The NSA tracks peoples' porn habits in order to discredit "radicalizers"

[Mooshi]

Funny how they left out the many cases of people working within the government caught with child porn. Let's just focus on some Muslims looking at tits..because that totally makes me feel safe.

[GoldenTree]

Sure, it seems fun no matter what end of it you're on.

 

LOL you are killing me

 

Golden

[beebskadoo]

Yes because I have actual facts where you have, "I should know."

You want to see the REAL Edward Snowden, fine. Lets do this for REAL

Here we have Edward Snowden admitting that he sought employment with the mission to gain access to classified information.

Here we have Edward Snowden admitting he fabricated digital keys to gain access to classified information he should never have access to.

Isn't really funny that this "man" who believes in no secrets had to go to ground for a while, and decide to keep his locations secret? Isn't that ironic at all?

Isn't it weird that this "man" was employed by BAH for about 3 months then in a flash he is in Hong Kong with laptops worth of classified data? He's a common thief, imagine that, right? And when he got to Hong Kong, who was waiting for him, staff of Wikileaks. Oh imagine that, it might have been a setup all along! Because running to the Chinese and Wikileaks is someone who is upstanding, right?

Has anyone cared to wonder why if he is hailed such a hero, why he isn't willing to be judged by his fellow citizens instead of running to Mother Russia?

People are calling him a "hero" because he exposed what was going on inside the US. Okay, whats your excuse now that he has revealed information that really did effect outside the US Borders? Like say who created Stuxnet which targeted Irans nuclear program? That effected REAL intelligence, real actual operations! But hey, he must be such a "hero".

Edit: How about when he revealed hacking into Chinese computers? Was that okay to reveal?

why are you putting the word 'man' in quotes... Are you saying he's a woman or a robot?

[Mooshi]

why are you putting the word 'man' in quotes... Are you saying he's a woman or a robot?

 

 

 

I had to

 

On a serious note, regardless of the methods Snowden used to obtain this information to expose to the world, it still doesn't change the fact government spying is bullshit. The NSA has done more harm to relations than it did to actually stop a catastrophe.

[afa7336]

People shouldn't be afraid of the things they are into. The fact that they can get that information and blackmail people because it is 'wrong' even though it is stuff you really like proves that it shouldn't be wrong.

 

But that's just my opinion.

 

 

why are you putting the word 'man' in quotes... Are you saying he's a woman or a robot?

 

Because honestly, the guy is acting like a little kid, going and blasting the United States for this and that, and running into the arms of Russia. Which, if you looked into things better (which honestly I doubt anyone ever will, because facts don't matter so much) they would find Russia a whole lot worse.

 

I understand they are trying to defend the country, but they could do so with serious investigations, analyzing backgrounds, surveillance on sensitive areas, etc. Not by using the p0rn card... that's ridiculous.

 

I think people are missing the point of using this information. It isn't the US judging, its the radicals judging each other. Remember, this is a part of the world, where a whole lot of people believe that you can do lots of things in the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed, just like Christians do some pretty awful things in the name of God (past and present). They believe, I might add, that it is okay to stone and execute people that are gay. It is against their belief. I've read the Koran, and also know which words they twist to mean what. This has been going on in one form or another, for a very long time. Just because its porn, doesn't make it any different. Agents have been turned on both sides of the fence for far less then what kind of porn they watched. Hell, Robert Hanssen (one of ours, that literally caused the death of hundreds of our Agents and gave over valuable Intelligence) was motivated by money. That is far worse, and a lot easier to corrupt, I add. 

 

 

 

But overall, to everyone reading this, I have a question or two I have asked several times. But surprisingly not a single darn person on this forum seems to ever want to answer it. So I will ask it again, and see if I will get an answer this time. (doubtful).

 

1. If there was a planned terrorist attack that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government do to stop it?

2. If there was a threat that no one knew about, that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government access to, to find out about this plot?

 

My answers? 1. Anything and everything. 2. Anything and everything.

