R9 390 vs. 390x?

[Hydrogen1803]

I'd like to know the difference in fps between the R9 390 and the R9 390X on the Witcher 3 at max settings at 1080p and 1440p. All help is appreciated, thank you. 

My build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jVg2yc

[don_svetlio]

About 10%

the difference between the 970 and 980 is 20%
390 is 5% faster than a 970
390X is 5% slower than a 980

Theoretically it should be 10% faster

[thekeemo]

About 10%

the difference between the 970 and 980 is 20%

390 is 5% faster than a 970

390X is 5% slower than a 980

Theoretically it should be 10% faster

im going to go with +/- 5% the perf of a 980 so 10-20%

[don_svetlio]

im going to go with +/- 5% the perf of a 980 so 10-20%

Yeah - I assumed he meant 1080p - at 1440p the 390X is equal to the 980 and at 4K it beats it

[thekeemo]

Yeah - I assumed he meant 1080p - at 1440p the 390X is equal to the 980 and at 4K it beats it

 

 

 at 1080p and 1440p

so yea..

[Morgan MLGman]

290X should be faster than a 390 and you might get it for the same price, but you need to check it.

[Curufinwe_wins]

It's literally 3-4 FPS difference in every game regardless of resolution (actually at 4k its closer to 2-3 FPS).

 

Neither card will do 60 fps max settings 1080p, and neither would hit 30 fps max settings 1440p but with Hairworks off you should be ok for 1080p but not 1440p.

 

Also using DoF at ultra is really bad... huge waste of fps.

 

Here you go, Witcher 3 is first game. (Note these are not max settings... at all)

1080p

 

1440p

 

If you are more of a reader person (hats off to you then) here is the full review:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-amd-radeon-r9-390-8gb-review

 

 

They compare to a reference 970/980 (which is wrong, but the wins/losses should remains fairly valid)

[App4that]

 

Both test use reference cards, a good model of any of them will max settings in 1080p.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Both test use reference cards, a good model of any of them will max settings in 1080p.

There is no reference 390 or 390x for the 10000x time.

 

SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT PEOPLE.

 

None of them will max 1080p witcher 3. Hell they don't even reach 60 FPS without hairworks (neither the 390 or 390x) or full AA. 

[App4that]

There is no reference 390 or 390x for the 10000x time.

 

SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT PEOPLE.

 

None of them will max 1080p witcher 3. Hell they don't even reach 60 FPS without hairworks (neither the 390 or 390x) or full AA. 

Really?

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105039&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814105039&gclid=CObwpIrXz8gCFYqBfgod0X0DQg&gclsrc=aw.ds

[Curufinwe_wins]

Really?

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105039&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814105039&gclid=CObwpIrXz8gCFYqBfgod0X0DQg&gclsrc=aw.ds

Yes really. Note how there are no reviews and of the 4 questions only one of them is addressed and it's by NEWEGG staff. Not a legit posting.

 

Also if you read the posted review they clearly state the version used was the ASUS 390 Strix.

 

 

 

 For our R9 390 8GB review, we're assessing the new Asus DirectCU 3 model - the top-end cooler the company produces, based on top-of-the-line components and boasting beautiful build quality.

See link above for full quote.

[App4that]

Yes really. Note how there are no reviews and of the 4 questions only one of them is addressed and it's by NEWEGG staff. Not a legit posting.

 

Also if you read the posted review they clearly state the version used was the ASUS 390 Strix.

 

See link above for full quote.

So New Egg put a fake add, on their site?

 

The post made by the Staff member.

 

"Hello, Thank you for contacting us in regards to your question. The best way to confirm specs is actually by checking the manufacturer's website (that's where we get them). Click on the Specifications tab on the item page, and look in the Quick Info box on the bottom of the page. You'll find a link to the item on the manufacturer's own site with the most up-to-date details. Thank you, Newegg Support Aug 03,2015"

 

Also, the recommended system spec LIST the R9 290, specifically.

[Curufinwe_wins]

So New Egg put a fact add, on their site?

 

The post made by the Staff member.

 

"Hello, Thank you for contacting us in regards to your question. The best way to confirm specs is actually by checking the manufacturer's website (that's where we get them). Click on the Specifications tab on the item page, and look in the Quick Info box on the bottom of the page. You'll find a link to the item on the manufacturer's own site with the most up-to-date details. Thank you, Newegg Support Aug 03,2015"

Or someone else did. Look at all the pages (especially the answers and specs page), its a clusterfuck. No information on the PSU included. No confirmation if that is the actual model (which is an unanswered question from over two months ago btw).

 

I think that was a place holder pre-launch of something that just wasn't removed, because clearly no one has bought it. And clearly it's missing 100% of all the relevant information.

