Why Linus is wrong (another macbook topic)

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, VicBar said:

I think it was very courageous of you to make this post.

Don't need to be courageous to point out to hate-blinded anti-apple people that this change is actually a good thing.

[zMeul]

Just now, Enderman said:

All high end audio equipment uses thunderbolt.

Linus uses thunderbolt.

The ports on the new macbook are thunderbolt.

The problem was that thunderbolt 1 and 2 were non-standard connectors. Type-C USB is the new standard to replace USB-A, so this will make the adoption rate of thunderbolt 3 much higher.

you are confusing the TB connector with the protocol

I'm talking about this:

 

I remember a lot of people being very angry with Apple when they moved TB to the type C connector making all their docks and cables useless in a single move

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

you are confusing the TB connector with the protocol

I'm talking about this:

 

That is what I am talking about.

[VicBar]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Don't need to be courageous to point out to hate-blinded anti-apple people that this change is actually a good thing.

Well... I was making a play on words and being funny (which I know you got). But really you kinda do need courage.. Linus is revered by us and Apple hated us....  Unironically you post was courageous. But I still don't like Apple. Type-C is good, but since I'd never buy that Macbook (and I agree that there is nothing "Pro" about it) anyway, I will not go into this further.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, Enderman said:

That is what I am talking about.

yes and when all TB sources will move to type C connector how do you think people who spend thousand of USD on cables and docks will feel? eh ...

it's exactly how Apple's customers felt when they had to switch to the type C connector

 

oh, ps: Apple has stopped manufacturing ThunderBolt displays

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

yes and when all TB sources will move to type C coonector how do you think people who spend thousand of USD on cables and docks will feel? eh ...

it's exactly how Apple's customers felt when they had to switch to the type C connector

Then instead of using a thunderbolt 2 to thunderbolt 2 cable you buy a USB-C (thunderbolt 3) to thunderbolt 2 cable.

 

Why do you keep trying with the same argument??

The thunderbolt 3 ports DO NOT MAKE YOUR DEVICES STOP WORKING.

It just makes a different cable necessary to keep using them.

 

A.

Different.

$20

Cable.

Ok?

 

Or an adapter, if for some reason your device has a non-removable thunderbolt cable (which i doubt, anything high end like storage docks and monitors has a removable cable)

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

The thunderbolt 3 ports DO NOT MAKE YOUR DEVICES STOP WORKING.

and where did I said that?!

 

if I recall right, TB3 devices aren't compatible with TB2 docks - that means if they get TB3 devices they'll need new docks

daisy chaining TB2 with TB3 devices will also pose problems

[Enderman]

5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

and where did I said that?!

 

if I recall right, TB3 devices aren't compatible with TB2 docks - that means if they get TB3 devices they'll need new docks

daisy chaining TB2 with TB3 devices will also pose problems

You implied people who spent thousands on docks would for some reason need to stop using them?

Which is not true.....

 

Quote

Solutions and products built to Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt 2 specifications will work with Thunderbolt 3 via an adapter.

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all

 

Plz inform yourself on what thunderbolt 3 is.

[zMeul]

Just now, Enderman said:

Solutions and products built to Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt 2 specifications will work with Thunderbolt 3 via an adapter.

please red again what I said

TB2 works with TB3 but not vice-versa

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

please red again what I said

TB2 works with TB3 but not vice-versa

So you're telling me that people will be upset because they have a thunderbolt 2 macbook that they can't use with the new thunderbolt 3 devices?

 

Uh, do you understand how new technology works?? Since when was an older standard supposed to be compatible with a newer standard????

How would the newer standard be an improvement if it had to be limited to an older standard?

"oh no, I can't plug my USB mouse into my PS2 port on my 20 year old PC....oh no...."

 

You've got to be kidding me.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

So you're telling me that people will be upset because they have a thunderbolt 2 macbook that they can't use with the new thunderbolt 3 devices?

 

Uh, do you understand how new technology works?? Since when was an older standard supposed to be compatible with a newer standard????

How would the newer standard be an improvement if it had to be limited to an older standard?

"oh no, I can't plug my USB mouse into my PS2 port on my 20 year old PC....oh no...."

 

You've got to be kidding me.

what do I say and what you understood 

 

I'm done

[MoonlightSylv]

I get where you're coming from, and USB C should imo become the "all in one" port.

 

But as much as I want that to happen, for you to plug in almost anything you already own, you need an adapter. 

 

That may change someday, that day might be soon, but people aren't really going to go out and spend tons of money on new things that support USB-C if they already have something that does the same thing with USB-A or DisplayPort, or whatever else.

[TheKDub]

For a laptop, I'd consider four ports to be enough, and two ports to be too few.

There are many times when I'll want to have a flash drive plugged into my laptop, then sometimes also let a friend plug theirs in to copy a file to it from mine, or copy a file from one of my flash drives to another, or maybe I need to access both at the same time.

Then what if I need to charge the laptop at the same time? Guess I'm out of luck unless I get a usb hub for it.

 

They should have put at least three usb type c ports on the mbp, or at least included a few other ports than just two usb type c ports and one 3.5mm jack.

Adding something like usb type a, mini dp or mini hdmi, or others would have been nice.

[Clanscorpia]

3 minutes ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

I get where you're coming from, and USB C should imo become the "all in one" port.

 

But as much as I want that to happen, for you to plug in almost anything you already own, you need an adapter. 

 

That may change someday, that day might be soon, but people aren't really going to go out and spend tons of money on new things that support USB-C if they already have something that does the same thing with USB-A or DisplayPort, or whatever else.

If your spending that money on the laptop its not that much for an adapter 

[Enderman]

12 minutes ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

That may change someday, that day might be soon, but people aren't really going to go out and spend tons of money on new things that support USB-C if they already have something that does the same thing with USB-A or DisplayPort, or whatever else.