[beebskadoo]

This thread is killing my buzz. I'm not even drunk...

Oops there goes my erection too

Dang it

[AndThenThereWas1]

[h3ll0]

Private browsing my ass <_<

[Zeo2002]

Because honestly, the guy is acting like a little kid, going and blasting the United States for this and that, and running into the arms of Russia. Which, if you looked into things better (which honestly I doubt anyone ever will, because facts don't matter so much) they would find Russia a whole lot worse.

 

 

I think people are missing the point of using this information. It isn't the US judging, its the radicals judging each other. Remember, this is a part of the world, where a whole lot of people believe that you can do lots of things in the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed, just like Christians do some pretty awful things in the name of God (past and present). They believe, I might add, that it is okay to stone and execute people that are gay. It is against their belief. I've read the Koran, and also know which words they twist to mean what. This has been going on in one form or another, for a very long time. Just because its porn, doesn't make it any different. Agents have been turned on both sides of the fence for far less then what kind of porn they watched. Hell, Robert Hanssen (one of ours, that literally caused the death of hundreds of our Agents and gave over valuable Intelligence) was motivated by money. That is far worse, and a lot easier to corrupt, I add. 

 

 

 

But overall, to everyone reading this, I have a question or two I have asked several times. But surprisingly not a single darn person on this forum seems to ever want to answer it. So I will ask it again, and see if I will get an answer this time. (doubtful).

 

1. If there was a planned terrorist attack that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government do to stop it?

2. If there was a threat that no one knew about, that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government access to, to find out about this plot?

 

My answers? 1. Anything and everything. 2. Anything and everything.

 

1) I'd allow them to kill the terrorist on our soil when they attempt such a thing. I'd allow them to detain the terrorist and interrogate them - and if they were American citizens place them through proper trials (I have a problem with not allowing trials at all for US citizens). I'd allow them to show the evidence through public means to put a stop to them. What I would not "allow" is a government lock down where they tell me where I can go, when I can go, what I can do or what I can say. If they tell me that a plane is going to be taken over by a terrorist and I still plan to go on that plane, that's my own damn decision and I'd thank them for warning me.

 

2) I would allow them to access the terrorist cell because they planted spies into their organization or through proper investigative skills that do not impede upon the rights of the American people. I would allow them to, under very close and proper supervision, spy upon them with technology such as satellites. I would not allow them access to my house, my computer, my property unless they have gone through the proper legal means or I give my consent. I would not allow them to hack my computer without my knowledge to gather information from it or to use it as they see fit. If that causes the death of me, my family, or three hundred others from a terrorist attack - than so be it. I will not allow myself to live in such fear that I grant the government the "right" and power to do whatever the hell they want. Let the terrorist attack, see the people of the USA get angry, bold and bond as we did on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and seek our retribution.

 

Now, my term "not allow" means that I wouldn't generally have them do those things. If the government wants to lock down my city/town/location and comes in with an armed army for martial law... there isn't much I can do to actually stop them that would be worth it. I would just get killed and swept under the rug like Benghazi.

 

Is that an answer for you - I did not see you ask those questions previously.

 

EDIT: Questions for you:

1) Would you allow the government to take your spouse/child/brother/sister/parent and place them go into a building (you don't know that the building is rigged to explode, but the government does) just to draw out or capture a terrorist or a group of terrorists?

2) Would you allow the government to corral move you into a camp "for your own and your families protection"?

[Ksajal]

That Sasha Grey video was priceless, makes me laugh each time I watch it. Thank you, dark-D!

 

As for afa7336... please stop feeding the troll. I can only summarize his posts so far as trollish to the extreme and textbook flame baiting.

[Askew]

[beebskadoo]

Ceiling cat is unaware that I am aware of his voyeurism.

We shall see how long I can fool him for.

What a Twist!!!

[Askew]

Ceiling cat is unaware that I am aware of his voyeurism.

We shall see how long I can fool him for.

