AMD Launches FX 6330 Processor - But why?

[Sakkura]

This is starting to get old AMD.  I know why they did the 9xxx series, and why they did the FX series.  The first was to cash in on OCing due to the 8320 holding a world record with the second cashing in on gimped Opterons.  The "E" versions were more energy efficient, but wtf?!  How do they have the money for all this engineering?!

 

All this engineering? WTF, this is literally tweaking a setting. Just set the stock clocks on the same silicon to clocks in between the 6300 and the 6350. It's a tiny release requiring a tiny amount of work, and deserving a tiny amount of attention.

[Sakkura]

Jeez guys, what's all the hate about? Can't they make some tuning to their current offering while they work on zen? It's not like this is delaying it any further... and complaining about using piledriver at this point is just silly, what did you expect when their next architecture hasn't even been presented yet?

 

They have not only presented but actually launched two architectures after Piledriver: Steamroller and Excavator.

[escape093]

I seriously hope AMD will be using that box design for Zen.

[AlTech]

This is starting to get old AMD.  I know why they did the 9xxx series, and why they did the FX series.  The first was to cash in on OCing due to the 8320 holding a world record with the second cashing in on gimped Opterons.  The "E" versions were more energy efficient, but wtf?!  How do they have the money for all this engineering?!

Same silicon except OCing them to that on the spot?

 

IDK. I agree it's stupid. It's like covering a wall with blue tac and throwing hundreds of thousands of processors and hoping some with not land on the floor. The one on the floor become the cheaper models (e.g FX-4300s) and the ones on the blu tac in this analogy would be FX-6330s. 85-90% would hit the wall and fall to the floor. And 10-15% would land and stick to the blu tac.

[Sauron]

They have not only presented but actually launched two architectures after Piledriver: Steamroller and Excavator.

 

both of which are just updates on piledriver - which is little more than an update on bulldozer. Why use them when the performance and power consumption gains will be minimal at best and can be achieved with a small clock speed boost and slightly better binning?

[Sakkura]

both of which are just updates on piledriver - which is little more than an update on bulldozer. Why use them when the performance and power consumption gains will be minimal at best and can be achieved with a small clock speed boost and slightly better binning?

 

Just like Skylake and Haswell are just updates on Sandy Bridge. Still new architectures.

 

The performance gains wouldn't be minimal if they'd implemented them on 32nm. They just decided not to.

[Sauron]

Just like Skylake and Haswell are just updates on Sandy Bridge. Still new architectures.

 

The performance gains wouldn't be minimal if they'd implemented them on 32nm. They just decided not to.

 

skylake and haswell use lower nodes than sandy and support newer technology. Hardly the same thing.

[DigitalHermit]

Why did I not get an AM3+ board instead... I'm stuck on FM2...

oh well... *continues saving up for a better PC*

[Penny5837]

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Um... what the hell amd, who decided this and why are you still using this old architecture :huh:

In CPU Z my FX-6350 has 3 cores 6 threads.... 6 cores is new...

[Sakkura]

skylake and haswell use lower nodes than sandy and support newer technology. Hardly the same thing.

 

The smaller nodes are irrelevant here, and steamroller and excavator support newer technology than piledriver too.

[Sakkura]

I'm referring to what they've been doing since 2013.  2013=modding/factory ocing the 8320 and 8350 to create the 9xxx chips, 2014 was the year of all the E versions, and now this.

 

A "factory OC" requires very little work. The E thing, well, maybe they tweaked some power saving technology but it still shouldn't be a whole lot of work. It was a bit pointless though, they're hardly going to catch up with Intel that way.

[Maslofski]

lol just bought a 6300

[patrickjp93]

they probably calculate the tdp differently with amd going with the max tdp while intel is going with the most common use case scenario tdp. i had a fx6300 and now i have an i7 4770 and even though the 4770 says it has lower tdp it gets 30 degrees celcius hotter with the same 212 evo cooler

To be fair that's a soldered chip vs. one with thermal paste under the IHS.

[420istoday]

What's wrong with a budget 6-core @4.2Jigahertz for $110USD?  Must be nice to be chinese and have the freedom to choose from more available options in your market.

The benches look okay, and it comes with a cooler that is worth a damn.  Looks pretty solid to me.

That's OC, it's stock 3.6Ghz, only 100Mhz faster than the 6300.

[Enderman]

they probably calculate the tdp differently with amd going with the max tdp while intel is going with the most common use case scenario tdp. i had a fx6300 and now i have an i7 4770 and even though the 4770 says it has lower tdp it gets 30 degrees celcius hotter with the same 212 evo cooler

no, TDP is not linearly related to the temperature actually.

this is why a 9590 with over 200W of tdp needs to stay below 70C but a pentium can go up to 95C

 

the way the chips are designed is completely different, and if you measure the power consumption to be the same of an intel and AMD CPU, the amd CPU will be running at a lower temperature

 

you can google "why intel CPUs run at higher temperatures" but there isnt a perfect explanation, they just do, and they have a higher max temperature to make up for it

[CTR640]

[PlayStation 2]

can we just get an fx-6300e

[ShiftHitTheFan]

china is a budget market, the 6300 is a pretty good budget cpu, makes sense try and make some money

Roommate is from china, can confirm. Intel is just too expensive over there. Most people have and fx's. It's due to the import tax.

[Demonking]

Roommate is from china, can confirm. Intel is just too expensive over there. Most people have and fx's. It's due to the import tax.

if that true then i feel bad for them since they mainly play MMOs & those games usually like CPU with fast IPC.

[Agent181]

 

lmfao

[Sakkura]

To be fair that's a soldered chip vs. one with thermal paste under the IHS.

 

Plus the wattage is concentrated into a smaller die.

[The_Stig]

Whats all the commotion about comparing this to a 2600? I own a 2600, I can answer some questions

[LokiFire]

That is me on that bench!!! OMG look how decrepit i have become, someone help me!

[Philz69]

no, TDP is not linearly related to the temperature actually.

this is why a 9590 with over 200W of tdp needs to stay below 70C but a pentium can go up to 95C

the way the chips are designed is completely different, and if you measure the power consumption to be the same of an intel and AMD CPU, the amd CPU will be running at a lower temperature

you can google "why intel CPUs run at higher temperatures" but there isnt a perfect explanation, they just do, and they have a higher max temperature to make up for it

There is a reason, AMD chips dont have temp sensors on the chip and the temp are only approximations!

[LukaP]

no, TDP is not linearly related to the temperature actually.

this is why a 9590 with over 200W of tdp needs to stay below 70C but a pentium can go up to 95C

 

the way the chips are designed is completely different, and if you measure the power consumption to be the same of an intel and AMD CPU, the amd CPU will be running at a lower temperature

 

you can google "why intel CPUs run at higher temperatures" but there isnt a perfect explanation, they just do, and they have a higher max temperature to make up for it

Everyone actually knows why the AMD chips "run cooler". They measure the temp at the junction (pins), not inside the cores, and then send that number into some equation. the actual temps of the silicon are very similar between intel and AMD, no matter the process.