Repeated names actually make sense!

[Kyonkanno]

I know most people (specially Linus) don't like manufacturers to repeat names, ala Apple style. But there is logic behind repeating names. The main reason why I think repeating names should be the norm is for upgrade reasons.

 

Let's take the Razer blade 14 for example. When you repeat the name you know it's the same product, but with upgraded internals. Even if it's not the same product, but a totally redesigned one, you are telling your customers that want to upgrade from the old model which one they should upgrade to, if they wanted to stay in the same product range.

 

Much like how cars keep their names, for example Honda Civic. You are telling your customers, "oh you liked our car and want to upgrade your 7 year old car? Here is a redesigned one that functions exactly the same as the one you have but is more efficient and better looking". Something of the sorts. Dell is also a prominent name repeater and it works quite well for them. Inspiron (middle range value laptops), Vostro (low end laptops), XPS (High end laptops) and so on a so forth.

 

And if you want to prevent "confusion" from older and newer models, just slap the year behind the product name and you are done!

 

Further more, if you create new names every time you upgrade your products, you will end up confusing the heck out of people that don't follow your lineup 24/7.

 

People are specially disgusted by the Titan X (maxwell) vs Titan X (Pascal). just slap the year behind the name and voila! zero confusion.

[RadiatingLight]

Well it's not quite the same as car manufacturers. they DO put the year behind the name, and that's fine. the problem is the Razer puts a number behind the name, and doesn't change it. imagine the confusion if there was a Honda civic 14, and you went to buy a new civic 5 years later, and they offered you another Honda civic 14.

[dizmo]

Really though I don't think it's a huge issue at all. Sure, it's confusing for people that are buying used, or perhaps on a site.

But for most retailers, they won't be holding on to older stuff. They won't have a Dell XPS from two years ago beside the brand new one, typically they only carry the new one.

 

If people are buying online, they should be doing a little research anyway.

 

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Well it's not quite the same as car manufacturers. they DO put the year behind the name, and that's fine. the problem is the Razer puts a number behind the name, and doesn't change it. imagine the confusion if there was a Honda civic 14, and you went to buy a new civic 5 years later, and they offered you another Honda civic 14.

That was his whole point.

[Litargirio]

No, no and no.

 

With a bit of creativity, there is a bazillion ways to convey that a product is an upgrade to the previous product within the product name.

 

And different products should always use different names.

[Shiv78]

10 minutes ago, Litargirio said:

And different products should always use different names.

YES THANK YOU at least call it the Razer Blade 2nd gen or Razer Blade 2 ffs

[Kyonkanno]

1 hour ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Why don't they just call them the GTX X80 2014, 2015, 2016? 

Because no one says the year, it's too clunky. So they call different devices by the same name and customers get confused

why is it clunky? I think it should be industry standard, if it's an upgrade of an existing product family, it's actually less confusing.

1 hour ago, RadiatingLight said:

Well it's not quite the same as car manufacturers. they DO put the year behind the name, and that's fine. the problem is the Razer puts a number behind the name, and doesn't change it. imagine the confusion if there was a Honda civic 14, and you went to buy a new civic 5 years later, and they offered you another Honda civic 14.

well, most manufacturers only refresh cars every 3 or 4 years and major changes ever 6-8 years. they use codenames (civic 1st gen-9th gen) to differentiate them and only use years after the name to refer to which year it mas manufactured. Still you don't see a new name for every new 4 door sedan a manufacturer releases.

57 minutes ago, Litargirio said:

No, no and no.

 

With a bit of creativity, there is a bazillion ways to convey that a product is an upgrade to the previous product within the product name.

 

And different products should always use different names.

why should they? Imagine Razer released a new 14 inch laptop to replace the Blade 14 and called it Knife 14. It is not immediately obvious that it's replacing the Blade 14. If you had a Blade 14 and want to upgrade, yo go to Razer's webpage to see the ALL NEW Knife 14, then you have to go and see if it's a 14 inch ultra thin laptop or if it's a 14 inch thick laptop, etc.

 

Noticeably, I don't like MSI and Asus naming scheme, THAT is confusing. How do you know which 15 inch laptop is the newest and meanest of the lineup? When you see names like G750, G550, GS52, GX53, GS75. How do you know without a lot of research and multiple browser tabs which one is the newest?

[Litargirio]

Or they could simply call it Razer Blade 15?

 

What if your old Blade 14 had a small malfunction and you need to replace the WiFi card? Yeah, good luck googling "razer blade 14 replacement wifi card", because you'll only find the ones for the new Blade 14, and they aren't compatible. Same goes for disassembly tutorials: you'll only find the ones for the newer product; good luck finding a tutorial for the older product with the exact same name.

 

And if you see a listing for a replacement WiFi card, how would you know if it is for the old one or the new one anyway?

 

Or if you want to buy a new battery, a much more common thing. You see a listing called "Razer Blade 14 replacement battery"; how the fuck do you know if it's a battery for the new one or the old one?

 

The list goes on. It's an enormous amount of unnecessary confusion.

[Kyonkanno]

you could type in the year, as I do with Apple Macbooks or pretty much all apple products. type in the part for macbook 13 inch 2012 so far it works very well

[SLAYR]

1 hour ago, Kyonkanno said:

Dell is also a prominent name repeater and it works quite well for them. Inspiron (middle range value laptops), Vostro (low end laptops), XPS (High end laptops) and so on a so forth.

But the way they seperate them is they add something behind the overall name like inspiron XXXX and they change that number for the model when it is a new model. 

