Are Mac computers really that bad?

[Trav_X]

59 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

MacOSX is incredible...their hardware is an utter garbage money grab. I am sorry but I am not paying $400 extra for 32gb of DDR3 RAM. IOS is a different story. I like the iphone it feels solid and has some cool features, but my god it is pricey. Also IOS updates need to happen way more often. Everyday my phone has a stupid glitch like getting stuck in a menu with that swipe down or left stupidness. IOS 7 was the last good IOS and everything before that was stellar.

I can completely agree with everything you said. I love my iPhone 6, but there are so many problems that make me want to get a Samsung or Nexus like some people I know. The newest iOS's have been trash, true, and I still love using my iPad 1 without Siri or a camera, stuck at iOS 5.1.2 because of its super shitty interior specs. OSX is lovely I agree, and I will probably just do a partition + Hackintosh on my desktop build to take advantage of what I do actually like about it personally.

[pit5000]

my macbook pro retina 15 is my main computer. It has it's ups and downs.

 

I like to think of them as hipster machines

[AlTech]

10 hours ago, jackm1120 said:

Its habitual. People who use macs are generally used to things a certain way, and the same goes for windows. I use windows because i was raised on it, and i have an Iphone because thats the mobile platform i was raised on aswell, despite the fact that the 6s cost me almost a grand and the layout sucks, i just like having ios and imessage because its something i know, not that its better

Same kind of mentality. I use Windows and I am used to the way things are. I learned to like it (much less be able to use it) through school since in my house we had a really ancient Mac Book Plastic one. Then I grew to love Windows when using XP in school. Then few years later they upgraded to 7 and since then I liked it. At one point I started to like Macs more. BUT That phase ended quickly and the PC re-affirmed it's position in my life. And then I needed a smartphone. Having liked Windows 8.1 and the Live Tiles and stuff. I naturally sprung to Windows Phone because it looked really cool and familiar (and because I really hated how little privacy android had). It struck me as being futuristic and forward thinking. Personally I prefer the metro start screen FOR laptops with a touchscreen. (This is why When I get my Surface Pro 4. I'll be using it in tablet mode a lot) But what really made me pick Windows Phone was that I wanted it to be familiar and yet instantly recognizable. I wanted it to be an extension of my computer. And so I found a windows phone with some decent specs and great price and bought one. Do I regret it? A little bit but only because of the app gap. Nothing else about it bothers me.

[mikat]

11 hours ago, Trav_X said:

I always have respect for people who have a windowed 230T orange :3 I have one of those and it's hot as balls

everyone i tell that i have an orange computer goes:

and i tell them:

[mbryant]

On 3/8/2016 at 7:55 AM, Zubkover said:

Dunno if that was said, but my main reason of hate, is that there were two companies...
Or actually two companies that somewhat excelled in the first PC era years - IBM and Apple.
One was open environment, one was closed.

Apple failed. IBM won, and Apple had to "take over" schematics of the hardware in order to survive.

Now we have NEARLY every PC company, and Apple.

APPLE IS STILL FU* CLOSED ENVIRONMENT FFS, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS SECOND TIME!?

Apple-only peripherals? WAT. Apple-only connectors? WAT.
Ok, thunderbolt is ok, but still. Even Mac-only users genuinely hate Apple for this tactic.

Ow, and also. WHY WOULD YA SOLDER CHIPS ONTO THE BOARDS OF NON-LAPTOPS?! WHY.

 

in reference to what? Mac's accept standard RAM, HDD's, SSD's, and all peripherals I honestly can't name a mouse or keyboard that didn't work on a Mac and I even had a better experience with device support on my Mac, for example my audio interface which I didn't need ANY drivers for on my Mac but on my PC I had to download them.

 

Now if you are referring to GPU's and CPU's then sure I get where you are coming from but Mac's are for people who don't want to deal with the "hassle" of upgrading components or maybe they are okay with paying a premium to have apple install their RAM because they are afraid too. As people who build and upgrade our own computers it's a hard thing to understand. My beef with apple is that they inflate their prices an incredible amount and to be specific I chose parts to match and that slightly exceeded the $1800 iMac and the PC cost was close to $1000

[KWelz]

I can't find a 5k display for less than $1200.  Where are you getting $1000 for everything?

[mbryant]

2 hours ago, KWelz said:

I can't find a 5k display for less than $1200.  Where are you getting $1000 for everything?

Should've specified.. hardware for $1000, and to the display... apple makes gorgeous machines and displays, however I do recall the 'i Switched to Mac" series where the iMac did have trouble driving the display with jittery animations and what not, that being said I still think the iMac is a great machine. 

[ruiqimao]

I personally find Macs to be pretty great. I use my desktop, running Arch, while in my dorm, but use my MacBook Pro when I'm outside. I've still yet to find any laptop with a trackpad as good as Apple's and the OSX terminal lets me SSH into my desktop when I need to do work.