 

Compare the spec lists of that and this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127874&cm_re=390-_-14-127-874-_-Product 

 

Or all other 390s. NO graphics card has that utter lack of a spec list, and the manufactures link is literally just to the generic AMD website. There is nothing on the AMD website about a 390 reference anywhere. I have looked. They don't even have a render for one.

[App4that]

Or someone else did. Look at all the pages (especially the answers and specs page), its a clusterfuck. No information on the PSU included. No confirmation if that is the actual model (which is an unanswered question from over two months ago btw).

 

I think that was a place holder pre-launch of something that just wasn't removed, because clearly no one has bought it. And clearly it's missing 100% of all the relevant information.

That aside, Witcher 3's recommended system requirements LIST the R9 290. So if you can't run it at 60fps you're doing it wrong.

 

And to answer the topic,

 

STREAM PROCESSING UNITS 2816 (390x)

(44 Compute Units)¹⁹ 2560(390)

(40 Compute Units)¹⁹ 1792(380)

(28 Compute Units)¹⁹

 

That's it.

[Curufinwe_wins]

That aside, Witcher 3's recommended system requirements LIST the R9 290. So if you can't run it at 60fps you're doing it wrong.

 

 

Did you read the comment. I said at max. You said at max. The video I posted shows a 390 doing ultra minus hair-works and a custom AA (which is less than the ultra preset) and it STILL CANT REACH 60 FPS.

 

 

 

Neither card will do 60 fps max settings 1080p, and neither would hit 30 fps max settings 1440p but with Hairworks off you should be ok for 1080p but not 1440p.

 

I know you could easily fix that. (literally just putting DoF from ultra to high would do it) but that isn't the point. The point is it CAN'T RUN THE GAME EVEN AT ULTRA 60 FPS 1080p.

 

From the article:

1920x1080 (1080p) R9 390 R9 390X GTX 970 GTX 980 R9 290 R9 290X The Witcher 3, Ultra, HairWorks Off, Custom AA

                                      53.8        57.4          56.0       65.8       47.4        50.5

 

 

Hey look at this: (pure ultra minus hairworks) 390-49.6 FPS

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/R9_390_PCS_Plus/23.html

(BTW for this site the first review they did was of a 1000 Mhz custom 390 and they called that their "reference" 390)

[App4that]

Did you read the comment. I said at max. You said at max. The video I posted shows a 390 doing ultra minus hair-works and a custom AA (which is less than the ultra preset) and it STILL CANT REACH 60 FPS.

 

I know you could easily fix that. (literally just putting DoF from ultra to high would do it) but that isn't the point. The point is it CAN'T RUN THE GAME EVEN AT ULTRA 60 FPS 1080p.

 

From the article:

1920x1080 (1080p) R9 390 R9 390X GTX 970 GTX 980 R9 290 R9 290X The Witcher 3, Ultra, HairWorks Off, Custom AA

                                      53.8        57.4          56.0       65.8       47.4        50.5

Sure it can. One way would be to have the latest drivers installed, not ones from June.

 

But we've gone a bit off topic. Right from AMD's site the only difference is the number of stream processing units.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Sure it can. One way would be to have the latest drivers installed, not ones from June.

OMG man, seriously you need to stop. The second review I posted was from July. It got 49.6 FPS with HAIRWORKS OFF.

 

IT wont come anywhere CLOSE to 60 FPS even with only Geralt Hairworks and that is part of the Ultra Preset (which almost everyone disabled because it's a rediculous strain).

 

A 390 won't even reach 60 FPS on Ultra-Ultra (because Post Processing is done through a separate preset.)

 

Hell Jay did his review of the 390 and he couldn't even hit 60 FPS average with Ultra-High (no hairworks) AFTER OVERCLOCKING. (The relevant time stamp is 8:35)

 

I'm not saying the 390 is a bad card. I'm not saying you can't do it with more moderate settings, but IT WILL NOT DO 1080p 60 FPS MAX or even NEAR MAX settings. IT JUST WONT. Which was EXPLICITLY what OP was asking about.

 

Example how much a difference High-High makes to Ultra-Ultra (DoF down to ultra is literally a 10 FPS change by itself) even without hairworks, this review from September managed 69 FPS with a 390 doing High-High. Obviously that isn't ultra and they explain the ultra preset takes a lot out of the game fps wise with little graphical difference so they test on High-High.

 

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2015/09/04/asus-radeon-r9-390-strix-oc-review/8

[App4that]

OMG man, seriously you need to stop.

