Well that was depressing...

[Air tree]

Yeah....

[helping]

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[Puppet]

Yeah saw this a while ago, pretty interesting.

 

I remember researching into it when I saw it, the drug they are making isn't actually that harmful, it's meant to be used in medicine quite frequently. It's something to do with the solvent they use to make it, think they use things like petrol as a substitute for ethanol.

 

Edit: Yeah it's desomorphine:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine

 

Just a synthetic derivative of morphine.

[OneGun]

You want me to read a video for 25min... :lol:

[alpenwasser]

Doing an image search for "Krokodil drug" or something similar is an excellent source

for nightmare fuel as I found out a while back. Same goes for "gangrene".

[Puppet]

Doing an image search for "Krokodil drug" or something similar is an excellent source

for nightmare fuel as I found out a while back. Same goes for "gangrene".

Good call. Don't Google image it. :o

[alpenwasser]

Yeah saw this a while ago, pretty interesting.

 

I remember researching into it when I saw it, the drug they are making isn't actually that harmful, it's meant to be used in medicine quite frequently. It's something to do with the solvent they use to make it, think they use things like petrol as a substitute for ethanol.

I remember something like that as well. The stuff that actually does the serious

damage is mostly impurities/toxins from the very improvised and non-clean manufacturing

process if I recall correctly.

 

Good call. Don't Google image it. :o

Yeah, it's definitely not for the faint of heart (or stomach). From time to time my

morbid curiosity does get the better of me, but these two phrases are usually on my

"Avoid" list. And it's a very short list.

[target39]

Good call. Don't Google image it. :o

I googled it, to find more about it without seeing pictures, but Google decided to show pictures on the first page anyway.

[Puppet]

I googled it, to find more about it without seeing pictures, but Google decided to show pictures on the first page anyway.

 

Wanna see a magic trick? Pass me the Krokodil

 

http://i.imgur.com/vjECC.jpg

[alpenwasser]

I googled it, to find more about it without seeing pictures, but Google decided to show pictures on the first page anyway.

Well, that's not very nice.

Wanna see a magic trick?

 

http://i.imgur.com/vjECC.jpg

Yeah I've seen that one as well. I don't think the human body is supposed to do that. :o

[target39]

Wanna see a magic trick? Pass me the Krokodil

 

http://i.imgur.com/vjECC.jpg

lol I clicked it, if it didn't take up the whole screen, I wouldn't have minded.

[target39]

Well, that's not very nice.

Yeah I've seen that one as well. I don't think the human body is supposed to do that. :o

I only saw Puppet's picture for a split second, until my reflexes kicked in and closed the tab. ^_^All I saw was screwed up fingernails. Did I miss anything?  :D

[alpenwasser]

I only saw Puppet's picture for a split second, until my reflexes kicked in and closed the tab. ^_^

That's a good reflex.

 

All I saw was screwed up fingernails. Did I miss anything?  :D

Detachable finger tips.

[Puppet]

Yeah I've seen that one as well. I don't think the human body is supposed to do that. :o

 

Yeah I can't quite put my finger on it, but something isn't right with his hand. :D

 

Sorry for the jokes, but I have to look at the bright side if I'm ever going to get to sleep. Actually feel really bad for these people, it is like they are zombies, but instead of brains they need more krokodil. Nasty stuff :(

[helping]

Wanna see a magic trick? Pass me the Krokodil

 

http://i.imgur.com/vjECC.jpg

this seems rather unhealthy

[alpenwasser]

Yeah I can't quite put my finger on it, but something isn't right with his hand. :D

 

Sorry for the jokes, but I have to look at the bright side if I'm ever going to get to sleep. Actually feel really bad for these people, it is like they are zombies, but instead of brains they need more krokodil. Nasty stuff :(

Humour is a coping mechanism, and quite a powerful one at that. That doesn't make it

funny of course, but it's something to keep in mind.

But yes, this really is rather horrifying stuff, especially once you move on from

the images to really considering the human side of it.

[Judahnator]

i weep for our future

 

"The solution to the worlds problems is education. However, education will remove the bliss that is ignorance. This makes anyone who wishes to educate the masses on the worlds problems, a terrorist." --Anonymous

[Puppet]

Humour is a coping mechanism, and quite a powerful one at that. That doesn't make it

funny of course, but it's something to keep in mind.

But yes, this really is rather horrifying stuff, especially once you move on from

the images to really considering the human side of it.

 

Yeah it's a difficult one, hard to make a problem like that go away.

 

They can't really prevent people from getting the materials to make it, it's like with heroin, ending up having to supply addicts with clean needles etc. It may just end up having to educate and supply these people with what it takes to make this properly or substitute with some other opiate.

 

Hopefully these side effects are just too much for people and it will just gradually fade away.

