Police of Berlin is inquiring the cell phone data of all Berliners every 11 days

[jaggysnake57]

17 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Says they may integrate in the future however it does not refute that they are in poverty and causing crimes right now. Not only that but all you had to do to see my claim is true is turn on the news. What happened in Germany with the massive gang rape was just one example. 

you mean this one

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

[Trik'Stari]

British actor doing a Russian accent:

"Privacy is not a major concern of the European Union, Comrade, It's contrary to the collective good"

 

 

Bonus points to anyone who gets the reference.

[MadyTehWolfie]

24 minutes ago, jaggysnake57 said:

you mean this one

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

Yeah not going to trust any sources from the UK they have a nasty habit of censoring everything that does fit their narrative. #fakenews #UKCoverupstory

[handymanshandle]

On 7/27/2017 at 7:52 AM, SCHISCHKA said:

It will only drive up the cost of weed as every dealer will need a new phone every 11 days

Can confirm, I used to only need to get a phone every month to every two months, now I almost have to get one every week. It has forced me to raise the prices of all my drugs 420 times their original price. /S

[jaggysnake57]

9 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Yeah not going to trust any sources from the UK they have a nasty habit of censoring everything that does fit their narrative. #fakenews #UKCoverupstory

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, jaggysnake57 said:

Hilarious isn't it. Disregarding sources that don't agree with them. The mental gymnastics required are something out of this world. Not that that particular user isn't already having a few screws loose up there.

[MadyTehWolfie]

2 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

 

2 hours ago, coolkingler1 said:

Hilarious isn't it. Disregarding sources that don't agree with them. The mental gymnastics required are something out of this world. Not that that particular user isn't already having a few screws loose up there.

No it's just that every other news source seems to not support the same story told by that UK source. Do a quick Google search and you'll see. But hey if you want Germany to be the next rape capital of the world after Sweden be my guest least the USA won't be turned into cucks like Merkel did for Germany and it's people.

[PlayStation 2]

As a small government type of guy, this creeps me the fuck out. You cannot tell me it's necessary to collect data on people every 11 or so days to "stop crime". There's gotta be way more than what the surface implies. 

[MadyTehWolfie]

3 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

you mean this one

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-attacks-what-happened-after-1000-women-were-sexually-assaulted-a6867071.html

 

Same source claiming the new years cologne attack did indeed happen. Think you need better sources my friend. They seem to be changing their stories a bit too much. Title clearly says after the attack. People that claim the rapes never happened in Cologne Germany are not unlike the holocuast deniers. Sad truly sad.

[Prysin]

On 27/07/2017 at 2:44 PM, Okjoek said:

Security vs Privacy is such a tricky thing to balance especially as political establishments of the status quo are challenged by ever-growing polarized radical movements from those who want little-no government influence to those who want most-total government control.

oh please, everyone knows that these broad stroke mass surveillance stuff NEVER works as intended, but instead works as a political tool for the established forces to stamp out dissents by labeling them "hateful" or "threatening", despite most of the stuff they hunt people down for, was OFFICIAL POLICY among multiple parties 30-40 years ago, and we werent exactly raging racists in the 80s and 90s, despite what the media tries to tell us.

 

 

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-attacks-what-happened-after-1000-women-were-sexually-assaulted-a6867071.html

 

Same source claiming the new years cologne attack did indeed happen. Think you need better sources my friend. They seem to be changing their stories a bit too much. Title clearly says after the attack. People that claim the rapes never happened in Cologne Germany are not unlike the holocuast deniers. Sad truly sad.

but but but but, men from a deep rooted patriarchy who are used to oppressing women and treat them as a objective possession rather then a person cannot possibly be rude to women!!! Just doesnt make sense. They are walking on western ground, they are drinking western water, they MUST be just as liberal and tolerant as the people who has lived there since the dawn of time!!!

[the MBK]

I don't know what political agenda I expected most people in this forum to have. But this wasn't it.

A bit like not liberal, at all. That's somewhat surprising.

