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[Updated] Sony officially confirms 4K ready Playstation - "PS4 Neo"

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7 minutes ago, yorkiesandskittles said:

This is the PS4 we should have gotten back in 2013.

tbh 4K gaming back in 2013 was still quite a fleeting dream even for PC though

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2 minutes ago, GarnetDevil said:

tbh 4K back in 2013 was still quite a fleeting dream even for PC though

Well, we do know that this will only be playing light games at 4K, much like the mid-high end PCs of 2013.

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So they put an underclocked RX 480 in there, but only a little more bandwidth, looks like it would be better suited for higher fps than higher resolution, which makes the cpu's clock bump make more sense, I'd say right in line with what you would need for VR.

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So basically, games will run on both Ps4s.

Therefore, PS4 titles will only run smoother on the Neo than on the vanilla PS4, right ?

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9 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

Judging by the kind of broken releases I see from triple A devs I'm betting they would screw up the optimisation for one of the consoles. There is a finite amount of resources and these resources will have to be split up for two consoles now for every major release rather than one; a compromise has to be made more or less. 

True, but if they have half a brain they keep the normal PS4 as the priority and just focus on that, then just give a graphic boost to the 4k console and its not like they aren't making the textures or models for it, most of the process in making content is just making it as detailed as possible for the pre rendered trailers/cutscenes, then downsaple everything to run real time in the hardware, the only games that will actually have some considerable amount of difference (like they always do) its first party games.

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14 minutes ago, IhazHedont said:

So basically, games will run on both Ps4s.

Therefore, PS4 titles will only run smoother on the Neo than on the vanilla PS4, right ?

If it's the same deal as the 3DS and New 3DS, there is a good chance that most games will run the same on both PS4s, and only if the developer chooses to optimize for the Neo will the game run faster on it.

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17 minutes ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

True, but if they have half a brain they keep the normal PS4 as the priority and just focus on that, then just give a graphic boost to the 4k console and its not like they aren't making the textures or models for it, most of the process in making content is just making it as detailed as possible for the pre rendered trailers/cutscenes, then downsaple everything to run real time in the hardware, the only games that will actually have some considerable amount of difference (like they always do) its first party games.

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I mean... at this point couldn't they just release a ps5 with a decent cpu? And as for the gpu, that's not even as good as an r9 290 - it may be able to play some games at 4k but not without a significant settings downgrade. I guess the price will dictate wether it's a better purchase than a "normal" ps4 but frankly I doubt it.

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Well I know I'll be getting it. Hype for 60 FPS Bloodborne. Hopefully, at some time in the future.

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4 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Well I know I'll be getting it. Hype for 60 FPS Bloodborne. Hopefully, at some time in the future.

Hype for 30 FPS APB Reloaded.

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1 minute ago, yorkiesandskittles said:

Hype for 30 FPS APB Reloaded.

That one got me, good one! 

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1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

They should wait and secure some Zen cores and some GDDR5X at least. That would make it an excellent upgrade.

GDDR5X is not really that impressive. HBM is a much larger jump in performance 

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43 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

So 36 compute units, with the 64 stream processors per CU, that gives 2304 stream processors.

 

That's the same as the RX480. We know the price of that when it's sold separately, so you can be guaranteed that Sony got that GPU at a nice price reduction since they only need the GPU, not the entire card.

 

That's nice, if the thing costs around $500 it'll finally be something worthy of getting.

 

If it costs $499 I will honestly pick one up and a portable screen and mod it into my backpack. 

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gotta sell my ps4 quickly before the price drops

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1 hour ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

That is nice and all, but the cross-compatibility between system for the games and software (in particular with the retail disks), will still be a pain to program.

Yeah it's a pain to autodetect and change shit like draw distance, texture quality and post processing for all of 2 SKUS. 

 

Wait, Nvidia and AMD already do that shit automatically for MILLIONS of configuration variables on PC.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

GDDR5X is not really that impressive. HBM is a much larger jump in performance 

For what it is, it's actually fairly impressive. It's potentially twice as fast as GDDR5 and should eventually be as cheap (and it's basically the same implementation as GDDR5). HBM2 is twice as fast still but will always be more expensive to implement. So using GDDR5X would be a good compromise.

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11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I mean... at this point couldn't they just release a ps5 with a decent cpu? And as for the gpu, that's not even as good as an r9 290 - it may be able to play some games at 4k but not without a significant settings downgrade. I guess the price will dictate wether it's a better purchase than a "normal" ps4 but frankly I doubt it.

They don't need to: they switched to x86 precisely to avoid costly platform changes, from  now on its gonna be incremental upgrades, fully backwards compatible all the way back. Pretty great concept if you aren't biased to think that you need huge tech jumps every 8 years instead. 

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1 minute ago, Trixanity said:

For what it is, it's actually fairly impressive. It's potentially twice as fast as GDDR5 and should eventually be as cheap (and it's basically the same implementation as GDDR5). HBM2 is twice as fast still but will always be more expensive to implement. So using GDDR5X would be a good compromise.

Umm HBM2 has a bandwidth of 1TB/s which is around 73 times faster then GDDR5X at 1.75ghz

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5 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah it's a pain to autodetect and change shit like draw distance, texture quality and post processing for all of 2 SKUS. 

 

Wait, Nvidia and AMD already do that shit automatically for MILLIONS of configuration variables on PC.

Very large difference between implicit and explicit parameters, just so you know.

Read the community standards; it's like a guide on how to not be a moron.

 

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Remember, calling facts opinions does not ever make the facts opinions, no matter what nonsense you pull.

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I only have a PS4 so I can play Bloodborne. I won't be buying a PS4 Neo unless there's a Bloodborne 2 or Demon Souls remaster that runs at 60fps on the system. But if those games ever exist and run at 30fps on both systems I'll just keep my normal PS4. 

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41 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Umm HBM2 has a bandwidth of 1TB/s which is around 73 times faster then GDDR5X at 1.75ghz

Those are two different measurements. One is bytes, one is hertz. They are not interchangeable.

HBM2 tops out at 1 TB/s. GDDR5X can do 448 GB/s on a 256-bit bus. I suppose in theory it could be doubled to 896 GB/s on a 512-bit bus (although probably not worth the investment).

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20 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

Very large difference between implicit and explicit parameters, just so you know.

You still have just 2 fucking skus it's next to no work vs launching a PC game with often decades worth of compatible hardware and a sea of drivers. 

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1 hour ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

So 36 compute units, with the 64 stream processors per CU, that gives 2304 stream processors.

 

That's the same as the RX480. We know the price of that when it's sold separately, so you can be guaranteed that Sony got that GPU at a nice price reduction since they only need the GPU, not the entire card.

 

That's nice, if the thing costs around $500 it'll finally be something worthy of getting.

 

It probably is the RX 480 or a very similar chip tbh. I wouldn't mind one either. Its a steal! :D

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53 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

They don't need to: they switched to x86 precisely to avoid costly platform changes, from  now on its gonna be incremental upgrades, fully backwards compatible all the way back. Pretty great concept if you aren't biased to think that you need huge tech jumps every 8 years instead. 

May I ask you what the point of a console is then? Retrocompatibility is nice of course, but the moment you start sectioning graphical quality you've basically built a locked down overpriced pc.

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