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AMD RX Vega & Threadripper Specs & Pricing Discussion

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Jesus christ nvidia. Take 28nm maxwell drop it to 16nm and get huge bumps in clock speeds. So what do they do. DO IT AGAIN. But even if they go to 12nm the difference from 28nm can't be as big. Same with GDDR5X. LET'S JUST CLOCK GDDR5 faster and call it new!!

yeah it won't be as huge as the last shrink but we are still talking a 25% shrink in the process from what I've read thats like a 30% potential boost at the same power draw so you could have the 1180 or 2080 or whatever they end up naming it matching the 1080ti in performance but at 1080 pricing which would absolutely slaughter these Vega cards on a price to performance, really it's all academic at this point as I already bought the GPU I will be using for atleast the next 5 if not 10 years, just saying this is how things are.

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1 minute ago, Abyss Gaming said:

Oh it is supposed to be a refresh? DIdnt know that actually.

Yeah refresh of a refresh. Except the Titan which is suppose to be hella exspensive due to yields with HBM2 as none of the lower end lineup is getting it. Basically the titan is the GPUs in the P100 accelerator 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah refresh of a refresh. Except the Titan which is suppose to be hella exspensive due to yields with HBM2 as none of the lower end lineup is getting it. Basically the titan is the GPUs in the P100 accelerator 

Ah ok then Vega might interest me

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10 minutes ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

granted theres no benchmarks, but I have an ITX board so I don't have that much PSU power to spare in the first place. And if its only comparable to a GTX 1080, then spending $500-600 USD for a slight bump in performance doesn't seem worthwhile. Especially when i was looking for the water cooled edition and thats 699. 

The Nano?

From what I've seen, even the current 1070's smash the older cards pretty handily. For example, the R9 Nano is equivalent to a 970.

9 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

Clearly, my friend, you have never lived in California. In September of 2007, my first full month out of college, my wife and I rented a craphole two-bedroom apartment in San Diego, CA, with a wall-mounted A/C. We ran the wall-mounted A/C about 8 hours a day, and our first power bill as a married couple was $475

 

Trust me when I say that running dual 400W cards in Crossfire in Los Angeles does not a profitable mining operation make.

Guess it depends where you are, because this site states that it's one of the lowest power costs in the country.

http://www.electricitylocal.com/states/california/

 

8 minutes ago, tecggst said:

Not coupons, you actually have to buy all the products in the package.

From the same retailer?

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1 minute ago, Abyss Gaming said:

Ah ok then Vega might interest me

Yeah since DX12 games will actually be coming out and Vulkan Nvidia is going to still be brute forcing FPS while AMD is actually thinking ahead with new tech

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

From the same retailer?

 

Not sure on how the sale will be handled, my source is Paul's Hardware on Youtube, but I would assume that the bundles will only be offered through major retailers like Newegg, Amazon, or physical locations that can handles such a bundled sale

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8 minutes ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

August 14th 

 

Did not notice that in any of the immediate news after the embargo life, according to Anandtech the date was announced only just a bit before the embargo lift. But that's good news, we'll have more detailed reviews in a few weeks

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Not sure on how the sale will be handled, my source is Paul's Hardware on Youtube, but I would assume that the bundles will only be offered through major retailers like Newegg, Amazon, or physical locations that can handles such a bundled sale

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Chances are any kind of real deal will be eliminated if they go that route, seeing as few places have the best price on every item. Hopefully they don't blackout price matching for the bundles.

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I guess we'll have to wait and see. Chances are any kind of real deal will be eliminated if they go that route, seeing as few places have the best price on every item. Hopefully they don't blackout price matching for the bundles.

 

Some sources are stating that it's a discount on one specific Samsung monitor model (The one pictured, CF791 I believe) , and select Ryzen 7 and X370 combos. By limiting the choice AMD is probably making it easier for more retailers to carry the bundles.