[MadyTehWolfie]

32 minutes ago, Prysin said:

but but but but, men from a deep rooted patriarchy who are used to oppressing women and treat them as a objective possession rather then a person cannot possibly be rude to women!!! Just doesnt make sense. They are walking on western ground, they are drinking western water, they MUST be just as liberal and tolerant as the people who has lived there since the dawn of time!!!

Every time you bring up these things that happen, they deny it in a effort to not look racist so they can show everyone how tolerant they are. It's funny feminists attack Western values but when you bring up Islam and the middle East they don't dare say a word against them because in their intersectional globalist views they are more oppressed so they can do no wrong. Yet I get told I'm a few screws lose when these countries have show they actively silence all negetive speech that doesn't fit their narrative about the people who migrated there. They also try to virtue signal for trans people and ethnic people like we are a damn victim class. 

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Every time you bring up these things that happen, they deny it in a effort to not look racist so they can show everyone how tolerant they are. It's funny feminists attack Western values but when you bring up Islam and the middle East they don't dare say a word against them because in their intersectional globalist views they are more oppressed so they can do no wrong. Yet I get told I'm a few screws lose when these countries have show they actively silence all negetive speech that doesn't fit their narrative about the people who migrated there. They also try to virtue signal for trans people and ethnic people like we are a damn victim class. 

A few more "Rotherham"'s and the whole shit will be solved. By force or by word, but it will be solved. The public wont be played anymore

[PlayStation 2]

12 minutes ago, the MBK said:

I don't know what political agenda I expected most people in this forum to have. But this wasn't it.

A bit like not liberal, at all. That's somewhat surprising.

That's because the majority of liberals here don't come to these threads.

[Prysin]

52 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

That's because the majority of liberals here don't come to these threads.

Also because their arguments are weak atm. Liberals aren't rooted, they need to rework their base, rework their arguments and strengthen their following.

 

[the MBK]

5 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Also because their arguments are weak atm. Liberals aren't rooted, they need to rework their base, rework their arguments and strengthen their following.

 

Maybe in your country, but I don't see liberals being weak in general. In my country for instance a (far, though that depends on how you define far) left president just got elected last year. The only thing I see, in general, is populists (mostly far right ones) becoming more and more popular (well, that's already in their name).

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, the MBK said:

Maybe in your country, but I don't see liberals being weak in general. In my country for instance a (far, though that depends on how you define far) left president just got elected last year. The only thing I see, in general, is populists (mostly far right ones) becoming more and more popular (well, that's already in their name).

ask yourself this question; are they "far right", or simply right?

 

The irony is that the left want to paint ALL right of center as "far right neo nazis"... Whilst, for now, the right is being a bit more generous and labeling the left in three stages; Liberal, Socialist, Communist.....

 

The irony is, most of the policies peddled by "populist far right" parties, where the bread and butter policies of the moderate right 30 years ago.

 

So ask yourself this before you believe in the "far right" narrative; How "Racist" "xenophobic" "white supremacy" was the average joe 30 years ago? Would you say they were "Nazis" back then? Or are they "nazis" now?

 

Most of the policies picked up on these forums, they arent that "far right".... because you can go A LOT further right if you want to. Most views are actually quite moderately conservative. Heck, most of what i see people advocate for is mostly centrist policy, a dash of right here, a dash of left there. But for the left leaning establishment of globalists and genocide deniers, everything right of Nome Chompsky is a litteral nazi.. And that is just plain disingenious.

[SCHISCHKA]

7 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

i like how in the same post you say governments cant be trusted then cite a government report

you are blowing that logic out but cant completely agree with it, you really cant trust every source. I can actually give you a fairly recent government report that shows blatant bias towards the opinion of the ruling party, the 2016 TA foreign driver report literally skewed the way they counted to reconfirm the party line that they were ok to continue sitting on their thumbs while describing 22 deaths, or ~7% of the road toll, was described as statistically insignificant.

 

The report you have given me really confirms that refugees are more likely to be unemployed than a native or legal migrant. That was the original argument wasn't it? 

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what a load of ignorant crap.  for one its well documented that refugees are less likely to commit crime more likely to get work,  more likely to start there own business.

