4170 or 6100?

[GeraldTing]

I stuck between thinking of buying the i3 4170 or the i3 6100. 

Help please.TY

[79wjd]

The price difference between the two for the total system is probably about $50~, you'd be better off going with a Haswell i5 for the same price as the 6100 based system. 

[GodSpoon]

The 6100 can be overclocked ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[don_svetlio]

i5 4460

[don_svetlio]

2nd hand i5 3330

[Kherm]

i5 4440

[Jumper118]

i3 6100 should be much faster than the 4460

[minibois]

Depends on what you are gonna do.

Gaming? I would personally go i3. Rendering? FX 6300.

[ZetZet]

i3 6100 is quite a bit better.

[79wjd]

i3 6100 should be much faster than the 4460

In anything that can't use more than two cores, yes, but so would a 4170. 

[RuLeZ]

The i3 6100 is faster, the i3 4170 is cheaper, I would go for i3 6100 for future upgrades.

[Tesel]

i3-6100. With i3s and CPUs like that, memory speed matters a lot. So get an i3-6100 with some fast DDR4.

[Tesel]

2nd hand i5 3330

 

i5 4440

Why didn't you read when he asked for strictly between those two? Really...

[Jumper118]

In anything that can't use more than two cores, yes, but so would a 4170. 

nope the 6100 can be striaght up faster in both single and multithreaded apps once overclocked. 

[DarkBlade2117]

i3-6100 and get a minimum 2400mhz DDR4 Ram, Digital Foundry has proven it can be sometimes 5-10FPS Plus with the RAM Speed. also get a MSI Z170 PC MATE to overclock using BCLK

[MageTank]

Okay, ill make it simple. 

 

Cheapest Haswell 4170 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($116.98 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-HD2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Micro Center) 

Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($28.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $185.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 10:57 EST-0500

 

Cheapest Skylake 6100 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($115.99 @ Directron) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.98 @ B&H) 

Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $201.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 10:58 EST-0500

 

Best Price:Performance 6100 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($115.99 @ Directron) 

Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $265.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 11:00 EST-0500

 

Faster memory will increase your FPS by a large percentage in situations with high CPU overhead. Using an i3, you will run into those situations a lot. Z series Asrock and MSI boards support overclocking, allowing you to get anywhere between 4-4.5ghz out of them on the stock cooler. These two facts make the i3 6100 faster than even a Haswell i5 4460. Good luck on your choice.

[Suika]

nope the 6100 can be striaght up faster in both single and multithreaded apps once overclocked.

Once overclocked.

Do you know how much more money it would cost to overclock the i3-6100? You would need a Z170 board, which is expensive at the moment, and a good cooler, considering BCLK overclocking isn't as efficient. You'd spend a lot more money for a *little* more performance over an i5-4460.

[Jumper118]

Once overclocked.

Do you know how much more money it would cost to overclock the i3-6100? You would need a Z170 board, which is expensive at the moment, and a good cooler, considering BCLK overclocking isn't as efficient. You'd spend a lot more money for a *little* more performance over an i5-4460.

and you have a better newer platform and upgrade path. bclk overclcoking is the best way of overclocking and always will be. noob.

[Lays]

Once overclocked.

Do you know how much more money it would cost to overclock the i3-6100? You would need a Z170 board, which is expensive at the moment, and a good cooler, considering BCLK overclocking isn't as efficient. You'd spend a lot more money for a *little* more performance over an i5-4460.

 

 

Not that much actually:

 

 

 

 

Okay, ill make it simple. 

 

Cheapest Haswell 4170 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($116.98 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-HD2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Micro Center) 

Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($28.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $185.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 10:57 EST-0500

 

Cheapest Skylake 6100 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($115.99 @ Directron) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.98 @ B&H) 

Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($34.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $201.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 10:58 EST-0500

 

Best Price:Performance 6100 build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($115.99 @ Directron) 

Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $265.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-15 11:00 EST-0500

 

Faster memory will increase your FPS by a large percentage in situations with high CPU overhead. Using an i3, you will run into those situations a lot. Z series Asrock and MSI boards support overclocking, allowing you to get anywhere between 4-4.5ghz out of them on the stock cooler. These two facts make the i3 6100 faster than even a Haswell i5 4460. Good luck on your choice.

 

[MageTank]

Once overclocked.

Do you know how much more money it would cost to overclock the i3-6100? You would need a Z170 board, which is expensive at the moment, and a good cooler, considering BCLK overclocking isn't as efficient. You'd spend a lot more money for a *little* more performance over an i5-4460.

You don't need a new cooler. I hit 4.75ghz on my Pentium G4400 with stock cooler. I also hit 4.3ghz on my Core i5 6600T, again, stock cooler. Overclocking with BCLK on Z170 disables AVX instruction sets. Meaning no heat problems from Prime95 or LinX. Also, i already showed the price up top. $50 price difference (25% more in price) for on average, 40% more FPS. Price:Performance standpoint, it is a worthy investment.

[Lays]

You don't need a new cooler. I hit 4.75ghz on my Pentium G4400 with stock cooler. I also hit 4.3ghz on my Core i5 6600T, again, stock cooler. Overclocking with BCLK on Z170 disables AVX instruction sets. Meaning no heat problems from Prime95 or LinX. Also, i already showed the price up top. $50 price difference (25% more in price) for on average, 40% more FPS. Price:Performance standpoint, it is a worthy investment.

 

 

 

 

 

I feel like this is the point where he talks about silicon lottery and that CPU clocks won't help that much, even though there are plenty of benchmarks on digital foundry to back up that stuff

[Suika]

Not that much actually:

So are you confirming for me that an i5-4460 build will be cheaper for similar/only slightly less performance? If not then I don't get what you're trying to argue.

For a budget gaming build, the $50 saved from not overclocking an i3-6100 would be better spent on a GPU than a marginally improved CPU.

[CarterDavison]

and you have a better newer platform and upgrade path. bclk overclcoking is the best way of overclocking and always will be. noob.

[Jumper118]

So are you confirming for me that an i5-4460 build will be cheaper for similar/only slightly less performance? If not then I don't get what you're trying to argue.

For a budget gaming build, the $50 saved from not overclocking an i3-6100 would be better spent on a GPU than a marginally improved CPU.

not for future upgrades, you arent going to be running a locked i5 in your h81 with your 20gb hbm gpu, but because you got a z170 board with dat 6100 you can just jump to a cannon dale i7 7700K and carry on gaming B)  

[Suika]

Also, i already showed the price up top. $50 price difference (25% more in price) for on average, 40% more FPS. Price:Performance standpoint, it is a worthy investment.

Where is that 40% number coming from? That sounds completely exagerated unless you're benchmarking with a Titan X or two. 2-5% sounds reasonable, but not 40%, unless you're comparing a heavily CPU dependent, single threaded game, in which case, why not recommend a Pentium?