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The advice in these communities ranges from extremely helpful to "keeping up with the Joneses".  I define overkill as offering extremely small gains in performance and utility for one's own needs and budget.  I don't necessarily define overkill as having an inferior performance-to-dollar ratio.

 

  • A mid-full tower size with a sparse selection of parts.
  • A Threadripper or i9 for 99.9% of enthusiasts.
  • A Ryzen 7 or Core i7 for gaming.
  • Above 16 GB of RAM for anyone aside from intense video editing.
  • >2400 MHz of RAM speed for an Intel build.
  • >2800 MHz of RAM speed for a Ryzen build.
  • >500 GB of SSD storage.
  • >144 Frames per Second.
  • 1440p on a small monitor.
  • 4K on a non-large monitor.
  • Premium cooling options.
  • A 4K monitor for GTX 1060 gaming or below.
  • Phase changing, liquid nitrogen or any other weird cooling options.
  • >500w power supply for light gaming and non-video intensive builds.
  • >700w power supply for anything outside of super-intense gaming/video/server use.
  • Claiming that you're a content creator just because Ryzen came out.
  • Claiming that you're running a server just because Threadripper/Vega came out.

PC Build: R5-1600.  Scythe Mugen 5.  GTX 1060.  120 GB SSD.  1 TB HDD.  FDD Mini C.  8 GB RAM (3000 MHz).  Be Quiet Pure Wings 2.  Capstone-550.  Deepcool 350 RGB.

Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

Wishlist: MP S-87, iPad, Yamaha HS5's, more storage

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okay cool, but that list is bullshit. 

Gaming HTPC:

R5 5600X - Cryorig C7 - Asus ROG B350-i - EVGA RTX2060KO - 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws V 3333mhz - Corsair SF450 - 500gb 960 EVO - LianLi TU100B


Desktop PC:
R9 3900X - Peerless Assassin 120 SE - Asus Prime X570 Pro - Powercolor 7900XT - 32gb LPX 3200mhz - Corsair SF750 Platinum - 1TB WD SN850X - CoolerMaster NR200 White - Gigabyte M27Q-SA - Corsair K70 Rapidfire - Logitech MX518 Legendary - HyperXCloud Alpha wireless


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R5 2400G - Noctua NH-D14 - Asus Prime X370-Pro - 16gb G.Skill Aegis 3000mhz - Seasonic Focus Platinum 550W - Fractal Design R5 - 
250gb 970 Evo (OS) - 2x500gb 860 Evo (Raid0) - 6x4TB WD Red (RaidZ2)

Synology-NAS:
DS920+
2x4TB Ironwolf - 1x18TB Seagate Exos X20

 

Audio Gear:

Hifiman HE-400i - Kennerton Magister - Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm - AKG K7XX - Fostex TH-X00 - O2 Amp/DAC Combo - 
Klipsch RP280F - Klipsch RP160M - Klipsch RP440C - Yamaha RX-V479

 

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22 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • A Ryzen 7 or Core i7 for gaming.

Nope, an i5 is not all you need for gaming. If you want the best gaming CPU, get an i7.

22 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • Above 16 GB of RAM for anyone aside from intense video editing.

Really? 32GB of RAM do help if you do a lot of multitasking

23 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • >2400 MHz of RAM speed for an Intel build.
  • >2800 MHz of RAM speed for a Ryzen build.

Both are wrong, faster RAM ALWAYS helps. (@MageTank @stealth80)

24 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • 1440p on a small monitor.
  • 4K on a non-large monitor.

Pixel density is important for some people. 

25 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • Premium cooling options.
26 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • Any weird of silly cooling options

If by that you mean custom loops, you're wrong. Do you think that an AiO is good enough for a 7980XE?

25 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • GTX 1080 for a 1080p monitor.

No, if you have a 144+Hz monitor, a 1080 makes perfect sense for 1080p

26 minutes ago, minervx said:
  • >700w power supply for anything outside of super-intense gaming

Really? So if you have a content creation rig with a Vega 64 and a 7900X you shouldn't get a 800+W PSU? 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K | Motherboard: AsRock X99 Extreme4 | Graphics Card: Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 Gaming | RAM: 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws4 2133MHz | Storage: 1 x Samsung 860 EVO 1TB | 1 x WD Green 2TB | 1 x WD Blue 500GB | PSU: Corsair RM750x | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro (White) | Cooling: Arctic Freezer i32

 

Mice: Logitech G Pro X Superlight (main), Logitech G Pro Wireless, Razer Viper Ultimate, Zowie S1 Divina Blue, Zowie FK1-B Divina Blue, Logitech G Pro (3366 sensor), Glorious Model O, Razer Viper Mini, Logitech G305, Logitech G502, Logitech G402

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Really? 32GB of RAM do help if you do a lot of multitasking

Unless you have a high-end CPU and applications which need it, no.  Gaming, especially not.