It doesn't go into detail like the report i gave you but it does show a much higher rate of unemployment which takes a decade or two to catch up to natives. 10-20 years to reach the same employment rates as natives is not what i would describe as "more likely to get work".

It mentions some things that a local native would not like to hear, such as work participation can be increased by lowering the minimum wage, and providing wage subsidies. No f-ing way i would vote for that.

"Granting temporary and limited exceptions from minimum wages for refugees may also be helpful."

"For instance, in Austria and Germany, the obligation should be dropped for employers to prove that they were unable to find a so-called “preferred employee” (that is, a national of an EU country, an EEA country, or a recognized refugee) for a job before offering the job to an asylum-seeker with a work permit."

If i was a native in these countries, there is no way I would support moves like this. We have a shoddy system here in NZ and we are fast rising up the international slavery and exploitation rankings.

Wage subsidies are dangerous we have had disasters with them in NZ where productivity stalls, tax payer gets ripped off, and workers get exploited and pinned to poverty wages. 

 

You will see this in europe, a weird twist of national socialism, something i call economic facism, where all the brown skinned people perform menial labour under exploitative rules and less income than citizens while citizens sit back on the dole and enjoy their cheap lattes served by a migrant earning under the table. 

 

[MadyTehWolfie]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

ask yourself this question; are they "far right", or simply right?

 

The irony is that the left want to paint ALL right of center as "far right neo nazis"... Whilst, for now, the right is being a bit more generous and labeling the left in three stages; Liberal, Socialist, Communist.....

 

The irony is, most of the policies peddled by "populist far right" parties, where the bread and butter policies of the moderate right 30 years ago.

 

So ask yourself this before you believe in the "far right" narrative; How "Racist" "xenophobic" "white supremacy" was the average joe 30 years ago? Would you say they were "Nazis" back then? Or are they "nazis" now?

 

Most of the policies picked up on these forums, they arent that "far right".... because you can go A LOT further right if you want to. Most views are actually quite moderately conservative. Heck, most of what i see people advocate for is mostly centrist policy, a dash of right here, a dash of left there. But for the left leaning establishment of globalists and genocide deniers, everything right of Nome Chompsky is a litteral nazi.. And that is just plain disingenious.

Mexico and Canada have stricter immigration policies then the USA yet we always get craped on for our policy which is to just come in legally. You don't need to prove you have a job or your health status like I'm Canada and you don't need to be making more then the average home owner like in Mexico. Germany has shown how liberal they are and honestly most of the ideas pushed by liberals and far leftists have more in common with what the Nazis wanted in the 1940's where as the Republicans are libertarians. So not only is it more into with the political ideologies of the Nazis but commies as well. Hitler and commies wanted to take your guns, have huge social safety net, free healthcare all of which the commies and Nazis had as a part of their ideologies in one way or another. God forbid we want people to pay their own way. This is why Trump got elected and if liberals don't change how they view others with differing ideologies and start coming back to reality we'll have Trump next election too. An the who tranny ban from the military had them all crazy when to be honest after dealing with the issues that come with it and seeing how others were dealing with issues as well. We don't need to be in the military where it's a matter of life and death, hell even on the forums here and at my school you miss gender someone and they have a little bitch fit over it.

[MadyTehWolfie]

I'll just leave this here for anyone who wants stats and info on the refugees crisis. Much like in the USA it's up the the republican/libertarians to speak the truth on these matters. I'm worried for Canada though didn't they talk about taking in refugee....I mean migrants because in order to be a refugee you have to go to the countries closest to you not travel to the best countries that offer you social welfare programs (usually socialist ideas that lead to people using the government which causes deeper social issues cough cough just like the poor communities in the USA)

[the MBK]

8 hours ago, Prysin said:

ask yourself this question; are they "far right", or simply right?

 

The irony is that the left want to paint ALL right of center as "far right neo nazis"... Whilst, for now, the right is being a bit more generous and labeling the left in three stages; Liberal, Socialist, Communist.....

 

The irony is, most of the policies peddled by "populist far right" parties, where the bread and butter policies of the moderate right 30 years ago.