What a Twist!!!

 

[ACatWithThumbs]

Because honestly, the guy is acting like a little kid, going and blasting the United States for this and that, and running into the arms of Russia. Which, if you looked into things better (which honestly I doubt anyone ever will, because facts don't matter so much) they would find Russia a whole lot worse.

 

 

I think people are missing the point of using this information. It isn't the US judging, its the radicals judging each other. Remember, this is a part of the world, where a whole lot of people believe that you can do lots of things in the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed, just like Christians do some pretty awful things in the name of God (past and present). They believe, I might add, that it is okay to stone and execute people that are gay. It is against their belief. I've read the Koran, and also know which words they twist to mean what. This has been going on in one form or another, for a very long time. Just because its porn, doesn't make it any different. Agents have been turned on both sides of the fence for far less then what kind of porn they watched. Hell, Robert Hanssen (one of ours, that literally caused the death of hundreds of our Agents and gave over valuable Intelligence) was motivated by money. That is far worse, and a lot easier to corrupt, I add. 

 

 

 

But overall, to everyone reading this, I have a question or two I have asked several times. But surprisingly not a single darn person on this forum seems to ever want to answer it. So I will ask it again, and see if I will get an answer this time. (doubtful).

 

1. If there was a planned terrorist attack that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government do to stop it?

2. If there was a threat that no one knew about, that would kill your whole family and three hundred others, what would you allow the Government access to, to find out about this plot?

 

My answers? 1. Anything and everything. 2. Anything and everything.

1. They should do the same thing as with other law breakings.(spying on the hole human race is a crime by itself) stuff like this is the first step in to a security state.

2. I would allow them to access computers from that area that is in danger "if necessary" and with acess I mean access and not saving all Data!

 

[ForsakenLive]

1) I'd allow them to kill the terrorist on our soil when they attempt such a thing. I'd allow them to detain the terrorist and interrogate them - and if they were American citizens place them through proper trials (I have a problem with not allowing trials at all for US citizens). I'd allow them to show the evidence through public means to put a stop to them. What I would not "allow" is a government lock down where they tell me where I can go, when I can go, what I can do or what I can say. If they tell me that a plane is going to be taken over by a terrorist and I still plan to go on that plane, that's my own damn decision and I'd thank them for warning me.

 

2) I would allow them to access the terrorist cell because they planted spies into their organization or through proper investigative skills that do not impede upon the rights of the American people. I would allow them to, under very close and proper supervision, spy upon them with technology such as satellites. I would not allow them access to my house, my computer, my property unless they have gone through the proper legal means or I give my consent. I would not allow them to hack my computer without my knowledge to gather information from it or to use it as they see fit. If that causes the death of me, my family, or three hundred others from a terrorist attack - than so be it. I will not allow myself to live in such fear that I grant the government the "right" and power to do whatever the hell they want. Let the terrorist attack, see the people of the USA get angry, bold and bond as we did on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and seek our retribution.

 

Now, my term "not allow" means that I wouldn't generally have them do those things. If the government wants to lock down my city/town/location and comes in with an armed army for martial law... there isn't much I can do to actually stop them that would be worth it. I would just get killed and swept under the rug like Benghazi.

 

Is that an answer for you - I did not see you ask those questions previously.

 

EDIT: Questions for you:

1) Would you allow the government to take your spouse/child/brother/sister/parent and place them go into a building (you don't know that the building is rigged to explode, but the government does) just to draw out or capture a terrorist or a group of terrorists?

2) Would you allow the government to corral move you into a camp "for your own and your families protection"?

This is the best explanation that represents what people around the world feels about this matter, that I've ever encountered.

Things can be done right by the government, without harassing the citizens and yet keep safety at maximum, your words explain it perfectly. 

[LAwLz]

-snip-

Hey, you missed my post. I would love to see a reply.

 

Link to my question.