 

Then it would be dell vostro XXX 20XX, makes it way to long.

 

8 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

you could type in the year, as I do with Apple Macbooks or pretty much all apple products. type in the part for macbook 13 inch 2012 so far it works very well

Not every company should copy apple, apple names there product with a year rather then a model number. You don't hear about a macbook XXXX, but a 2016 macbook. Which applies to six or seven different versions of the macbook they released.

[Kyonkanno]

yeah, but the general idea stays the same (with Dell). You pick a Inspiron XXX XXX and you KNOW you are getting a mid range laptop, Although it's clear cut which one is newer. For example, Inspiron 14z vs Inspiron 14R. which one is newer?

I don't think it would be considered copying apple, as ALL car manufacturers do this already.

 

MSI and Asus could make their lineup easier to remember. They have like 20 different laptops with more difficult names I don't even try to keep track. But I guess you guys like their naming scheme.

[Kyonkanno]

I don't see people complaining about Car manufacturers calling their cars the same name for over 60 years (Mustang, I'm looking at you)

 

[Litargirio]

4 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

I don't see people complaining about Car manufacturers calling their cars the same name for over 60 years (Mustang, I'm looking at you)

I don't see people buying and replacing car engines for their Mustangs by themselves either.

[Kyonkanno]

1 minute ago, Litargirio said:

I don't see people buying and replacing car engines for their Mustangs by themselves either.

I actually do see people buying and replacing car engines for their mustangs by themselves.

[Kyonkanno]

Still, the same applies, You want an engine for your 1993 Mustang? Just type "1993 Mustang engine" and you are gold.

 

Want a battery for your Blade 14 2014? just type in "blade 14 2014 replacement battery"

[DildorTheDecent]

Just now, Kyonkanno said:

I actually do see people buying and replacing car engines for their mustangs by themselves.

I doubt the average joe would engine swap a Mustang. 

[Kyonkanno]

1 minute ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I doubt the average joe would engine swap a Mustang. 

I doubt the average joe would replace their laptop batteries by themselves.

[Litargirio]

5 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

I actually do see people buying and replacing car engines for their mustangs by themselves.

Yes, but the amount of people who do this is extremely small compared to the people who replace a broken hard drive or buy a new battery for their laptop.

 

2 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

I doubt the average joe would replace their laptop batteries by themselves.

Anyone who has two braincells to rub together can replace a battery. You are wrong.

[Kyonkanno]

Just now, Litargirio said:

Yes, but the amount of people who do this is extremely sall compared to the people who replace a broken hard drive or buy a new battery for their laptop.

You are missing my point. Anyone who is willing to open up his computer to replace anything inside it, should be knowledgeable enough to know his computer model and manufactured year. And that's all you need to buy replacement parts!

 

I just went to MSI's webpage to check them out. Just try to differentiate one laptop from another and you'll feel real confusion.

[Kyonkanno]

14 minutes ago, Litargirio said:

Yes, but the amount of people who do this is extremely small compared to the people who replace a broken hard drive or buy a new battery for their laptop.

 

Anyone who has two braincells to rub together can replace a battery. You are wrong.

not built in batteries. And anyone who has two braincells to rub together can type "Laptop_model, manufactured date, replacement battery"

 

amarite?

[Litargirio]

You have made zero arguments in your favour in your previous post.

 

• Just because you are knowledgeable and can replace a PC part doesn't mean that similar product names don't create unnecessary confusion.
• Just because MSI's naming scheme is confusing doesn't mean that similar product names don't create unnecessary confusion.

 

Though it seems like your mind is already made up, no point in continuing this conversation, since all you do is repeat the same thing over and over anyway.

[Kyonkanno]

the same could be said about you, you know? You just ignore what I'm saying and say that I haven't made any point. Fuck logic.

[SLAYR]

39 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

yeah, but the general idea stays the same (with Dell). You pick a Inspiron XXX XXX and you KNOW you are getting a mid range laptop, Although it's clear cut which one is newer. For example, Inspiron 14z vs Inspiron 14R. which one is newer?

I don't think it would be considered copying apple, as ALL car manufacturers do this already.

If someone cared which one was newer a 2s google search can find that info.

 

Car makers don't name them with a year though, the year is just there to show when it was released. The more official naming schemes involes usually generations, or chasis model numbers.

 

Dell calling something the dell vostro 2017 would be completely ripping off apple, and would be even more confusing since there would be multiple configurations of it, with model numbers you can find the exact parts that you need. Dell makes both amd/intel laptops which the motherboards aren't interchangable so finding parts is more confusing with just a year.

17 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

not built in batteries. And anyone who has two braincells to rub together can type "Laptop_model, manufactured date, replacement battery"

 

amarite?

But for most laptops all you need is the model number, and part number you don't need the year released it is irrelevant info.

[DildorTheDecent]

44 minutes ago, Kyonkanno said:

I doubt the average joe would replace their laptop batteries by themselves.

Replacing an engine is a far more complex progress compared to a laptop battery. 

 

The two are hardly comparable. 

[kaiju_wars]

I mean, MacBook Pro 13 (add year here) is pretty simple.

Stuff with like graphics cards, are kinda stupid.  Titan X and Titan X both don't make sense, especially when dealing with people. 

[Scruffy90]

Cars add years to differentiate unlike other consumer products. They always advertise it as "[year] [maker] [model]"

Other consumer products, as in razers case have the blade 14, new blade 14, new blade 14 (following year model) and I think year should be listed to avoid consumer confusion, especially if continuing to sell the older product.