 

 

Well actually, no I don't. Drivers have made a difference for the 390, and even then to hopefully un twist you IF you're getting the numbers listed you won't know it without a fps counter. We'd all love to have 980ti's, until then we have other options. Which, and this may come as a shock, won't explode in a fiery ball of death if asked to play the games listed at ultra settings. 

 

And the difference between the two cards is less than that of the difference between the 380 and 390.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Well actually, no I don't. Drivers have made a difference for the 390, and even then to hopefully un twist you IF you're getting the numbers listed you won't know it without a fps counter. We'd all love to have 980ti's, until then we have other options. Which, and this may come as a shock, won't explode in a fiery ball of death if asked to play the games listed at ultra settings. 

 

And the difference between the two cards is less than that of the difference between the 380 and 390.

OMG HOW MANY TIMES IN A ROW DO YOU HAVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG TO GIVE UP?

 

Every single piece of data anyone has collected for review ANYWHERE (at any point in time) says it won't do 60 FPS at ultra-ultra. Yes drivers have improved. They took it from launch where the 290 couldn't pull 30 fps on ultra to pulling 40-45 FPS ultra-ultra (hairworks off). YAY.

 

This has NOTHING TO DO with the card being good or bad. The game is just too demanding (and/or poorly optimized) at those settings. I would never recommend those settings. Get off your fanboy (and buyer's falacy) horse and come back to reality.

 

A Fury JUST manages to pull 60-65 FPS Ultra settings no hairworks.

 

And the 980 Ti/Titan X (and maybe the Fury X, but Witcher 3 isn't a great amd title, SHOCKER) are the only single GPU's that are capable of running Witcher 3 with full ultra & Hairworks at 60 FPS even on 1080p. AND THEY BARELY MANAGE. With just Geralt in view you get about 70-75 FPS, with 2-3 Hairworks objects you get 60-65 FPS and with anything more than that you fall below 60.

 

NOW you can still play ultra settings on a 390. It won't kill you, many people probably won't even notice any issues. But YOU WILL NOT GET 60 FPS.

[App4that]

-snip-

This is one of those cases I really don't know if you're kidding. I showed you a Newegg ad for a 390 reference card, Newegg is the seller, a staff member responded to the question in the questions section saying they got it from AMD. You say it's fake, but seem driven to prove that no AMD card can average 60fps in Witcher 3 at ultra setting.

 

Good show, I am thoroughly confused as to your intentions. Be it humor, you got a chuckle out of me so lets please move on. If you're serious, offer others the same consideration you seek.

[Hydrogen1803]

OMG HOW MANY TIMES IN A ROW DO YOU HAVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG TO GIVE UP?

 

Every single piece of data anyone has collected for review ANYWHERE (at any point in time) says it won't do 60 FPS at ultra-ultra. Yes drivers have improved. They took it from launch where the 290 couldn't pull 30 fps on ultra to pulling 40-45 FPS ultra-ultra (hairworks off). YAY.

 

This has NOTHING TO DO with the card being good or bad. The game is just too demanding (and/or poorly optimized) at those settings. I would never recommend those settings. Get off your fanboy (and buyer's falacy) horse and come back to reality.

 

A Fury JUST manages to pull 60-65 FPS Ultra settings no hairworks.

 

And the 980 Ti/Titan X (and maybe the Fury X, but Witcher 3 isn't a great amd title, SHOCKER) are the only single GPU's that are capable of running Witcher 3 with full ultra & Hairworks at 60 FPS even on 1080p. AND THEY BARELY MANAGE. With just Geralt in view you get about 70-75 FPS, with 2-3 Hairworks objects you get 60-65 FPS and with anything more than that you fall below 60.

 

NOW you can still play ultra settings on a 390. It won't kill you, many people probably won't even notice any issues. But YOU WILL NOT GET 60 FPS.

 

This is one of those cases I really don't know if you're kidding. I showed you a Newegg ad for a 390 reference card, Newegg is the seller, a staff member responded to the question in the questions section saying they got it from AMD. You say it's fake, but seem driven to prove that no AMD card can average 60fps in Witcher 3 at ultra setting.

 

Good show, I am thoroughly confused as to your intentions. Be it humor, you got a chuckle out of me so lets please move on. If you're serious, offer others the same consideration you seek.

What have I started? 

[Curufinwe_wins]

This is one of those cases I really don't know if you're kidding. I showed you a Newegg ad for a 390 reference card, Newegg is the seller, a staff member responded to the question in the questions section saying they got it from AMD. You say it's fake, but seem driven to prove that no AMD card can average 60fps in Witcher 3 at ultra setting.

 

Good show, I am thoroughly confused as to your intentions. Be it humor, you got a chuckle out of me so lets please move on. If you're serious, offer others the same consideration you seek.