???

Did you not read the post?

This is EXACTLY what apple is doing by only putting USB-C ports on the macbook pro.

They are forcing people to start buying into the new standard.

 

Otherwise, as you can see for the past year, barely anyone has bought USB-C devices because they just decide to stick to the old USB-A or DP or other ports.

 

By REMOVING other options, apple is making USB-C thunderbolt 3 happen MUCH faster than it otherwise would.

 

9 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

For a laptop, I'd consider four ports to be enough, and two ports to be too few.

Yeah I agree 2 is too few.

[TheKDub]

24 minutes ago, Enderman said:

???

Did you not read the post?

This is EXACTLY what apple is doing by only putting USB-C ports on the macbook pro.

They are forcing people to start buying into the new standard.

 

Otherwise, as you can see for the past year, barely anyone has bought USB-C devices because they just decide to stick to the old USB-A or DP or other ports.

 

By REMOVING other options, apple is making USB-C thunderbolt 3 happen MUCH faster than it otherwise would.

 

Yeah I agree 2 is too few.

 

They should at least give more of the single port if they're only going to offer the single type of port (Excluding headphone jack).

 

At least they're learning from the last fuckup they did with a single port.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

 

They should at least give more of the single port if they're only going to offer the single type of port (Excluding headphone jack).

 

At least they're learning from the last fuckup they did with a single port.

That's why I think 4 is good but 2 is not really enough.

[samiscool51]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

"you're wrong."

there said it.

lol

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, samiscool51 said:

there said it.

lol

...

[samiscool51]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

...

i'm a child at heart...

an annoying child... 

[sgloux3470]

As a rule, specialists will always be better than a jack of all trades.  I'm not convinced USB type C can completely take over for all other ports for the next 20 years like they want.  Can it do freesync?  Does it support HDCCP? etc etc.  Besides, who doesn't miss the days of big and meaty display connectors that felt so nice to plug in.  

 

Moreover, removing legacy ports (and requiring the use of adapters) just reduces consumer options.  It's fine to add a USB type C port, but completely removing all other ports people have existing devices for is not going to make people happy.   Remember how  video cards, monitors etc still have ports for DVI or even VGA for years after HDMI was commonplace?  Legacy support is important for all but the most high end products that simply require the new standard to function. 

 

 

 

[Enderman]

22 minutes ago, sgloux3470 said:

As a rule, specialists will always be better than a jack of all trades.  I'm not convinced USB type C can completely take over for all other ports for the next 20 years like they want.  Can it do freesync?  Does it support HDCCP? etc etc.  Besides, who doesn't miss the days of big and meaty display connectors that felt so nice to plug in.  

 

Moreover, removing legacy ports (and requiring the use of adapters) just reduces consumer options.  It's fine to add a USB type C port, but completely removing all other ports people have existing devices for is not going to make people happy.   Remember how  video cards, monitors etc still have ports for DVI or even VGA for years after HDMI was commonplace?  Legacy support is important for all but the most high end products that simply require the new standard to function. 

The USB-C ports are thunderbolt 3 which contain DP 1.2, so yes it can do freesync.

The days of "big meaty connectors" back when parallel port was a thing are gone, get over it.

 

Removing legacy ports is necessary to move forward. You can see that for the past year almost nobody moved to USB-C because few manufacturers made devices with USB-C, because there was always the USB-A alternative.

The problem with people is that they always stick with what is old and known rather than moving to something newer that will be better.

 

Guess why you are using USB-A right now? Because parallel ports, game ports, serial port, and PS2 ports were removed.

If you for some reason still use one of those disgustingly outdated technologies you can always buy an adapter.

 

"oh we need to keep backwards compatibility, let's put every port from the past 100 years so that nobody is left out" This completely impedes technological progress, and we would all be using about 50 different 20 year old connectors today.

 

"Got a printer, gotta pull out my parallel cable. Got a mouse, gotta pull out my PS2 cable. Got a controller, gotta pull out my gameport cable. Oh no, I have a VGA cable but no serial cable, I'm screwed!"

I think you can see how absurd that is.

Please, stop acting like some 80 year old grandparents and get used to change. Even my grandparents are more understanding of the progression to newer technologies than some of the people in this topic.

[bobhays]

6 hours ago, Enderman said:

Well that's exactly what my particular university looks like.

At least in the classes that require a laptop in class, because in classes that don't some people use pen and paper instead of their laptop.

 

But when people bring out their laptops, yes, that's exactly what it looks like. more than three quarters are apple.

In the past year I have started to see several XPS laptops instead of macbooks though, like maybe 5%.

Wow every college class I've seen is pretty close to 50/50 and depending on the class might be more windows. I know within my own circle its about 3:1 windows:mac, but that's because of engineering stuffs.

[TheLaserCucumber]

Another problem that I have is that the 2014 model of the 13" MBP throttles when under full load.

I don't know how it is with the 2016 one. I could think of that the 13" without the Touchbar and the 15W U chip doesn't throttle, but the one with the Touchbar and the 28W U chip.

A 15W chip shouldn't be in a "Pro" product, and a throttling 28W chip also shouldn't be in one.

Besides the fact that the 2016 MBP has less venting than previous models.

[Enderman]

3 hours ago, TheLaserCucumber said:

Another problem that I have is that the 2014 model of the 13" MBP throttles when under full load.

I don't know how it is with the 2016 one. I could think of that the 13" without the Touchbar and the 15W U chip doesn't throttle, but the one with the Touchbar and the 28W U chip.

A 15W chip shouldn't be in a "Pro" product, and a throttling 28W chip also shouldn't be in one.

Besides the fact that the 2016 MBP has less venting than previous models.

This topic discussion is about IO only, not anything else about the macbooks.