[UPDATED] Der8auer States Some X299 Low End boards Have Bad VRM Coolers

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

That's literally what I meant by revisited  As in they are looking at and changing the design. What is your definition?  

Nvm, I thought you meant that they were going to launch a rev 2.0 of the existing boards

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

I love Asus' BIOS

+1

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, Dreaper said:

Do you know the biggest difference in the Gigabyte 9 and 7?

Nope. Probably IO or moar RGB

[Dreaper]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Nvm, I thought you meant that they were going to launch a rev 2.0 of the existing boards

So all the current ones that are out rn wont be fixed?

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, tom_w141 said:

It's the VRMs so all

 

8 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Intel have made X299 confusing but you have to do your research. Basically the $200-300 parts exist to give the illusion of affordability when really you will need a $400+ mobo for real results.

only if you want to run a >=10c cpu. The cheaper boards are fine for the <=7820x.

[done12many2]

Just now, Dreaper said:

Do you know the biggest difference in the Gigabyte 9 and 7?

 

The only thing the 9 adds to the 7 is two more NVMe heatsinks to mount above the NMVe drive (which I don't need) and it has a built-in amplifier for audio output (which I don't need as I use optical out). 

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Dreaper said:

So all the current ones that are out rn wont be fixed?

Which CPU are you going to use?

[Dreaper]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

The only thing the 9 adds to the 7 is two more NVMe heatsinks to mount above the NMVe drive (which I don't need) and it has a built-in amplifier for audio output (which I don't need as I use optical out). 

Are the heatsinks on the Gigabyte boards any good or is it like the MSI ones?

[Dreaper]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Which CPU are you going to use?

i7 8000x

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

i7 8000x

I think you mean 7800X, even the cheapest board will be fine for a 7800X, because it has only 6 cores

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, Dreaper said:

Are the heatsinks on the Gigabyte boards any good or is it like the MSI ones?

 

Apparently they do work better than the MSI ones, but like I said.  I don't need them.  I have plenty of airflow through my case and I run RAIDs which reduce work from each drive.  Bottom line, I never throttle or get close.  You may find that you need them with poor circulation or running non-RAID configurations.  

[Dreaper]

4 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Apparently they do work better than the MSI ones, but like I said.  I don't need them.  I have plenty of airflow through my case and I run RAIDs which reduce work from each drive.  Bottom line, I never throttle or get close.  You may find that you need them with poor circulation or running non-RAID configurations.  

Do you know if the ASUS prime deluxe or the ASUS tuf 1 has the heatsink issues?

[Lord Nicoll]

27 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Well, if you want to get a Skylake-X CPU without spending a ton of money, get a 7800X

Not really, I just want 144Hz 1440p, I don't need more than that many cores, I really don't like the high end systems, I'd rather a 2nd hand quad Xeon server fully loaded. 

[Dreaper]

22 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Nope. Probably IO or moar RGB

Do you have any idea if the heatsink issue is also on the asus tuf 1 and asus prime deluxe?

[-rascal-]

I've been following this thread for a while, just to see what people has to say think.

 

I'm just comparing the VRM cooling on my ASUS X99 Deluxe II, and the ASUS Prime X299 Deluxe...

Did the board partners really skimp on the cooling system??

Going with RGB and looks > functionality?

 

My X99 Deluxe II has an aluminum heatsink directly over the VRMs, and a heatpipe going to the rear I/O area, where there is ANOTHER heatsink under the white "X99 SERIES" cover. All I see is one heatsink directly over the VRM's on the X299 variant.

 

EDIT: heatsink + heatpipe + heatsink for the PCH as well on the X99, versus heatsink and huge plastic shroud on the X299.

Spoiler

 

Keep in mind, the X299 Deluxe and the X99 Deluxe II are NOT your typicaly $250 ~ $300 motherboards.

The X299 Deluxe currently goes for $490 on NewEgg US.

 

 

[Dreaper]

2 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

I've been following this thread for a while, just to see what people has to say think.

 

I'm just comparing the VRM cooling on my ASUS X99 Deluxe II, and the ASUS Prime X299 Deluxe...

Did the board partners really skimp on the cooling system??

Going with RGB and looks > functionality?

 

My X99 Deluxe II has an aluminum heatsink directly over the VRMs, and a heatpipe going to the rear I/O area, where there is ANOTHER heatsink under the white "X99 SERIES" cover. All I see is one heatsink directly over the VRM's on the X299 variant.

 

EDIT: heatsink + heatpipe + heatsink for the PCH as well on the X99, versus heatsink and huge plastic shroud on the X299.