 

Instead of bundling games with the cards, AMD is bundling games+hardware. Almost all retailers should already have some setup for bundle sales,and giving that the choices in this bundle are not as varied as initial impressions suggest, most retailers should be able to carry the bundles.

 

Also, the discount is off MSRP.

 

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Some sources are stating that it's a discount on one specific Samsung monitor model (The one pictured, CF791 I believe) , and select Ryzen 7 and X370 combos. By limiting the choice AMD is probably making it easier for more retailers to carry the bundles.

 

Instead of bundling games with the cards, AMD is bundling games+hardware. Almost all retailers should already have some setup for bundle sales,and giving that the choices in this bundle are not as varied as initial impressions suggest, most retailers should be able to carry the bundles.

 

Also, the discount is off MSRP.

 

I can't possibly see them forcing you to buy the hardware package to get the games as well. That would be a completely idiotic way to market your new product.

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I can't possibly see them forcing you to buy the hardware package to get the games as well. That would be a completely idiotic way to market your new product.

 

 

According to Anandtech

 

"As for the contents of the bundle, the bundled games are rather straightforward: the bundle simply comes with the games (presumably in voucher form). For the hardware however, the discounts come in the form of an instant rebate on the hardware, not a voucher or other “bankable” form. This means that if you buy a Radeon Pack SKU, you must buy the discounted hardware at the same time to get the discount. You are not required to buy the hardware – instead paying the $100 premium just for the card selection and included games – but the discounts cannot be saved until later. It’s now or never."

 

 

You can buy the card with just the games, but if you do not add the hardware to your cart as you pay for the bundle, you cannot come back at a later time and expect to cash in on the discount.

 

 

imo, if I ended up buying a Vega, I would buy the hardware and try to flip it on ebay or craigslist for a minor profit.

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According to Anandtech

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You can buy the card with just the games, but if you do not add the hardware to your cart as you pay for the bundle, you cannot come back at a later time and expect to cash in on the discount.

imo, if I ended up buying a Vega, I would buy the hardware and try to flip it on ebay or craigslist for a minor profit.

You likely wouldn't get any form of profit back. The rebates aren't that good.

So I was right. They're bundling the cards with the games.

 

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You likely wouldn't get any form of profit back. The rebates aren't that good.

So I was right. They're bundling the cards with the games.

 

 

 

Did some research and you're right.

 

The CF791 can be bought right now for roughly $200 off of msrp at some online retailers. Ryzen 7 and X370 prices have also dropped from msrp enough that we can buy some combos for more than $100 off msrp.

 

The only real deal here are the games, AMD isn't offering any real deal on the hardware. So if looks like the bundle is entirely an effort to prevent miners buying up all the cards.

 

A $100 premium should prevent miners buying them but the two games should make it a good deal for gamers.

 

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2 minutes ago, tecggst said:

Did some research and you're right.

 

The CF791 can be bought right now for roughly $200 off of msrp at some online retailers. Ryzen 7 and X370 prices have also dropped from msrp enough that we can buy some combos for more than $100 off msrp.

 

The only real deal here are the games, AMD isn't offering any real deal on the hardware. So if looks like the bundle is entirely an effort to prevent miners buying up all the cards.

 

A $100 premium should prevent miners buying them but the two games should make it a good deal for gamers.

Eh not really. It's about what you'd pay for the games anyway...even significantly more, if you're willing to wait for the Steam sale. Miners will buy the cards regardless of a $100 price bump.

Now, if the coupons were just discounts and not off of MSRP, and if they included the Ryzen 5 series (even at a lower discount amount), then it'd be something. But it's not. *sigh* Disappointed by AMD yet again. Hello Intel, old friend.

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Eh not really. It's about what you'd pay for the games anyway...even significantly more, if you're willing to wait for the Steam sale. Miners will buy the cards regardless of a $100 price bump.

Now, if the coupons were just discounts and not off of MSRP, and if they included the Ryzen 5 series (even at a lower discount amount), then it'd be something. But it's not. *sigh* Disappointed by AMD yet again. Hello Intel, old friend.

