cheap but powerful Did you know that GTX 1070 builds can actually be pretty cheap?

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2 minutes ago, I<3me said:

200 dollars more for 2 fps more niceee

List of most CPU intensive game

https://ageeky.com/top-10-most-cpu-intensive-games/

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2685368/graphically-intensive-game-gaming-build-required-max-settings.html

 

 

[ThinkWithPortals]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

Faster than 4GHz or 3.4GHz...without context, 3.2GHz can be fast  (it's faster than the 3.4GHz clocked 4460 and faster than a 4GHz clocked FX chip...so it's not all about the JiggerHertz )

Oh I know, he just said it like 3.2 was a massive improvement from 2.7, which it so isn't.

[Mr.Meerkat]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

eh. a 1060 is more in the budget range, along with the i5 6400

see it like this:

- i5 6400 = €219

- GTX1070 = €500-ish for a decent cooler

- GTX1060 = €300 range

 

the price gap between those two cards is in the same range of the price of the CPU, at that point you should wonder about more than just performance, you should actually consider if you're a cheapskate that buys the cheapest of everything but his GPU to prove something to yourself.

 

13 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i wouldnt even recommend that chip paired to an R9 390..

Hmmmm...is that some nice contradiction there?  (a 390 is basically weaker than the 1060 so...)

[manikyath]

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6320/3512vs3535

 

i like how that i5 only manages to win by 10% in multicore FP over the fastest i3 (which is by the way, an acceptable amount cheaper)

[I<3me]

4 minutes ago, manikyath said:

eh. a 1060 is more in the budget range, along with the i5 6400

see it like this:

- i5 6400 = €219

- GTX1070 = €500-ish for a decent cooler

- GTX1060 = €300 range

 

the price gap between those two cards is in the same range of the price of the CPU, at that point you should wonder about more than just performance, you should actually consider if you're a cheapskate that buys the cheapest of everything but his GPU to prove something to yourself.

wtf is up with the pricing with where you live

[ThinkWithPortals]

Just now, I<3me said:

wtf is up with the pricing with where you live

Welcome to Europe.

[manikyath]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

 

Hmmmm...is that some nice contradiction there?  (a 390 is basically weaker than the 1060 so...)

it's about pairing the most high end GPU with the most potato i5.

 

the R9 390 was amd's "top end GPU" of the R9 range (until they unleashed their fury upon the gpu market)

the i5 6400 is intel's take on a budget quad core.

 

do you see the contradiction here?

[I<3me]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6320/3512vs3535

 

i like how that i5 only manages to win by 10% in multicore FP over the fastest i3 (which is by the way, an acceptable amount cheaper)

but the bottleneck would increase and might not be as playable as with an i5

[manikyath]

Just now, I<3me said:

wtf is up with the pricing with where you live

the pricing is me earning €1200/mo and being a decent bit below minimum wage

(that's after taxes btw)

[I<3me]

11 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

I would say half true and half false,this obviously depends on the game  

That's "enough" for gaming and whatnot...

 

It's okay for lower power builds, yes I have first hand experience with the 430Watt 80+ white 24/7 for a month mining on a 7950 and folding on a 2300 was rock stable, I still wouldn't recommend for a "higher end" build  (especially when there's a 1070 in it...)

 

So my 6400 and 1060 combo is a bad idea? Although I don't notice much of a difference between when my 290X (when it didn't die) and 5820k vs that machine...

 

Nah, I'm going to side with OP (if he changed out the PSU and maybe added a cheap SSD)  as yes, I know it's not that balanced but come on, it's still a skylake i5 and 1070 while being "decently" cheap which as a concept is fine  

 

I think people are getting too used to "must have this at least to be paired with this" idea as yes it may bottleneck or whatever but considering how much you're spending, as a suggestion/concept, I have no idea why you guys are bashing him so much  (unless it's the PSU then feel free to bash him as much as you want )

thanks for tellimg them to bash me

 

[I<3me]

3 minutes ago, manikyath said:

it's about pairing the most high end GPU with the most potato i5.

 

the R9 390 was amd's "top end GPU" of the R9 range (until they unleashed their fury upon the gpu market)

the i5 6400 is intel's take on a budget quad core.

 

do you see the contradiction here?

the most potato i5 then is pretty powerful in my opinion lel

[manikyath]

Just now, I<3me said:

the most potato i5 then is pretty powerful in my opinion lel

well.. compare it to the least potato (non-K) i5:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600/3512vs3514

that's roughly the same price jump as the i3 i mentioned earlier, and bumping out a respectable 15% more FP performance, where the i3 was only 8% slower than the i5 6400.

 

if we're talking budget builds, getting one of the higher i5's is a significant consideration in the long run, possibly even much more so than a better GPU when looking at the GTX10 series.

[I<3me]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

well.. compare it to the least potato (non-K) i5:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600/3512vs3514

that's roughly the same price jump as the i3 i mentioned earlier, and bumping out a respectable 15% more FP performance, where the i3 was only 8% slower than the i5 6400.