Seriously wtf. AMD has nothing on their website about reference models. No one has ever done a review of a reference model 390. The newegg link you showed has been up at least since the beginning of august and yet has no buyers, reviews, or actually answered questions. The newegg answer literally only said look it up, yet the link provided is only to the overall AMD website. It doesn't follow the same format as literally any newegg GPU post anywhere else in their entire system and AFTER all of this you use it as the only tentative evidence of a 390 reference model existing.

 

They don't even say they got it from AMD. This is literally the only answer they have on the post and it NEVER references the product at all.

 

 

Hello, Thank you for contacting us in regards to your question. The best way to confirm specs is actually by checking the manufacturer's website (that's where we get them). Click on the Specifications tab on the item page, and look in the Quick Info box on the bottom of the page. You'll find a link to the item on the manufacturer's own site with the most up-to-date details. Thank you, Newegg Support Aug 03,2015

All of the "different" links supposedly given just link to amd.com/en-us not to any product BECAUSE THE PRODUCT DOESN'T EXIST.

 

 

WTF?

 

READ THIS QUOTE FROM THE "OFFICIAL" LISTING

 

 

Get unrivalled graphics from a PC based on Radeon R9 GPU.

The AMD Radeon R9 390 video card gives you everything you need to enjoy the latest games today and tomorrow. Based on the highly acclaimed AMD GCN architecture, it comes with AMD-pioneered High-Bandwidth Memory (HBM) on-chip, and is battle-ready with the support for next-gen APIs (DirectX 12, Vulkan, OpenGL 4.5, Mantle). It enables you to take advantage of 1440p and up to 4K Ultra HD high resolution displays to play the most demanding games at maximum detail better than any card in its class. You can experience the smoothest gameplay without frame-tearing or stuttering with an AMD Eyefinity 3x1, by using 1440p FreeSync-enabled monitors for a massive 6K gameplay “surround view” panorama. Additionally, it’s loaded with PowerTune and ZeroCore Power for power efficiency. A 700-watt power supply is included.

 

Oh yea... Clearly legit....

 

Again this is the "product" in question... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105039&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814105039&gclid=CObwpIrXz8gCFYqBfgod0X0DQg&gclsrc=aw.ds

[App4that]

What have I started? 

I have no Idea LOL, I honestly don't.

 

Seriously wtf. AMD has nothing on their website about reference models. No one has ever done a review of a reference model 390. The newegg link you showed has been up at least since the beginning of august and yet has no buyers, reviews, or actually answered questions. The newegg answer literally only said look it up, yet the link provided is only to the overall AMD website. It doesn't follow the same format as literally any newegg GPU post anywhere else in their entire system and AFTER all of this you use it as the only tentative evidence of a 390 reference model existing.

 

WTF?

 

READ THIS QUOTE FROM THE "OFFICIAL" LISTING

 

 

Oh yea... Clearly legit....

 

Again this is the "product" in question... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105039&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Desktop+Graphics+Cards-_-N82E16814105039&gclid=CObwpIrXz8gCFYqBfgod0X0DQg&gclsrc=aw.ds

I'm going to make this easy. You're right. No 390/390x will hit 60fps while playing Witcher 3 with all the ultra bells and whistles enabled.

 

It'll hit 59

[Necrodead]

AMD made some reference 390's to test; probably, but they don't sell them. If they did I would buy them as they will fit a 290 waterblock because of the same design. If anyone can actually find them, let me know and I'll take 2. Strange ad on newegg, but maybe it was made when they assumed a 390 reference would be released. Why it has a price and "700W power supply" in the title, I haven't the foggiest.

[Curufinwe_wins]

AMD made some reference 390's to test; probably, but they don't sell them. If they did I would buy them as they will fit a 290 waterblock because of the same design. If anyone can actually find them, let me know and I'll take 2. Strange ad on newegg, but maybe it was made when they assumed a 390 reference would be released. Why it has a price and "700W power supply" in the title, I haven't the foggiest.

It also assumes that the 390 is an HBM card. Like I said, it looks like it was a placeholder that was never removed from before the 300 series announcement launch. I have no idea why the fuck it continues to exist. BTW the 300 series announcement uses those coolers, but then they proceeded to not ever use them again or show them on their website, so I have to assume they decided selling them wasn't a good idea. 

 

I have no Idea LOL, I honestly don't.

 

I'm going to make this easy. You're right. No 390/390x will hit 60fps while playing Witcher 3 with all the ultra bells and whistles enabled.

 

It'll hit 59

It won't even hit 40 with all the bells and whistles, but that's besides the point.

 

But with the reasonable bells and whistles you can expect 50-60 FPS yes.