[mbryant]

2 hours ago, ruiqimao said:

I personally find Macs to be pretty great. I use my desktop, running Arch, while in my dorm, but use my MacBook Pro when I'm outside. I've still yet to find any laptop with a trackpad as good as Apple's and the OSX terminal lets me SSH into my desktop when I need to do work.

yes yes yes about the track pad, sweet jesus did they do that right, even build quality is superb. I've also never enjoyed a laptop keyboard as much as I have Mac's even their wired keyboard felt great, I prefer mechanical now but Mac keyboards are always nice to use. 

[mikat]

2 hours ago, mbryant said:

in reference to what? Mac's accept standard RAM, HDD's, SSD's

only the imac and mac mini

mac pro only supports standard ram

[Trav_X]

25 minutes ago, mbryant said:

yes yes yes about the track pad, sweet jesus did they do that right, even build quality is superb. I've also never enjoyed a laptop keyboard as much as I have Mac's even their wired keyboard felt great, I prefer mechanical now but Mac keyboards are always nice to use. 

I agree, mechanical is nice for desktop gaming and work, etc. but Mac keyboards are pretty nice to take mobile or for like web browsing

[Trav_X]

3 hours ago, mikat said:

everyone i tell that i have an orange computer goes:

and i tell them:

Exactly  it's nice to switch something up from the standard black or greyscale PC case. I have a big black desk command station thing from IKEA, and the PC goes underneath on like a stand, and it's nice to not have a black desk, black mouse, black everything  and my RGB keyboard does help spice it up. 

[Xerora]

Mac OS is a good Operating system, however the mac computers arent worth more than $300 considering they use 5 year old hardware.

[79wjd]

6 minutes ago, Xerora said:

Mac OS is a good Operating system, however the mac computers arent worth more than $300 considering they use 5 year old hardware.

TIL Haswell, Broadwell, and PCIE SSDs are five years old.

 

The 13" rMBP is priced competitively with its competition albeit it's competition is using Skylake CPUs while Apple is still using Broadwell (but Broadwell Iris Pro > Skylake HD 530), so...trade offs. The 15" rMBP is a bit different (although if it was on Skylake with Skylake Iris Pro it would still be more or less price-competitive, but Haswell and Haswell Iris Pro is disappointing compared to Skylake HD530).

[KWelz]

Skylake and PCIE SSDs are 5 years old?  News to me. 

[KWelz]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

TIL Haswell, Broadwell, and PCIE SSDs are five years old. 

You forgot Skylake for the iMacs.  And damn you for beating me. 

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, KWelz said:

You forgot Skylake for the iMacs.  And damn you for beating me. 

Didn't know iMacs were updated. 

 

What the fuck Apple....The 15" rMBP hasn't been upgraded since October 2013. I don't care about the added CPU power since it won't make that much of a difference in the end, but Skylake Iris Pro wipes the floor with Haswell Iris Pro. 

[KWelz]

Yes they were.,   They were updated middle of last year. May or june if I Remember correctly.

 

 

[Xerora]

4 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

TIL Haswell, Broadwell, and PCIE SSDs are five years old.

 

The 13" rMBP is priced competitively with its competition albeit it's competition is using Skylake CPUs while Apple is still using Broadwell (but Broadwell Iris Pro > Skylake HD 530), so...trade offs. The 15" rMBP is a bit different (although if it was on Skylake with Skylake Iris Pro it would still be more or less price-competitive, but Haswell and Haswell Iris Pro is disappointing compared to Skylake HD530).

@djdwosk97 working haswell chips were unveiled in 2011 and later released to public in 2013, following a refresh in 2014. Mathematic wise; 2016 - 2011 = 5. so 5 year old hardware, mate.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Xerora said:

@djdwosk97 working haswell chips were unveiled in 2011 and later released to public in 2013, following a refresh in 2014. Mathematic wise; 2016 - 2011 = 5. so 5 year old hardware, mate.

Are you high? 

 

No, but seriously, are you high? Can I get some of what you're on? 

[Xerora]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Are you high? 

Sadly, not right now.

[KWelz]

Just now, Xerora said:

@djdwosk97 working haswell chips were unveiled in 2011 and later released to public in 2013, following a refresh in 2014. Mathematic wise; 2016 - 2011 = 5. so 5 year old hardware, mate.

That is the most backwards and ignorant argument I have seen.  

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, KWelz said:

Yes they were.,   They were updated middle of last year. May or june if I Remember correctly.

 

 

They had a RAM and SSD capacity bump, but other than that they're identical (unless I'm mistaken, am I?)

[KWelz]

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-15-dual-graphics-mid-2015-retina-display-specs.html

[OrionG]

yes they are 1200 bucks for a duel core and integrated graphics