 

So ask yourself this before you believe in the "far right" narrative; How "Racist" "xenophobic" "white supremacy" was the average joe 30 years ago? Would you say they were "Nazis" back then? Or are they "nazis" now?

 

Most of the policies picked up on these forums, they arent that "far right".... because you can go A LOT further right if you want to. Most views are actually quite moderately conservative. Heck, most of what i see people advocate for is mostly centrist policy, a dash of right here, a dash of left there. But for the left leaning establishment of globalists and genocide deniers, everything right of Nome Chompsky is a litteral nazi.. And that is just plain disingenious.

Sorry that was me generalizing there. I mean far right when I say far right, but I wasn't considering that you might see a different Picture, depending on your region. For my part, I was referencing (mostly eastern) European parties that are quite far right (though that still depends on your point of view) but you seem to think I was talking about more moderate right parties. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I know that the policies on this forum are nothing like far right, I would mostly call them conservative.

[jaggysnake57]

13 hours ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-attacks-what-happened-after-1000-women-were-sexually-assaulted-a6867071.html

 

Same source claiming the new years cologne attack did indeed happen. Think you need better sources my friend. They seem to be changing their stories a bit too much. Title clearly says after the attack. People that claim the rapes never happened in Cologne Germany are not unlike the holocuast deniers. Sad truly sad.

right 1 colonge and frankfurt are 2 different places, 2 the story yo linked to is before the story i did. and 3 even in cologne there have been 6 convictions out of some 500 suspects.......6

9 hours ago, Prysin said:

Also because their arguments are weak atm. Liberals aren't rooted, they need to rework their base, rework their arguments and strengthen their following.

 

librels arguments are rooted in fact. not opinion. 

9 hours ago, Prysin said:

ask yourself this question; are they "far right", or simply right?

 

The irony is that the left want to paint ALL right of center as "far right neo nazis"... Whilst, for now, the right is being a bit more generous and labeling the left in three stages; Liberal, Socialist, Communist.....

 

The irony is, most of the policies peddled by "populist far right" parties, where the bread and butter policies of the moderate right 30 years ago.

 

So ask yourself this before you believe in the "far right" narrative; How "Racist" "xenophobic" "white supremacy" was the average joe 30 years ago? Would you say they were "Nazis" back then? Or are they "nazis" now?

 

Most of the policies picked up on these forums, they arent that "far right".... because you can go A LOT further right if you want to. Most views are actually quite moderately conservative. Heck, most of what i see people advocate for is mostly centrist policy, a dash of right here, a dash of left there. But for the left leaning establishment of globalists and genocide deniers, everything right of Nome Chompsky is a litteral nazi.. And that is just plain disingenious.

any people who discriminate against other people baised purley on the skin colour or religon are far fight im afraid and using the argument "it was ok 30 years ago" is laughable. 

9 hours ago, SCHISCHKA said:

you are blowing that logic out but cant completely agree with it, you really cant trust every source. I can actually give you a fairly recent government report that shows blatant bias towards the opinion of the ruling party, the 2016 TA foreign driver report literally skewed the way they counted to reconfirm the party line that they were ok to continue sitting on their thumbs while describing 22 deaths, or ~7% of the road toll, was described as statistically insignificant.

 

The report you have given me really confirms that refugees are more likely to be unemployed than a native or legal migrant. That was the original argument wasn't it? 

It doesn't go into detail like the report i gave you but it does show a much higher rate of unemployment which takes a decade or two to catch up to natives. 10-20 years to reach the same employment rates as natives is not what i would describe as "more likely to get work".

It mentions some things that a local native would not like to hear, such as work participation can be increased by lowering the minimum wage, and providing wage subsidies. No f-ing way i would vote for that.

"Granting temporary and limited exceptions from minimum wages for refugees may also be helpful."

"For instance, in Austria and Germany, the obligation should be dropped for employers to prove that they were unable to find a so-called “preferred employee” (that is, a national of an EU country, an EEA country, or a recognized refugee) for a job before offering the job to an asylum-seeker with a work permit."

If i was a native in these countries, there is no way I would support moves like this. We have a shoddy system here in NZ and we are fast rising up the international slavery and exploitation rankings.