 

Not a big gamer so I wouldn't know too much about that.

 

I use my rig for mostly CAD and engineering workloads and switched over to Ryzen recently. While some bugs still need to be fixed, the performance increase I noticed switching from an i5 to the Ryzen 1600x (those cpus are what my budget allows for) was pretty significant.

I'm still running a Nvidia 760ti, I'm waiting for some initial impressions of vega running some CAD software to see if should pony up for a Vega 56.

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LET'S JUST CLOCK GDDR5 faster and call it new!!

Want to know who actually made the GDDR5X specification? JEDEC, who is responsible for standardizing the DDR4 specifications, DDR3, and even GDDR5, and anything related to computer and graphics memory. With GDDR5X, it's not like Nvidia developed G5X and JEDEC adopted it, unlike HBM (which was developed by AMD (Lead Developer), SK Hynix (Memory, UMC (Interposer), Amkor Technology and ASE (Packaging), and according to AMD, was not very easy, and would be impossible without these partners).

 

You can download all of their standards and documents for further reading from JEDEC, but you'll have to register an account, which isn't the easiest thing (You'll need to specify a company, and they legally can, like anyone else, verify the validity of that information).

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The top cards will be such a commercial failure. This will be the undoing of the Vega line, what a disappointment. To think AMD had a shot at putting these near a competitive price, but instead chose to be MORE expensive then the competition at a similar performance. These cards are 8 months too late, and over priced. These will be another dud in the AMD GPU highend lineup. 

 

If Vega 64 is = or more expensive then the better performing 1080, its a failure. If vega 54 is = or more then the 1070, its a failure and will not sell that well.

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6 hours ago, dizmo said:

I still see miners buying the cards, regardless of a slight price increase. It might result in a flood of coupons on eBay though, so if they're transferable some people might still manage some good deals :P

 

I was super stoked on Vega, but 300w? Really? I don't have as huge hope for these cards anymore.

Though the two included games are, for once, both games I want.

Vega frontier edition was about as good as an RX 580 in terms of hash rate so there's no point in buying a Vega card for mining. 

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300w hahah and here I thought the 250w of my TITAN X's was too much already, we all love Ryzen but Vega didn't meet any expectation being realistic.

 

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4 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

Vega frontier edition was about as good as an RX 580 in terms of hash rate so there's no point in buying a Vega card for mining. 

It won't stop larger mining set ups from buying them. At the end of the day, profit is still profit, even if it is at a much lower value. 

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10 hours ago, dizmo said:

The Nano?

From what I've seen, even the current 1070's smash the older cards pretty handily. For example, the R9 Nano is equivalent to a 970.

R9 Nano is a bit slower than a normal R9 Fury, meaning it's equivalent to a 980 as the Fury is faster than a 980.

 

I had an R9 Fury, once it's OC'd it can match an FE 1070 in firestrike.

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This release is weird...The information is all over the place.

Linus is saying different thing from the thread in news section.

So I have to pay $100 more for the bundle if I want to get a vega 64?

I already have a free sync monitor and don't need a new system any time soon. Does that mean I'm screwed?

I hope this is a north america thing because a global rebate system would be total chaos.

 

Reading from more sites it seems the bundle-only card would be the limited edition. Fine for me as I hate the two triangles logo anywayxD A normal one will do.

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Is it just me or are these packs insane value? Like the Radeon Red Pack is $499 and includes the GFX, MoBo and CPU or am I missing something? 

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when will these bundles become available?

and will my corsair 600 watt run exerything or should i just go ahead and build a whole new rig and just reuse my current case?

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42 minutes ago, Medicate said:

Is it just me or are these packs insane value? Like the Radeon Red Pack is $499 and includes the GFX, MoBo and CPU or am I missing something? 

No, it gives you a discount on the hardware. The question of whether it is worth it is if the CPU/Mobo combo is just MSRP on both or if they're talking about bundles sold for X already available at the vendors in question. Unfortunately the specific details are not available yet.

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