[afa7336]

1) I'd allow them to kill the terrorist on our soil when they attempt such a thing. I'd allow them to detain the terrorist and interrogate them - and if they were American citizens place them through proper trials (I have a problem with not allowing trials at all for US citizens). I'd allow them to show the evidence through public means to put a stop to them. What I would not "allow" is a government lock down where they tell me where I can go, when I can go, what I can do or what I can say. If they tell me that a plane is going to be taken over by a terrorist and I still plan to go on that plane, that's my own damn decision and I'd thank them for warning me.

 

2) I would allow them to access the terrorist cell because they planted spies into their organization or through proper investigative skills that do not impede upon the rights of the American people. I would allow them to, under very close and proper supervision, spy upon them with technology such as satellites. I would not allow them access to my house, my computer, my property unless they have gone through the proper legal means or I give my consent. I would not allow them to hack my computer without my knowledge to gather information from it or to use it as they see fit. If that causes the death of me, my family, or three hundred others from a terrorist attack - than so be it. I will not allow myself to live in such fear that I grant the government the "right" and power to do whatever the hell they want. Let the terrorist attack, see the people of the USA get angry, bold and bond as we did on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and seek our retribution.

 

Now, my term "not allow" means that I wouldn't generally have them do those things. If the government wants to lock down my city/town/location and comes in with an armed army for martial law... there isn't much I can do to actually stop them that would be worth it. I would just get killed and swept under the rug like Benghazi.

 

Is that an answer for you - I did not see you ask those questions previously.

 

EDIT: Questions for you:

1) Would you allow the government to take your spouse/child/brother/sister/parent and place them go into a building (you don't know that the building is rigged to explode, but the government does) just to draw out or capture a terrorist or a group of terrorists?

2) Would you allow the government to corral move you into a camp "for your own and your families protection"?

 

1) Yes. But mainly because we are more then a few Generations deep, and know the risks and what it takes.

2) (Do we really have to take this all the way back to the Japanese to prove a point, it shows you can't relate to something current.) But then again, you have to ask this question, I get it. You can't find something relevant so gotta go back in time. But, you realize how stupid this sounds, correct, considering this happens every day and is one hundred percent legal?  (Might really want to do some research on Protective Custody orders as they pertain to the safety of people and children.)

 

Overall, you must understand to some of us (more then you might ever imagine), the loss of a few for the many is something that means something. Before you start going in on this train of thought, as humans, I want you to realize EVERY person that puts on a uniform is doing this, in some way or other. Especially those on the front and beyond the front lines. Better Men then me, have proven this over and over again, and haven't come home alive to prove this point. We can go down the list, if you want, and I can name names and their actions, to make you realize how dumb you sound arguing that point.

 

There is a bridge at Lackland AFB, that every trainee runs/marches across at some point of BMT. On this bridge is a motto, that means more then you might ever realize. "So Others May Live." Its part of the Creed of the United States Air Force Pararescuemen, the most elite Unit in the world at what they do.The full line reads, "Those things we do, so others may live." Let that sink in for a moment, please.

 

You see, there are people that think saving a life means more then their own. And who can fault them for that, can you? I want to see anyone here try. And thus, my beliefs are that if grabbing phone records (legal), and grabbing metadata (legal again) with following the law (which they did, fyi) then that is a price I am willing to pay. Thats a small price compared to the people I knew paid to keep us safe. They didn't make it home to their children, their families because they believed in protecting everyone. Even you.

 

But I want to leave you with something, if anyone reading this, does want to argue this point further.

 

It's the soldier, not the reporter 

who has given us freedom of the press. 

 

It's the soldier, not the poet, 

who has given us freedom of speech. 

 

It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, 

who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. 

 

It's the soldier, not the lawyer, 

who has given us the right to a fair trial. 

 

It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and 

whose coffin is draped by the flag, 

who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag. 

