Don't count with LCD leaving the mobile market with the recent amount of OLED phones arriving on the market

[TheGunzPT]

Been discussing this with many people in the last couple of weeks, that with the amount of OLED phones coming out most say people that LCD will only be used in Low End phones until OLED replaces them.

 

Funny enough, Android Authority did a great article regarding LCD future and how it might come back in the end to save us all in terms of Hi Res Panels.

 

The article starts with discussing that the issue is that neither LCD nor OLED panels offer 100 percent efficient light output. Some of the light produced is lost or blocked by other essential display components. In the LCD space, the backlight has to pass through filters, which aren’t 100 percent efficient, and the pixel controlling transistor also takes up a notable amount of space that blocks some light in every sub-pixel

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OLED is not immune to this problem either, although losses come in a different form. Each pixel also requires a complex transistor layer but this is hidden under the light emitting part in an OLED panel. Even so, close groupings of the TFTs cause resistive and capacitive energy losses, meaning more power required to drive the same brightness at higher resolutions.  A reflection mitigating polarizer is also needed, which again isn’t fully efficient and also causes some light loss.

 

So the higher our display resolutions more power is required to drive a display’s LEDs or backlight to achieve good visibility in daylight, and the more power the display consumes. The move towards HDR content compounds this issue, with darker blacks and brighter whites required to increase dynamic range. Clearly, that’s directly opposed to consumer demands for better battery life, but there are some technological innovations that can address this very issue.

More info on the article, here

Great read for panels enthusiasts like me.

[Jito463]

I was confused when I read the title.  I couldn't figure out who LDC was, or why I cared about them in the mobile market. 

[The Benjamins]

8 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

I was confused when I read the title.  I couldn't figure out who LDC was, or why I cared about them in the mobile market. 

It is a Liquid Display Crystal, it is basically like a Crystal Ball like object

[TheGunzPT]

24 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

I was confused when I read the title.  I couldn't figure out who LDC was, or why I cared about them in the mobile market. 

Aye,  my bad sorry. 

 

Still trying to get used to GBoard on iOS

[Doobeedoo]

I just hope we see OLED monitors to start appearing.

[sof006]

I still prefer LCD to OLED any day. No screen burn and the colours looks better instead of being overly exaggerated on OLED. 

[dizmo]

I don't think anyone expected OLED panels to completely take over the phone space, but honestly I could see them taking over the high end space. At least for the next few years. Apple is switching to them, LG is switching to them, and most other phone manufacturers already use them. LCD isn't terrible, there are good panels, it's just the lower end ones that leave most people with a bad impression of the technology.

 

It'd be nice if some of the advancements were actually implemented, like the elimination of one of the filter layers allowing for 50% less battery consumption.

 

8 minutes ago, sof006 said:

I still prefer LCD to OLED any day. No screen burn and the colours looks better instead of being overly exaggerated on OLED. 

I've never had screen burn issues with an OLED panel on a phone...

[sof006]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

I don't think anyone expected OLED panels to completely take over the phone space, but honestly I could see them taking over the high end space. At least for the next few years. Apple is switching to them, LG is switching to them, and most other phone manufacturers already use them. LCD isn't terrible, there are good panels, it's just the lower end ones that leave most people with a bad impression of the technology.

 

It'd be nice if some of the advancements were actually implemented, like the elimination of one of the filter layers allowing for 50% less battery consumption.

 

I've never had screen burn issues with an OLED panel on a phone...

You will have, you just haven't noticed them. You'll notice it usually where the on screen buttons are or the notification bar along the top of your phone. Load up a grey background colour on your screen and you'll see it.

[VerticalDiscussions]

OLED 4life:

 

[iamdarkyoshi]

3 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

I just hope we see OLED monitors to start appearing.

I wouldn't be able to use them since I'm OCD about screenburn, even on my phone I invert the colours every once in a while to present the screen with a negative image, reverting any screenburn the navbar might have

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I wouldn't be able to use them since I'm OCD about screenburn, even on my phone I invert the colours every once in a while to present the screen with a negative image, reverting any screenburn the navbar might have

another reason why i wont buy any phone with OLED display ^{there goes 99% of android high end smartphones}

[iamdarkyoshi]

Just now, themctipers said:

another reason why i wont buy any phone with OLED display ^{there goes 99% of android high end smartphones}

Or iphone, next one is oled

[themctipers]

Just now, iamdarkyoshi said:

Or iphone, next one is oled

no
either way i will have to stick with my 6s for a few more years..

[Zodiark1593]

6 minutes ago, themctipers said:

no
either way i will have to stick with my 6s for a few more years..

Some Chinese flagships have pretty decent LCD panels with otherwise high end specs. The stock software tends to be pretty terrible though.

