CPU’s

It looks like x58 hexa-core xeons are on par with modern mid range cpu’s and can handle any modern consumer grade GPU even using PCI-E 2.0 instead of 3.0

[panther420]

Quick question about X58 CPUs - as some of you may or may not know from my previous posts on this forum, I bought an X58 motherboard (Gigabyte EX58-UD5) with a CPU and RAM combo a while ago and never quite got it working with a Xeon X5650 due to RAM issues. The jist of it, from my understanding after troubleshooting it and some help from the folks here, was that the board and CPU's server memory controller optimized for lower-frequency ram was not compatible with the DDR3-1600 kit I was using. However, it did work just fine with the i7-950 that came with the board. I remember swapping kits with someone at freegeek to see if lower clocked ram would fix the issue, and I seem to remember that it still didn't work. At that point, I was quite frustrated and just gave up since I didn't really need the board at the time and figured I'd just go back to the i7-950 if I ever wanted to use it and couldn't get the X5650 working.

 

Anyway, after stashing it away for a while and not doing anything with it, I recently decided it would be a nice upgrade for my sister's FX-4300 PC (she picked up Fortnite and doesn't really have a computer powerful enough to play it, and she likes streaming too). I can recycle pretty much all the components in her system except for the motherboard, CPU, cooler, and PSU. The only problem is this RAM issue. I would like to use the Xeon over the i7 if at all possible, and I highly doubt the 2x8GB kit of DDR3-1600 is going to be more compatible than the triple channel kits I've tried before, which I can't even use because 16GB to 6GB would be a total downgrade for my sister.

 

Then I remembered about W-series xeons, and how they were more similar to i7s with their single QPI link and better compatibility. So my question is: Should I get a W3670 for $50 and will it improve my odds of getting that RAM to work? (I'm not in a position to be buying new RAM right now so I kinda need that kit she already has to work.)

 

[Razor Blade]

12 hours ago, panther420 said:

Spoiler

 

Quick question about X58 CPUs - as some of you may or may not know from my previous posts on this forum, I bought an X58 motherboard (Gigabyte EX58-UD5) with a CPU and RAM combo a while ago and never quite got it working with a Xeon X5650 due to RAM issues. The jist of it, from my understanding after troubleshooting it and some help from the folks here, was that the board and CPU's server memory controller optimized for lower-frequency ram was not compatible with the DDR3-1600 kit I was using. However, it did work just fine with the i7-950 that came with the board. I remember swapping kits with someone at freegeek to see if lower clocked ram would fix the issue, and I seem to remember that it still didn't work. At that point, I was quite frustrated and just gave up since I didn't really need the board at the time and figured I'd just go back to the i7-950 if I ever wanted to use it and couldn't get the X5650 working.

 

Anyway, after stashing it away for a while and not doing anything with it, I recently decided it would be a nice upgrade for my sister's FX-4300 PC (she picked up Fortnite and doesn't really have a computer powerful enough to play it, and she likes streaming too). I can recycle pretty much all the components in her system except for the motherboard, CPU, cooler, and PSU. The only problem is this RAM issue. I would like to use the Xeon over the i7 if at all possible, and I highly doubt the 2x8GB kit of DDR3-1600 is going to be more compatible than the triple channel kits I've tried before, which I can't even use because 16GB to 6GB would be a total downgrade for my sister.

 

Then I remembered about W-series xeons, and how they were more similar to i7s with their single QPI link and better compatibility. So my question is: Should I get a W3670 for $50 and will it improve my odds of getting that RAM to work? (I'm not in a position to be buying new RAM right now so I kinda need that kit she already has to work.)

 

 

I'm not an expert but my guess would be that motherboard may not support Xeon 5600 series CPUs. I know my ASUS rampage II board doesn't work with 5600 CPUs but run fine with an X5550 after a bios update. I'm also using Corsair DDR3 1600 RAM with it and it runs fine.

 

Do you have a 5500 series CPU to try?

[panther420]

43 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

I'm not an expert but my guess would be that motherboard may not support Xeon 5600 series CPUs. I know my ASUS rampage II board doesn't work with 5600 CPUs but run fine with an X5550 after a bios update. I'm also using Corsair DDR3 1600 RAM with it and it runs fine.

 

Do you have a 5500 series CPU to try?

I don't, but I know they're super cheap so I might try. But as far as I'm aware there are no 6c12t 5500 Xeons, so that kind of defeats the purpose of going with the Xeon. I mind as well just go with my i7 then.