 

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Both are wrong, faster RAM ALWAYS helps. (@MageTank @stealth80)

Helps, but the gains from an overclocked 2666 and a 3200 are really slight.

 

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If by that you mean custom loops, you're wrong.

No.  I wasn't referring to that.  I was moreso referring to liquid nitrogen and phase changing.

 

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Really? So if you have a content creation rig with a Vega 64 and a 7900X you shouldn't get a 800+W PSU? 

Of course. 

PC Build: R5-1600.  Scythe Mugen 5.  GTX 1060.  120 GB SSD.  1 TB HDD.  FDD Mini C.  8 GB RAM (3000 MHz).  Be Quiet Pure Wings 2.  Capstone-550.  Deepcool 350 RGB.

Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

Wishlist: MP S-87, iPad, Yamaha HS5's, more storage

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10 minutes ago, minervx said:

 

Helps, but the gains from an overclocked 2666 and a 3200 are really slight.

 

it isn't so much the speed of the ram that helps Ryzen, its the affect it has on the infinity fabric, reducing latency across the cores and basically making the processor faster, 3200-3600 is the sweet spot, getting 3600mhz to run is trick and needs Samsung b-die which is pretty expensive at those speeds. Ryzen plays much better with B die and that should also allow some tighter timing which will also help of course. As for 7700k, I have no personal experience on ram with that

 

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27 minutes ago, minervx said:

No.  I wasn't referring to that.  I was moreso referring to liquid nitrogen and phase changing.

People who overclock using LN2 and phase change mostly do this as a hobby, they know that it is not practical.

28 minutes ago, minervx said:

Of course. 

Nope, a 7900X draws 400W when overclocked and Vega 64 draws 450-500W when overclocked. 800W is the minimum for a PC like this. ;)

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K | Motherboard: AsRock X99 Extreme4 | Graphics Card: Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 Gaming | RAM: 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws4 2133MHz | Storage: 1 x Samsung 860 EVO 1TB | 1 x WD Green 2TB | 1 x WD Blue 500GB | PSU: Corsair RM750x | Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro (White) | Cooling: Arctic Freezer i32

 

Mice: Logitech G Pro X Superlight (main), Logitech G Pro Wireless, Razer Viper Ultimate, Zowie S1 Divina Blue, Zowie FK1-B Divina Blue, Logitech G Pro (3366 sensor), Glorious Model O, Razer Viper Mini, Logitech G305, Logitech G502, Logitech G402

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22 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

it isn't so much the speed of the ram that helps Ryzen, its the affect it has on the infinity fabric, reducing latency across the cores and basically making the processor faster, 3200-3600 is the sweet spot, getting 3600mhz to run is trick and needs Samsung b-die which is pretty expensive at those speeds. Ryzen plays much better with B die and that should also allow some tighter timing which will also help of course. As for 7700k, I have no personal experience on ram with that

 

Intel or AMD, I'll take lower latency over bandwidth any day.  

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2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Really? So if you have a content creation rig with a Vega 64 and a 7900X you shouldn't get a 800+W PSU? 

They also didn't define psu type, so for all we know that could be a knockoff chinese 700w psu

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1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

They also didn't define psu type, so for all we know that could be a knockoff chinese 700w psu

#ChinesePSUMatters

 

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4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • A 4K monitor for GTX 1060 gaming or below.

I have no idea what you just said there

4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • A Ryzen 7 or Core i7 for gaming.

i7 is better than Ryzen 7 for gaming. 

4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • >500w power supply for light gaming and non-video intensive builds.
  • >700w power supply for anything outside of super-intense gaming/video/server use.

A single 1080 Ti can usearound only 400w. 

A 1050/Ti build (non demanding) use around 200-300w top

So unless you do SLI which is recommended at 800w for 2 way 1080Ti SLI then the definition is wrong

4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • Claiming that you're a content creator just because Ryzen came out.
  • Claiming that you're running a server just because Threadripper/Vega came out.

How is this related to your overkillness

4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • >144 Frames per Second.

You mean 144 Hz right? 

 

4 hours ago, minervx said:
  • Phase changing, liquid nitrogen or any other weird cooling options.

What's wrong with regular AIO?

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A ton of bullshit.

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Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W

 

Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server)

Full Specs

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Helios EVO (Main):

Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14

 

Pacific Spirit XT - Server

Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M

 

Delta - Laptop

ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger

 


 

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