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Keep in mind, the X299 Deluxe and the X99 Deluxe II are NOT your typicaly $250 ~ $300 motherboards.

The X299 Deluxe currently goes for $490 on NewEgg US.

 

 

That doesnt answer my question though. does it matter on that board?

[done12many2]

@Dreaper

 

The Asus x299 Strix is fine too.  He also mentions other x299 boards that he's had no overheating issues with. 

 

Check out it out.  Already time stamped.

 

@Lord Nicoll maybe you can change the title of the thread to include the fact that "some" cheaper x299 boards are having VRM cooling issues.  As it's worded now, it implies that this is a x299 platform wide issue, which it's not.  You could add this video to the OP to balance the panic a bit as well.  

 

 

[-rascal-]

5 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

That doesnt answer my question though. does it matter on that board?

 

My comment does not directly answer you question; I was just putting my two cents in when I saw you mentioning the X299 Deluxe. ( I did not quote you at all)

 

The 'Deluxe' boards are usually not your mid-tier "gaming" boards.

They are usually higher up, near the ROG line

(NOT including the StriX, Hero, Ranger stuff; ROG...as in O.G. ROG).

[VagabondWraith]

6 minutes ago, Dreaper said:

Do you know if the ASUS prime deluxe or the ASUS tuf 1 has the heatsink issues?

If you're that worried just point a small fan at the VRM's.

 

I'd be more worried with single 8 pin connectors than VRM temps.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

Well said.  I spent over $350 on a quality z270 board because I knew that I was going to be pushing high clocks.  Spending $300 on a x299 or x399 board is just asking for trouble. 

How's the VRM's doing?

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Not really, I just want 144Hz 1440p, I don't need more than that many cores, I really don't like the high end systems, I'd rather a 2nd hand quad Xeon server fully loaded. 

Coffee Lake 6c/12t part in the Fall is the one to wait for.

[VagabondWraith]

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=951591&postcount=18

 

Re: Der8auer...

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jonnyGURU;951591 said:

 

So, as Tom knows, I tested this same PSU with a 300W load on a single EPS12V connector.

Temperatures of the connector pins never got near 40°C. Voltage only dropped .22V despite having only three 20 AWG wires going to a four pin EPS12V. With that said, I go back on what I said and will say that I would GLADLY use this PSU's, or any PSU's, EPS12V connector to push 300W of power.

I don't doubt the guy believes his results... but something is wrong with either a piece of his kit or his thermometer.

He's using a Seasonic power supply btw.

[mr moose]

3 hours ago, done12many2 said:

@Dreaper

 

The Asus x299 Strix is fine too.  He also mentions other x299 boards that he's had no overheating issues with. 

 

Check out it out.  Already time stamped.

 

@Lord Nicoll maybe you can change the title of the thread to include the fact that "some" cheaper x299 boards are having VRM cooling issues.  As it's worded now, it implies that this is a x299 platform wide issue, which it's not.  You could add this video to the OP to balance the panic a bit as well.  

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=951591&postcount=18

 

Re: Der8auer...

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jonnyGURU;951591 said:

 

So, as Tom knows, I tested this same PSU with a 300W load on a single EPS12V connector.

Temperatures of the connector pins never got near 40°C. Voltage only dropped .22V despite having only three 20 AWG wires going to a four pin EPS12V. With that said, I go back on what I said and will say that I would GLADLY use this PSU's, or any PSU's, EPS12V connector to push 300W of power.

I don't doubt the guy believes his results... but something is wrong with either a piece of his kit or his thermometer.

He's using a Seasonic power supply btw.

 

 

As is always the case, the truth comes out in the end.  I wonder if those guys at the start of this thread (who were adamant it was a "platform wide" issue because Intel was shit etc etc) are learning from jumping the gun with their ideals.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

 

 

 

As is always the case, the truth comes out in the end.  I wonder if those guys at the start of this thread (who were adamant it was a "platform wide" issue because Intel was shit etc etc) are learning from jumping the gun with their ideals.

The VRM issue appears to be on a number of the lower boards. Even then, they're still getting pretty toasty, so you're going to want solid air-flow in the case.

 

I get the feeling the "baseline" design specs for the VRM load ended up being set too low, which is why the ones with less cooling on them have run into issues.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The VRM issue appears to be on a number of the lower boards. Even then, they're still getting pretty toasty, so you're going to want solid air-flow in the case.

 

I get the feeling the "baseline" design specs for the VRM load ended up being set too low, which is why the ones with less cooling on them have run into issues.

 

I overclocked a palomino once, it got warm.  Must be a platform wide issue.