Intel or wait for Zen?

[sgtbreezy93]

Im going to upgrade my CPU (fx 8320). 

Should i wait for Zen or just buy an i5 skylake? I was thinking about a i5 6500 with msi b150 bazooka and Crucial ddr4 2133 mhz RAM.

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Are you willing to wait another 5 months? 

 

 

[Dabombinable]

Considering the prediction off AMD's stated performance increase with Zen was close to that of Haswell, and the fact that an ES Zen CPU seems to fall far short, plus the fact that Skylake CPU is faster than one based on Haswell. I'd say get something from the Skylake line. The i5 6500 should be fine for quite a while.

[rn8686]

5 minutes ago, sgtbreezy93 said:

Im going to upgrade my CPU (fx 8320). 

Should i wait for Zen or just buy an i5 skylake? I was thinking about a i5 6500 with msi b150 bazooka and Crucial ddr4 2133 mhz RAM.

 

It depends if you are willing to wait 3-5 months for zen. 

[Lays]

AMD hasn't done anything special in the last few years, I wouldn't bet anything on them.

 

Get something now if you have money now, waiting is time you could be enjoying your PC purchase.

[Enderman]

Well, you can either wait half a year to be disappointed, or at best get something similar to haswell, or you can buy skylake now and already have something great that you can use for an extra 6 months.

[ThatOneRussian]

An i5 skylake will handle games easily. Depends more on your gpu. Dont bother waiting for Zen it will probably be worse than the skylake looking at patterns and what AMD says.

[Teddy07]

13 minutes ago, ThatOneRussian said:

An i5 skylake will handle games easily. Depends more on your gpu. Dont bother waiting for Zen it will probably be worse than the skylake looking at patterns and what AMD says.

There is no way that Zen is competing with skylake. All evidence lead to the conclusion that zen is battling with haswell but even there has trouble

[ThatOneRussian]

Just now, Teddy07 said:

There is no way that Zen is competing with skylake. All evidence lead to the conclusion that zen is battling with haswell but even there has trouble

So like what I said.... We dont know anything about it you cant straight out say no chance

[pinksnowmanshandle]

1 hour ago, Lays said:

AMD hasn't done anything special in the last few years, I wouldn't bet anything on them.

 

Get something now if you have money now, waiting is time you could be enjoying your PC purchase.

You know that's sort of the good thing about having to wait because you don't have the money to do anything for a build is that you're forced to wait and in that waiting you might get something potentially better than what you would've otherwise gotten sooner.

 

Now as far as Zen ES or whatever they're calling the CPUs that are suppose to replace the current FX CPUs, it could very well be a better value than a 6600K and in which case, I would likely switch over to that if I found a mobo I liked.

 

Now for OPs case if they are able to buy now. They should just buy now since I don't expect Zen to see performance much better than maybe a 6700K and that's probably pushing it a lot. But that's a good thing for AMD though. Like Linus said in yesterday's WAN show (I'm guessing it's Saturday for everyone now since it's 3am here in Minnesota) AMD just needs to get their performance in line with what Intel is currently offering and deliver it as competitvely priced as possible. If it's literally on par with a 6600K and costs the same then it would come down to mobo costs. Which iirc AMD is putting the PCH on the CPU rather than on the mobo so that could cut down on mobo costs. Hard to say though.

[FPS-Russia]

I have hope in ZEN.

[ThatOneRussian]

Just now, FPS-Russia said:

I have hope in ZEN.

Says the guy with that build....

[pinksnowmanshandle]

Just now, wcreek said:

You know that's sort of the good thing about having to wait because you don't have the money to do anything for a build is that you're forced to wait and in that waiting you might get something potentially better than what you would've otherwise gotten sooner.

 

Now as far as Zen ES or whatever they're calling the CPUs that are suppose to replace the current FX CPUs, it could very well be a better value than a 6600K and in which case, I would likely switch over to that if I found a mobo I liked.

 

Now for OPs case if they are able to buy now. They should just buy now since I don't expect Zen to see performance much better than maybe a 6700K and that's probably pushing it a lot. But that's a good thing for AMD though. Like Linus said in yesterday's WAN show (I'm guessing it's Saturday for everyone now since it's 3am here in Minnesota) AMD just needs to get their performance in line with what Intel is currently offering and deliver it as competitvely priced as possible. If it's literally on par with a 6600K and costs the same then it would come down to mobo costs. Which iirc AMD is putting the PCH on the CPU rather than on the mobo so that could cut down on mobo costs. Hard to say though.

I should add, that I think AMD has got it figured out where they can kinda do some "fundraising" to feed fund their malnourished underfunded R&D department and that's the mainstream. Yes targeting enthusiast grade stuff would give them more money per unit sold, however I suspect that it probably would take a lot money for R&D on that kinda stuff.

[FPS-Russia]

Ok i not allowed to say nice things to AMD. I will trash every time i see AMD thread.

[Lays]

3 minutes ago, wcreek said:

You know that's sort of the good thing about having to wait because you don't have the money to do anything for a build is that you're forced to wait and in that waiting you might get something potentially better than what you would've otherwise gotten sooner.