Wage subsidies are dangerous we have had disasters with them in NZ where productivity stalls, tax payer gets ripped off, and workers get exploited and pinned to poverty wages. 

 

You will see this in europe, a weird twist of national socialism, something i call economic facism, where all the brown skinned people perform menial labour under exploitative rules and less income than citizens while citizens sit back on the dole and enjoy their cheap lattes served by a migrant earning under the table. 

 

i give up you give people all the facts and they just ignore it........ill leave you with this......if new zealand is in such a bad situation why is its economy still growing? why is its GDP on the rise? migrants add more to the country they settle in than take out...FACT

[SCHISCHKA]

2 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

i give up you give people all the facts and they just ignore it........ill leave you with this......if new zealand is in such a bad situation why is its economy still growing? why is its GDP on the rise? migrants add more to the country they settle in than take out...FACT

oh careful now. You gave me the facts. I explained them to you, but you cannot accept the truth. You cannot tell me where it says that refugees are more likely to find work because it does not. It says they takes decades to catch up to native employment participation rates and they need special subsidies, education, and less than minimum wages. These are not good things.

 

NZ GDP has increased because its population has increased from 4 to 4.5million. GDP per capita has not changed, and this is important because we have a housing crises; NZ is full, and we have people with children and jobs living in their cars.

Productivity has not changed. We still have a huge dependency on agriculture exports. Refugees and immigrants do not increase our exports. You see people are a cost to our economy, less resources to go around, but produce from the land has production limits.

We are calling immigration a ponzi scam because the driving reason for immigration has shown itself to be immigration itself. You need to be aware that the original justification for mass immigration was because EVERYONE who was competent was going to australia and NZ's unemployment dropped below 3%, about 13 years ago was the peak.

Would you like some evidence that immigration is holding down wages?

Would you like to watch an investigative report on how the RSE scheme has forced kiwis out of horticulture?

Would you like some evidence that show industries asking for migrants are also regularly breaking employment law and exploiting migrants?

Would you accept these if I gave them to you or are so invested in your political views that you cannot handle it?

Every political party, except the greens, this election has a plan to wean NZ off their mass immigration drug, because we have seen it, the country is full, and we need to start paying the long term costs of this ponzi scam we were sold.

Please be very careful when you jump to assumptions, this is not something I started researching yesterday. It is election year and these are well discussed topics.

[jaggysnake57]

50 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

oh careful now. You gave me the facts. I explained them to you, but you cannot accept the truth. You cannot tell me where it says that refugees are more likely to find work because it does not. It says they takes decades to catch up to native employment participation rates and they need special subsidies, education, and less than minimum wages. These are not good things.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/04/refugees-are-australias-most-entrepreneurial-migrants-says-research

https://fee.org/articles/immigrants-are-twice-as-likely-to-start-a-business-lets-let-them/

50 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

 

Would you like some evidence that immigration is holding down wages?

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages

specifically

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Empirical research on the labour market effects of immigration to the UK finds little overall adverse effects of immigration on wages and employment for the UK-born...The less skilled are closer substitutes for immigrants than the more highly skilled. So any pressures from increased competition for jobs is more likely to be found among less skilled workers. But these effects are small (Manacorda et al, 2011; Dustmann et al, 2005, 2013; Nickell and Saleheen, 2008).

 

50 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

Would you like some evidence that show industries asking for migrants are also regularly breaking employment law and exploiting migrants?

Would you accept these if I gave them to you or are so invested in your political views that you cannot handle it?

Every political party, except the greens, this election has a plan to wean NZ off their mass immigration drug, because we have seen it, the country is full, and we need to start paying the long term costs of this ponzi scam we were sold.

Please be very careful when you jump to assumptions, this is not something I started researching yesterday. It is election year and these are well discussed topics.

most of the issue you raise are local to NZ again is this a refugee problem or a NZ problem

 

im done with this argument its massively off topic and will get the thread locked the evidence is out there if you choose to look.......i used to be massively anti immigration and refugee and raciest but looking at the facts changed that....