 

-Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

 

Edit: But we have lost sight of this thread, and lets get it back on track. This is a leak of classified information, and classified operations, abroad, aimed at KNOWN terrorists. It is using information to turn said terrorist into either not committing terrorist attacks, or possibly turning said terrorist into a valuable asset. But I guess that is too much to ask, to have them to this. BTW, if you think this was bad, I guess you'd REALLY hate what happened during the Cold War. And I mean REALLY hate it with a passion. Hell, even WWII, WWI. I guess we shouldn't try and turn our enemies, or stop them, because OMG, right? Would you prefer living under Nazi Germany, instead? (Because we couldn't have turned some assets without having information on them. And some was about their sexual habits. 

 

Hey, you missed my post. I would love to see a reply.

 

Link to my question.

 

 

So what was the question. All I saw was a bunch of statements of what you believe. Okay, let me respond to those statements. ???

[LAwLz]

So what was the question. All I saw was a bunch of statements of what you believe. Okay, let me respond to those statements. ???

Well I would like to hear your thoughts on those facts (not just statements of what I believe) and for you to answer the question I posted at the end:

"Do you want to spend fortunes in order to lower the already extremely low risk of terrorist attacks, throwing the 4:th amendment out the window along with your privacy, or do you want a better education system, better health of all Americans, better infrastructure and privacy? There isn't even any solid evidence that all this spying has lead to anything."

 

You can't just ignore counter arguments like that.

[mr moose]

I for one am honored (and a little worried) that at the American government deems my presence in this world enough of a threat to their authoritative rule that they are spying on my porn habits.

 

 

I didn't realise my influence was so strong and far reaching. 

[ACatWithThumbs]

1) Yes. But mainly because we are more then a few Generations deep, and know the risks and what it takes.

2) (Do we really have to take this all the way back to the Japanese to prove a point, it shows you can't relate to something current.) But then again, you have to ask this question, I get it. You can't find something relevant so gotta go back in time. But, you realize how stupid this sounds, correct, considering this happens every day and is one hundred percent legal?  (Might really want to do some research on Protective Custody orders as they pertain to the safety of people and children.)

 

Overall, you must understand to some of us (more then you might ever imagine), the loss of a few for the many is something that means something. Before you start going in on this train of thought, as humans, I want you to realize EVERY person that puts on a uniform is doing this, in some way or other. Especially those on the front and beyond the front lines. Better Men then me, have proven this over and over again, and haven't come home alive to prove this point. We can go down the list, if you want, and I can name names and their actions, to make you realize how dumb you sound arguing that point.

 

There is a bridge at Lackland AFB, that every trainee runs/marches across at some point of BMT. On this bridge is a motto, that means more then you might ever realize. "So Others May Live." Its part of the Creed of the United States Air Force Pararescuemen, the most elite Unit in the world at what they do.The full line reads, "Those things we do, so others may live." Let that sink in for a moment, please.

 

You see, there are people that think saving a life means more then their own. And who can fault them for that, can you? I want to see anyone here try. And thus, my beliefs are that if grabbing phone records (legal), and grabbing metadata (legal again) with following the law (which they did, fyi) then that is a price I am willing to pay. Thats a small price compared to the people I knew paid to keep us safe. They didn't make it home to their children, their families because they believed in protecting everyone. Even you.

 

But I want to leave you with something, if anyone reading this, does want to argue this point further.

 

It's the soldier, not the reporter 

who has given us freedom of the press. 

 

It's the soldier, not the poet, 

who has given us freedom of speech. 

 

It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, 

who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. 

 

It's the soldier, not the lawyer, 

who has given us the right to a fair trial. 

 

It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and 

whose coffin is draped by the flag, 

who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag. 

 

-Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

 

Edit: But we have lost sight of this thread, and lets get it back on track. This is a leak of classified information, and classified operations, abroad, aimed at KNOWN terrorists. It is using information to turn said terrorist into either not committing terrorist attacks, or possibly turning said terrorist into a valuable asset. But I guess that is too much to ask, to have them to this. BTW, if you think this was bad, I guess you'd REALLY hate what happened during the Cold War. And I mean REALLY hate it with a passion. Hell, even WWII, WWI. I guess we shouldn't try and turn our enemies, or stop them, because OMG, right? Would you prefer living under Nazi Germany, instead? (Because we couldn't have turned some assets without having information on them. And some was about their sexual habits. 

