Intel Launches Xeon-W for Workstations

[TheCherryKing]

It's ridiculous how confusing this new platform is! Now we have CPU's across three different sockets(LGA 1151, LGA 2066, LGA 3647) with confusing naming schemes such as Core, Core-X, Xeon, Xeon-W, Xeon Bronze, Xeon Silver, Xeon Gold, and Xeon Platinum! What a mess! They should have just simplified their old naming scheme like this:

 

Xeon E3: Solo CPU LGA 1151

Xeon E5: Dual CPU LGA 3647

Xeon E7: Quad CPU LGA 3647

Xeon E9: Octo CPU LGA 3647

 

All of the Intel Core-X processors should have used the LGA 3647 socket along with the mid-range and high-end Xeons. It's too late the damage has already been done. I'm glad to see that AMD is pursuing a simpler product lineup with only two different sockets. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Well this tells us a lot about the base/boost frequencies of the upcoming Skylake-X processors 
 
i9-7900X vs W-2175 the Xeon has 200Mhz higher boost and same base.

I have noticed that the base and boost frequencies of these processors arent much different.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, TheBeastPC said:

I have noticed that the base and boost frequencies of these processors arent much different.

They're all some version of a branch from the Xeon Gold line. X299 are Xeon-W, just with less features & unlocked multipliers. 

 

Though we do finally have an answer for why KabyLake-X parts exist. They were already doing 4c/8t Xeon-W parts, so someone in corporate probably said, "well, do it for the HEDT as well". 

[Coaxialgamer]

14 hours ago, Ground said:

Btw, is it possible the details on the EPYC 7401P are wrong? AMD shows it as a 24 core, 48 thread and 128 PCIe lane monster... Though its price is probably around 1700$,,,

I actually checked. The 7401p actually retails for 1075$ MSRP

[Ground]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I actually checked. The 7401p actually retails for 1075$ MSRP

It has since been fixed, the 7401p was initially showing as a 16 core with 60 PCIe lanes

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I actually checked. The 7401p actually retails for 1075$ MSRP

to think that competes with the Xeon W-2145 lol.

Xeon W-2145    8/16    3.7 GHz    4.5 GHz    140 W    $1113

[SpaceGhostC2C]

OK, it's official: there are more Intel naming schemes and lineups than airfares on a plane. The final frontier is to sell CPUs individually name like Coca-Cola does with its fans from time to time. "Hey, I just got an i7-Jimmy, because Jimmy".  

 

16 hours ago, Ezzy-525 said:

I agree they're pointless when there are alternatives, but I guess at least they're filling in the gaps on their own product range for the people who only trust Intel. 

I don't think there was a gap in terms of product. I mean, whatever your workstation was for, you are covered by X299 and Xeon (I would even wonder if there's an unnecessary overlap between the two). It's more like a gap on their segmentation strategy, trying to sell the same technology in as many different products as possible. 

[Ezzy-525]

14 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

OK, it's official: there are more Intel naming schemes and lineups than airfares on a plane. The final frontier is to sell CPUs individually name like Coca-Cola does with its fans from time to time. "Hey, I just got an i7-Jimmy, because Jimmy".  

 

I don't think there was a gap in terms of product. I mean, whatever your workstation was for, you are covered by X299 and Xeon (I would even wonder if there's an unnecessary overlap between the two). It's more like a gap on their segmentation strategy, trying to sell the same technology in as many different products as possible. 

That's what I meant. You're spot on that the lower end and higher end serve everyone well...the mid tier is really for people who don't know what they actually want but don't want the cheapest and can't afford the top end.

 

It's for idiots basically.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Ezzy-525 said:

the mid tier is really for people who don't know what they actually want but don't want the cheapest and can't afford the top end.

 

It's for idiots basically.

Or for system builders who want to put Xeon in the specs

 

BTW, I just noticed that there are 2 4C/8T Xeons:

They are basically what the 7740X should have been.

[Dylanc1500]

17 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Or for system builders who want to put Xeon in the specs

 

BTW, I just noticed that there are 2 4C/8T Xeons:

They are basically what the 7740X should have been.

That's because these are workstation specific versions of the X299 SKUs. So it gives you a peak at what the 7980xe will be running at.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

15 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said:

That's because these are workstation specific versions of the X299 SKUs. So it gives you a peak at what the 7980xe will be running at.

I think he's talking about the PCIe lanes. 

[PCGuy_5960]

6 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I think he's talking about the PCIe lanes. 

Yes, I was talking about PCIe lanes and memory channels

[DXMember]

Marketing 18c Xeons for workstation with "Mainstream performance" is that a typo?

[Taf the Ghost]

5 minutes ago, DXMember said:

Marketing 18c Xeons for workstation with "Mainstream performance" is that a typo?

Not really, since there'll be an 18c CPU available on Skylake-X's X299 in a couple of months. So that's in the retail channel, which is technically mainstream.

[Jahramika]

lol

[Dylanc1500]

26 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I think he's talking about the PCIe lanes. 

I know that he was. I was being a little indirect with my statement.

 

19 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes, I was talking about PCIe lanes and memory channels

Yep, which they use the same chips so they might/might not offer more with the "refresh". The possibilities... They're endless! Especially regarding Intel.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Yep, which they use the same chips so they might/might not offer more with the "refresh". The possibilities... They're endless! Especially regarding Intel.

Yeah, but the 7740X is Kabylake-X. I meant that the 7740X should have been based on Skylake-X (like the Xeons) so that it could have more PCIe lanes and quad channel DDR4

[Dylanc1500]

9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, but the 7740X is Kabylake-X. I meant that the 7740X should have been based on Skylake-X (like the Xeons) so that it could have more PCIe lanes and quad channel DDR4

Oops I see my mistake I was getting the different dies and chips mixed up. I was thinking about other skus. You are correct as I was thinking this was a different die. Too much information come across that I have to use A LOT of spreadsheets to keep it straightforward.

[DXMember]

5 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Not really, since there'll be an 18c CPU available on Skylake-X's X299 in a couple of months. So that's in the retail channel, which is technically mainstream.

okay, then 12k gaming is mainstream, yes?

what's an i5 then?

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

what's an i5 then?

When Coffeelake launches, current i5s will become low end i3s

[DXMember]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

When Coffeelake launches, current i5s will become low end i3s

I still don't get it how can they get away with marketing "mainstream performance" as a good thing...

what are the high-end workstation chips then?

or are they referring to high boost clocks almost like mainstream parts have?

[DXMember]

Just now, DXMember said:

I still don't get it how can they get away with marketing "mainstream performance" as a good thing...

what are the high-end workstation chips then?

or are they referring to high boost clocks almost like mainstream parts have?

I want this kind of mainstream workstation laptop...

 

if I recall correctly, either Lenovo or HP had workstation laptops with dual desktop Xeons, up to 128GB ECC RAM and a Quadro card

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, DXMember said:

I still don't get it how can they get away with marketing "mainstream performance" as a good thing..

It's so that herp derp dumbass wants the best they can get for their small business, and they have the 7700K/7900X at home, they go "hey, same performance!" instead of assuming validated and reliable processor = slow.

[leadeater]

8 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

That's because these are workstation specific versions of the X299 SKUs. So it gives you a peak at what the 7980xe will be running at.

Then what the hell are the X299 Skylake-X processors for? lol.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Then what the hell are the X299 Skylake-X processors for? lol.

They're for Done12.

 

 

 

Duh.