 

Now as far as Zen ES or whatever they're calling the CPUs that are suppose to replace the current FX CPUs, it could very well be a better value than a 6600K and in which case, I would likely switch over to that if I found a mobo I liked.

 

Now for OPs case if they are able to buy now. They should just buy now since I don't expect Zen to see performance much better than maybe a 6700K and that's probably pushing it a lot. But that's a good thing for AMD though. Like Linus said in yesterday's WAN show (I'm guessing it's Saturday for everyone now since it's 3am here in Minnesota) AMD just needs to get their performance in line with what Intel is currently offering and deliver it as competitvely priced as possible. If it's literally on par with a 6600K and costs the same then it would come down to mobo costs. Which iirc AMD is putting the PCH on the CPU rather than on the mobo so that could cut down on mobo costs. Hard to say though.

If you have the money however and you're still waiting, I don't really understand why wait unless you 100% know the release date is right around the corner.

 

99% of the time new stuff really isn't some crazy leap ahead, and you may lose out on months/weeks of using your PC if you hadn't waited.

[pinksnowmanshandle]

Just now, ThatOneRussian said:

Says the guy with that build....

a 6800K?

I can understand why he could still be hopeful for Zen being good. Just because I might not use Zen in my planned build doesn't mean I can't hope for it being good.

[Dabombinable]

46 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Hard to say.  For one there's a big misconception about the aim of AMD.

 

1)  They have been bipolar all over the market.  Up to 8350 they focused on everyone then the 9xxx chips were focused on the OC community.  

 

2)  We don't really know the actual performance of Zen, so everyone is just speculating of what it might be.  In reality, we don't know, and putting everything on failure or "he said she said" crap is dumb when in reality it can go anyway.

 

3)  Hard to say, tbh.  That's more up to you.  You can wait for something that can go in any direction, or buy Haswell or Skylake.

Look, the FX 9*** series was just there as a quick cash grab, and the returns on even a 300MHz overclock with the CPU already at 5GHz was very poor.

[ThatOneRussian]

Just now, wcreek said:

a 6800K?

I can understand why he could still be hopeful for Zen being good. Just because I might not use Zen in my planned build doesn't mean I can't hope for it being good.

Banta

[GlassBomb]

1 hour ago, sgtbreezy93 said:

Im going to upgrade my CPU (fx 8320). 

Should i wait for Zen or just buy an i5 skylake? I was thinking about a i5 6500 with msi b150 bazooka and Crucial ddr4 2133 mhz RAM.

Unless it's coming out within the next few weeks, then I wouldn't bother. The latest and greatest will always lay in the future, and it will always be something that people will wait for.

 

If you need a new computer now, and have the budget for it. Then get it now.

[Lays]

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Look, the FX 9*** series was just there as a quick cash grab, and the returns on even a 300MHz overclock with the CPU already at 5GHz was very poor.

In CPU intensive programs, the gains are near linear.  If 4000 + 100 mhz gives you 25 extra points, 5000 + 1000 will give a similar boost.

[pinksnowmanshandle]

Just now, Lays said:

If you have the money however and you're still waiting, I don't really understand why wait unless you 100% know the release date is right around the corner.

 

99% of the time new stuff really isn't some crazy leap ahead, and you may lose out on months/weeks of using your PC if you hadn't waited.

Very true. I remember when Skylake came out and it was apparent (still technically is) that if people with Haswell or Haswell refresh were maybe hoping for a huge increase would not really benefit from the initial early adopters tax that came with Skylake, Z170 and still the pretty low availability of DDR4 at the time.

2 minutes ago, ThatOneRussian said:

Banta

Hmm?

[GlassBomb]

Just now, Lays said:

In CPU intensive programs, the gains are near linear.  If 4000 + 100 mhz gives you 25 extra points, 5000 + 1000 will give a similar boost.

What he means is that the FX 9XXX were just pre-binned, and pre-overclocked chips. That they sold for a bit more money.

[Dabombinable]

2 minutes ago, Lays said:

In CPU intensive programs, the gains are near linear.  If 4000 + 100 mhz gives you 25 extra points, 5000 + 1000 will give a similar boost.

The problem is that I've only ever seen that happen in benchmarks. CMT has always been best at low clock speeds.

[Dabombinable]

2 minutes ago, GlassBomb said:

What he means is that the FX 9XXX were just pre-binned, and pre-overclocked chips. That they sold for a bit more money.

$1000 is more than just "a bit more" in the case of the 9590-it was outright insane when FX 830 and 8350 had been known to hit the same clock speed at the same voltages.

[GlassBomb]

4 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

$1000 is more than just "a bit more" in the case of the 9590-it was outright insane when FX 830 and 8350 had been known to hit the same clock speed at the same voltages.

A dollar-figure was never mentioned. Only a clock speed.

 

But that's what I meant, that they made you pay a premium for pre-binned, and pre-overclocked chips.

 

Edit: but if they actually cost $1,000. Then that's simple, they just marked it towards those who wanted 'The Best'. The same people who buy the Intel Extreme CPU's for ordinary use.