[Doobeedoo]

27 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I wouldn't be able to use them since I'm OCD about screenburn, even on my phone I invert the colours every once in a while to present the screen with a negative image, reverting any screenburn the navbar might have

It got improved though. Also you wont leave desktop without letting monitor turn off or maybe screen saver. Maybe I can understand where certain program interface persist for ong tine while you work all day. Though it ca be great in many ways. For high end gaming monitor it would be amazing. You're in game mostly so color shift and change across all pixels all the time. 

I hope they improve it further as far as burn in issue. I mean even non OLED displays I've seen burn ins so. 

[iamdarkyoshi]

12 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

maybe screen saver.

Figured microshit would remove them

[Doobeedoo]

6 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Figured microshit would remove them

Hah

[TheGunzPT]

16 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I wouldn't be able to use them since I'm OCD about screenburn, even on my phone I invert the colours every once in a while to present the screen with a negative image, reverting any screenburn the navbar might have

Had every Samsung phone since S3 and never once I had a screenburn on OLED.

 

However, I'm using a IP7 Plus right and I do notice the difference in terms of panel quality to LCD.

 

But hey, nothing beats a stable OS in my opinion.

[Trixanity]

15 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Figured microshit would remove them

I think the hardware itself can shift the pixels around to mitigate burn-in. At least on something like a monitor or laptop where space isn't as premium and additional hardware can be implemented.

[LAwLz]

17 hours ago, sof006 said:

I still prefer LCD to OLED any day. No screen burn and the colours looks better instead of being overly exaggerated on OLED. 

Screen burn in might be an issue, but the colors being "overly exaggerated" is not at all a problem of OLED. Some manufacturers might make the display look exaggerated, but that's their choice and not an inherent issue of the panel.

Look at Samsung's Galaxy S and Note phones for example. In terms of color they are pretty damn close to being perfect.

 

 

17 hours ago, dizmo said:

I've never had screen burn issues with an OLED panel on a phone...

I had it with my Galaxy S 2. Not really enough for it to be noticeable in everyday use before I replaced it, but if you full-screened a completely white image you could clearly see that the notification area was a completely different color and brightness than the rest of the screen.

I mean, that's the whole reason why Samsung implemented the transparent notification bar. So that the screen would wear out evenly.

 

Not sure how modern OLED screens stacks up but wear was totally an issue back in the early days.

[mr moose]

I really don't care about which technology is actually being used.  You get good and bad implementations of everything these days and a good looking screen is a good looking screen. . 

[TheGunzPT]

31 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Screen burn in might be an issue, but the colors being "overly exaggerated" is not at all a problem of OLED. Some manufacturers might make the display look exaggerated, but that's their choice and not an inherent issue of the panel.

Look at Samsung's Galaxy S and Note phones for example. In terms of color they are pretty damn close to being perfect.

 

 

I had it with my Galaxy S 2. Not really enough for it to be noticeable in everyday use before I replaced it, but if you full-screened a completely white image you could clearly see that the notification area was a completely different color and brightness than the rest of the screen.

I mean, that's the whole reason why Samsung implemented the transparent notification bar. So that the screen would wear out evenly.

 

Not sure how modern OLED screens stacks up but wear was totally an issue back in the early days.

Depends on software/screen calibration but overall you could adapt both Note / S line up pretty well to standards.

 

I use them over the year so it's kinda normal I don't get screen burn in I guess

[Sniperfox47]

Yeah, screen burn in is *heavily* dependent on the panel for AMOLED.

 

My 6P? Atrocious screen burn in. Whites look clearly yellow and the navbar is like very very whiter.

 

My Pixel? After nearly as much time as I used my 6P for (few months less atm), the screen burn in is completely unnoticeable.

 

Do a 2 hour burn reduction on both phones nightly on days I use them. The Pixel has probably seen more screen-on time overall too, because I can actually use it for more than a few hours without the battery being totally dead.

 

Newer panels overprovision blue pixels too, and tune them over the life of the screen, to help prevent the yellowing that some phones deal with.

 

P.S. AMOLED won't replace LCD, but down the road AMQLED totally could. I don't mean Samsung's current "QLED" lcd panels with quantum dot backlights, I mean the original QLED they announced that a number of manufacturers are working on, where you use Quantum Dots as an emission layer in the same way as OLEDs.

 

AMQLED has the benefits of *much* higher durability, especially on blues, substantially higher brightness, and cheaper large scale production than OLED, but they're currently still working on setting up production of it.

 

Last I heard, Samsung's estimate for it to arrive was 2018 for them, and a couple other display manufacturers weren't far behind that.

 

And yes, I know AMQLED isn't a term that's actually used, but I need a way to differentiate actual QLED panels from samsung's "QLED" lcd TVs.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Sniperfox47