My friend bet me his computer that his TV can display 600 fps.

[solomongrundy]

marketing speak to compete with 120/240hz lcd tvs. looks like they succeeded in selling their tv to your friend based on a bunch of numbers.

regardless, plasmas are beasts and i prefer them over lcds.

He has some high end Samsung TV that is marketed as 600hz.

On Thursday I'll let you guys know what it's like using his dual 780s.

[gylmir]

if the output source know to get 600hz it will be possible but i don't think he know the concept of it.

 

like all the people said maybe on mine sweeper or just on 240p res

[Mo5]

if the output source know to get 600hz it will be possible but i don't think he know the concept of it.

 

like all the people said maybe on mine sweeper or just on 240p res

Minesweeper is the destroyer of GPUs

[TheProfosist]

Its plasma they advertized the hz when their trying to compete with lcd. Which is stupid because they dont refresh in the same way at all

[Freaky_spider]

and did you win?

[ManOfDisguise]

and did you win?

What do you think?????? lolol

[Freaky_spider]

What do you think?????? lolol

did he give it or did he make excuses? hope the first

[miyabwah]

Have fun with your 2nd computer.

[ManOfDisguise]

did he give it or did he make excuses? hope the first

either way, he lost the argument . but yeeeea i hope he didnt make excuses

[needmorewood]

He has some high end Samsung TV that is marketed as 600hz.

On Thursday I'll let you guys know what it's like using his dual 780s.

its a plasma. so the refresh rate is simulated anyways its not real. they use some sort of light flickering trick to simulate it so u basically won before the test

[Glenwing]

its a plasma. so the refresh rate is simulated anyways its not real. they use some sort of light flickering trick to simulate it so u basically won before the test

 

Not really, plasmas just work in different ways.  They use voltage to ignite Noble gases to produce light, but it can only be all the way bright or all the way dark, not in between.  So during each frame it does 10 voltage pulses.  If the plasma is ignited for 5 out of the 10 cycles and left off for the other 5, then the pixel will let out only half the light that it would if it were on the whole time, and it is fast enough that to us it just appears at half brightness.  So that's how a plasma TV controls variable brightness.  Whereas in an LCD a "cycle" is an electrical current modifying the position of a liquid crystal in order to allow or block (or inbetween) the light from the backlight from passing through the LCD.  It does this once per frame, to modify the brightness of that pixel during that frame.

 

Basically, Hz refers to completely different things in the two technologies.

[TheProfosist]

Not really, plasmas just work in different ways.  They use voltage to ignite Noble gases to produce light, but it can only be all the way bright or all the way dark, not in between.  So during each frame it does 10 voltage pulses.  If the plasma is ignited for 5 out of the 10 cycles and left off for the other 5, then the pixel will let out only half the light that it would if it were on the whole time, and it is fast enough that to us it just appears at half brightness.  So that's how a plasma TV controls variable brightness.  Whereas in an LCD a "cycle" is an electrical current modifying the position of a liquid crystal in order to allow or block (or inbetween) the light from the backlight from passing through the LCD.  It does this once per frame, to modify the brightness of that pixel during that frame.

 

Basically, Hz refers to completely different things in the two technologies.

Thanks you for posting this! Im so glad someone else understands what plasma display technology is and how it works. Also thanks for saving me the time of having to type something similar up.

[Alibaladin]

I believe your friend is referring to Samsung's CMR. Which converts 600 CMR = 120Hz.

[stevv]

I believe your friend is referring to Samsung's CMR. Which converts 600 CMR = 120Hz.

Sounds like it.  Even then, there's no way to display 120Hz on current TV except in 3D... and even then it's just 60fps... in 720p!  :lol:

[Blade of Grass]

So I guess you have to give him yours when you loose?

[TheMissxu]

You're not going to get his computer.

[flibberdipper]

Not with older games.  Some people can play 300fps in Half Life 2 on a single Titan.  Double that up, and it should easily be able to do 600fps. 

 

The problem is a display that can display 600fps natively, in full, with no interpolation and with no frame dropping.  Almost no displays can natively do that yet, only a few vendors such as vpixx.com has a 500fps @ 500Hz capable projector for vision science researchers, but it's monochrome.

I play it at 70-ish on my netbook. MY NETBOOK IS SO POWERFUL But that's at low. Still though.

[mdrejhon]

But it doesn't have to produce 600 unique frames, if it produces 600 frames of the exact image then it's still 600 Hz

Fixed it for ya.  Repeat refreshes do not create extra "frames per second".   

 

Playing 30fps on a 60Hz monitor, doesn't automatically mean 60fps.

[ercineker]

Some manufacturers multiply the LCD refresh rate and the backlight rate :-) so if you have a 60hz lcd and 100hz back lighting voila 600hz... This makes me wanna pull my hair out :angry:

[megadarkwood]

Can I have your friend?

[TechSage]

Time to bust out some Solitaire.

[Virgule]

Technically, flashing 600 times the same single image during one second still means displaying at 600Hz.

[mdrejhon]

Technically, flashing 600 times the same single image during one second still means displaying at 600Hz.

 

600 Hz does NOT mean 600 fps.

[flibberdipper]

Did I mention your friend is a bit of an idiot?

[Glenwing]

Technically, flashing 600 times the same single image during one second still means displaying at 600Hz.

 

If it were flashing an image 600 times then it would be, but it's not.  A 600Hz TV is not flashing an image 600 times.