 

 

 

So what was the question. All I saw was a bunch of statements of what you believe. Okay, let me respond to those statements. ???

The soldiers on the frontlines have nothing to do with what the NSA does right now, they aren't helping them in any way.(Like knowing what porn millions of people watch would save lifes)

There is a diffrence between spying on terrorists and spying on your own people and your allies.

And the NSA is sacrafising the privacy of Billions for saving few.

There spidding on what the USA stands for and are showing the USA in bad light in front of the hole world.

Snowden should get in jail for what he did because it's a crime but so should all NSA employes that spy on innocent people all over the world.

 

[afa7336]

The soldiers on the frontlines have nothing to do with what the NSA does right now, they aren't helping them in any way.(Like knowing what porn millions of people watch would save lifes)

There is a diffrence between spying on terrorists and spying on your own people and your allies.

And the NSA is sacrafising the privacy of Billions for saving few.

There spidding on what the USA stands for and are showing the USA in bad light in front of the hole world.

Snowden should get in jail for what he did because it's a crime but so should all NSA employes that spy on innocent people all over the world.

 

And I think you missed my point completely. Here let me explain why that was brought up. It was brought up to explain why I feel the way I do about the question I answered, and the way I answered it. I think you keep forgetting that what the NSA has done, has been legal. GG for not understanding, it may be unpopular among some, but legal none the less. Its not a crime, as you put it.

 

Well I would like to hear your thoughts on those facts (not just statements of what I believe) and for you to answer the question I posted at the end:

"Do you want to spend fortunes in order to lower the already extremely low risk of terrorist attacks, throwing the 4:th amendment out the window along with your privacy, or do you want a better education system, better health of all Americans, better infrastructure and privacy? There isn't even any solid evidence that all this spying has lead to anything."

 

You can't just ignore counter arguments like that.

 

Okay, so this perceived low risk... have you ever thought it is at a low risk BECAUSE they are doing this? Because they are finding and stopping them? Because they are actively out there, forcing these groups to change methods? To actively discourage them?

 

See you are basing your notion of low risk while they are actively trying to stop attacks from happening. Lets take a look at a Country that doesn't look for terrorists, but still have a threat of terror attacks. Can you name me said Country you want to base it off of? I can't think of ANY Country that is under the threat of Terror Attack that doesn't actively look and try to stop terror attacks.

 

What's funny though, is I mentioned something earlier about SORM, and no one has commented. You think the NSA is bad, please do some research on where your boy Snowden is holed up. SORM is a million times worse then whatever you think the NSA has done. The sad part is, you don't care as much because why? You all are for "I want privacy", but ignore the bigger violations of it day in and day out.

[ACatWithThumbs]

 I think you keep forgetting that what the NSA has done, has been legal. GG for not understanding, it may be unpopular among some, but legal none the less. Its not a crime, as you put it.

 

It's a crime to spy on a persons privat life without any evidence of doing a crime or having a connection to a crime.

They also broke tons of privacy laws from almost every country in europe.

And they broke even some agreements that they had with alot of EU countrys because they spyed on there economy aswell as people.

And I don't think that it's legal to spy on kids wich they also do when they collect random data.

 

[afa7336]

It's a crime to spy on a persons privat life without any evidence of doing a crime or having a connection to a crime.

They also broke tons of privacy laws from almost every country in europe.

And they broke even some agreements that they had with alot of EU countrys because they spyed on there economy aswell as people.

And I don't think that it's legal to spy on kids wich they also do when they collect random data.

 

Oh really, so the court orders to operate weren't legal? The law to gather wasn't on their side (psst. its an older law, on the books for a long time)? The Oversight from Congress wasn't on their side? GG for no research, and going with what you feel. Sorry, you're wrong. Do I REALLY have to explain this, or can you manage research?