 

if we're talking budget builds, getting one of the higher i5's is a significant consideration in the long run, possibly even much more so than a better GPU when looking at the GTX10 series.

the fp performance wont interpret into better gaming performance bruv

[manikyath]

3 minutes ago, I<3me said:

the fp performance wont interpret into better gaming performance bruv

you'd be surprised, "bruv" 

[I<3me]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

you'd be surprised, "bruv" 

no not at all its like 40 dollars more for 5 more fps thats not how the guy on the budget thinks

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, I<3me said:

no not at all its like 40 dollars more for 5 more fps thats not how the guy on the budget thinks

you know, every time someone tells me a component will get you "X" amount of extra fps, they lose all credibility to me because they have clearly proven they have no idea what they're on about.

[I<3me]

Just now, manikyath said:

you know, every time someone tells me a component will get you "X" amount of extra fps, they lose all credibility to me because they have clearly proven they have no idea what they're on about.

i believe i have an idea about what im on about lel

[I<3me]

Just now, I<3me said:

i believe i have an idea about what im on about lel

the smart person wants statistics not the more you spend the better

[manikyath]

Just now, I<3me said:

i believe i have an idea about what im on about lel

if with an i5 6400 my game runs at 30FPS, does that lean the i5 6600 will get me a 17% increase in performance?

 

if so, please yes get me the i5 6600 already.

[Mr.Meerkat]

19 minutes ago, manikyath said:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6320/3512vs3535

 

i like how that i5 only manages to win by 10% in multicore FP over the fastest i3 (which is by the way, an acceptable amount cheaper)

15 pounds cheaper? Nah, I would take the real 4 core processor every day  

 

18 minutes ago, manikyath said:

it's about pairing the most high end GPU with the most potato i5.

 

the R9 390 was amd's "top end GPU" of the R9 range (until they unleashed their fury upon the gpu market)

the i5 6400 is intel's take on a budget quad core.

 

do you see the contradiction here?

That's like saying you shouldn't pair a 580 with an i3 6100 although it has the performance similar to a 760...where it's acceptable to pair the 760 with the i3...Hmmmmmm...top kek? 

[manikyath]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

15 pounds cheaper? Nah, I would take the real 4 core processor every day  

 

That's like saying you shouldn't pair a 580 with an i3 6100 although it has the performance similar to a 760...where it's acceptable to pair the 760 with the i3...Hmmmmmm...top kek? 

but why would you buy a 580 and pair it to a brand new processor?

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, manikyath said:

but why would you buy a 580 and pair it to a brand new processor?

Just using it as an example...a 580 is a top tier GPU back in the days and now you're about to pair it with a high low-end/low mid-range CPU where you obviously can't pair a high end GPU with the i3 although it has the same performance as the 760...

[manikyath]

Just now, Mr.Meerkat said:

Just using it as an example...a 580 is a top tier GPU back in the days and now you're about to pair it with a high low-end/low mid-range CPU where you obviously can't pair a high end GPU with the i3 although it has the same performance as the 760...

should probably add i severely dislike buying old GPUs more for every genertation they're old. the GTX580 has a whole range of other issues why i wouldnt even come close to recommending it.

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

should probably add i severely dislike buying old GPUs more for every genertation they're old. the GTX580 has a whole range of other issues why i wouldnt even come close to recommending it.

But that's not the point, shouldn't we be judging a card by it's performance rather than what tier it was/is in? A 580 was in a higher tier than the 760 was but they have similar performance so let's say they costed the same and they performed exactly the same (disregarding power consumption and everything else) then you can't say which one is better. 

Bottom line is, a 390 IS slower than a 1060 so you can't say the 390 is a bad match while the 1060 is an okay match.

[NanneyGoat]

1 hour ago, I<3me said:

idek why all the builds with the gtx 1070 are all $1000+ but in all seriousness you can build a badass system for like $790 with the gtx 1070 thats also mitx and if you make it matx it might even be cheaper... heres the build:

-i5 6400 - $180 might bottleneck a little but not too severely like 5 to 10 fps only

-Asrock H110M itx/ac - $70 i know its a little on the cheaper side but atleast it has ac wifi and is really not that bad

-ballistix sport lt 8gb ddr4 2400 - $32 8gb is enough stop whining and dont worry the motherboard will automatically downclock it to 2133

-WD blue 7200rpm 1tb hdd - $50 we are on a budget extra storage will increase price

-Asus turbo gtx 1070 - $380 the price is currently jacked up but soon it will be normal

-EVGA 500 W1 - $35 you dont need a 1500w power supply

-silverstone sg13b - $40 its a nice tiny little case

total: $787 wooow

 

its like people on youtube who put these builds together are really trying to make the 1070 out of reach from the 700 to 900 dollar gaming pc

 

I see what you're trying to get at. You can build a new rig with a 1070 for on the downlow if you're willing to sacrifice some preformance.  For me though, If I was going to build a new system with a 1070, I'd pour a lot more money than $700 otherwise it wouldn't be worth it.  It's like placing a engine from a Ferrari into the body of a Honda civic. (I know that's not how cars works it's just an algology)