 

Oh and as for other Countries? Here is a NEWS FLASH for you, are you prepared to condemn every Nation that has a Foreign Intelligence Service? Are you prepared to not ever gather intelligence, whether it is against an enemy, or it is against a threat against our borders and citizens? You people really do have a warped sense of the World with these thoughts.

 

Again, have you searched up SORM yet, or shall I actually type out what SORM is and what it does?  Its funny, everyone of you keep bringing it to the US. You can't even discuss anything else. Why is that, why is it that you are only willing to attack one Country only, and no one else. You really think the US is alone, you are sadly mistaken. And it makes discussing this hard, because you blab and blab, but do no f'n research on your own.

 

Lets break down a few key factors here.

 

1) Germany: Helped US spy on German citizens. (Where is your outrage?)

2) Russia: SORM, among other things. It really is a sport they are good at. (Where is your outrage?)

3) France: Spying on its own citizens daily. (Where is your outrage?)

4) China: Spying on its own citizens, and the world daily. (Where is your outrage?)

5) Zimbabwe: Spying on its own citizens. (Where is your outrage?)

6) Syria: Spying on its own citizens, and shut down communications to deter protests. (Where is your outrage?)

7) Iran: Spying on its own citizens and any foreigners, including deep packet inspection. (Where is your outrage?)

8) New Zealand: Spying on its own citizens. (Where is your outrage?)

9) Bahrain: Spies and uses software to track and monitor opposition activists home and abroad. (Where is your outrage?)

10) Vietnam: Spying on its own citizens, and actively monitors and controls what people can say against the government online. (Where is your outrage?)

11) UK: Obvious at this point. (Where is your outrage?)

12) Canada: Spying on its citizens. (Where is your outrage?)

 

See, this is why I say loudly each and every one of you are hypocrites. You do no research into things, and throw around your "thoughts" without a care in the world. I condemn this, I condemn that. The US has no right, but everyone else doing it, I don't want to talk about. So here is a list, of some of the major ones. There are more, trust me. See if you do some research this time, before typing, I wouldn't have to explain in detail like this. I hate to do this, make people look this way, but when you all just start blabbing it makes it easy.

 

I've chosen to explain SORM now, since none of you will actively research what it is. So here we go, this will include current and some history behind it:

 

SORM stands for Система Оперативно-Розыскных Мероприятий (System for Operative Investigative Activities) and is a set of systems in Russia. In 1996 SORM-1 was created to monitor ALL telecommunications within Russia. In 1998, SORM-2 came online and was dedicated to not only monitor and gather telecommunications data, but internet data as well. In January of 2000, President Putin allowed seven other agencies access to the data it was gathering (the tax police, the Russian Police, Federal Protective Service, border patrol and customs to name a few). In July 2000, it was allowed to tap into ISPs without warning or notice at a whim. This was overturned later in 2000, and they must tell the ISP they are accessing ISP data, but nothing can stop them. And that is where SORM sits today. GG for your research that I had to do for you all. GG for Snowden running to Russia of all places.

[beebskadoo]

I for one am honored (and a little worried) that at the American government deems my presence in this world enough of a threat to their authoritative rule that they are spying on my porn habits.

 

 

I didn't realise my influence was so strong and far reaching. 

Your right arm is strong and far reaching...

[mr moose]

 

Again, have you searched up SORM yet, or shall I actually type out what SORM is and what it does?  Its funny, everyone of you keep bringing it to the US. You can't even discuss anything else

 

 

 

It's funny how you're the only one who has the opinion that this is all o.k and keeps going on about SORM, while EVERYONE else seems to disagree.  It would appear you are the odd one out and can't discuss anything else.

 

Newsflash,  whether it's right wrong or indifferent, the people are not happy with it, don't want it to continue and have other ideas about national security and foreign affairs.