[eoso]

Most krokodil addicts have a life expectancy of a year, so if the rate of new addicts fall, krokodil should fade from existence.

[eshbop]

This is pretty tragic but in my mind there is only really one way to curb this problem. It's probably a bit controversial, but whatever.

 

If we have people willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc, (which are much more confronting and in-your-face negative effects than the negatives effects of (probably) most other illegal drugs) you'd imagine that other illegal drugs that don't have such glaringly obvious and confronting negative effects as krokodil will continued to be used despite the threat of the criminal action. Fear of punishment obviously takes a back seat if a person is willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc in order to get their hit.

 

Therefore, considering the a drug users mindset, that are willing to put themselves in harms way, instead of treating drug use as a criminal issue I think it should be looked at as a health and education issue. People that become addicted need help to break the addiction, but instead are marginalised and labelled as criminals meaning getting help is made that much harder.

 

A lot of the harm that arises from krokodil (and other illegal drugs) is because they contains harmful impurities, are of unknown dosages or aren't actually the drug the user paid for, all of which are a consequence of their illegality. Drug use is made more harmful because it is illegal. If it was understood that some people want to and are going to take drugs, no matter the deterrents, and resources were then shifted from the impossible task of stopping the illegal black market drug trade towards making drugs legally available and helping users that are suffering with an addition or habit it would go a long way towards drug harm minimization.

 

Illicit drugs are bought from illegal dealers and so there's no way to tell dosages, if what you bought is truly what the dealer claimed, if it hasn't been adulterated, or doesn't contain harmful impurities, etc. Regulating drugs ensures the distribution of known dosages and purities, users can be made to fully understands the risks, regulates the quantity an individual can purchase, takes money out of the hands of criminals making it harder for illegal organizations to function, takes power away from gangs therefore reducing other gang related crimes, means little/no expenditure on drug enforcement and allows drugs to be taxed.

 

 

Probably not a very popular view, but in my mind it makes sense that drug illegality, both directly and indirectly, causes more harm to a much wider group of people than anything that may arise if they were made legal and regulated.

[Volbet]

This is pretty tragic but in my mind there is only really one way to curb this problem. It's probably a bit controversial, but whatever.

 

If we have people willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc, (which are much more confronting and in-your-face negative effects than the negatives effects of (probably) most other illegal drugs) you'd imagine that other illegal drugs that don't have such glaringly obvious and confronting negative effects as krokodil will continued to be used despite the threat of the criminal action. Fear of punishment obviously takes a back seat if a person is willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc in order to get their hit.

 

Therefore, considering the a drug users mindset, that are willing to put themselves in harms way, instead of treating drug use as a criminal issue I think it should be looked at as a health and education issue. People that become addicted need help to break the addiction, but instead are marginalised and labelled as criminals meaning getting help is made that much harder.

 

A lot of the harm that arises from krokodil (and other illegal drugs) is because they contains harmful impurities, are of unknown dosages or aren't actually the drug the user paid for, all of which are a consequence of their illegality. Drug use is made more harmful because it is illegal. If it was understood that some people want to and are going to take drugs, no matter the deterrents, and resources were then shifted from the impossible task of stopping the illegal black market drug trade towards making drugs legally available and helping users that are suffering with an addition or habit it would go a long way towards drug harm minimization.

 

Illicit drugs are bought from illegal dealers and so there's no way to tell dosages, if what you bought is truly what the dealer claimed, if it hasn't been adulterated, or doesn't contain harmful impurities, etc. Regulating drugs ensures the distribution of known dosages and purities, users can be made to fully understands the risks, regulates the quantity an individual can purchase, takes money out of the hands of criminals making it harder for illegal organizations to function, takes power away from gangs therefore reducing other gang related crimes, means little/no expenditure on drug enforcement and allows drugs to be taxed.

 

 

Probably not a very popular view, but in my mind it makes sense that drug illegality, both directly and indirectly, causes more harm to a much wider group of people than anything that may arise if they were made legal and regulated.

I do agree that we should legalize all narcotics, not so much from a health stand point, but more form a moral stand point. I don't think any government should be able to tell a person what they can and what the can't put into their own bodies.

 

As for the part of educating about drug use, I somewhat disagrees. I had a lot of information given to me about drugs and drug use when I attended public school. That didn't stop me from shooting herion into my arm at the age of 15. I did this because I thought I was "cool" and "edgy" but most of all I felt immortal. The harm was never something that I thought of. A legalization would probably stop atleast the "cool" and "edgy". You would just be a loser that had turned over your life to a substance. 

[eoso]

I do agree that we should legalize all narcotics, not so much from a health stand point, but more form a moral stand point. I don't think any government should be able to tell a person what they can and what the can't put into their own bodies.

 

Uh... It's not that simple, y'know. There are plenty of reasons for governmental regulation of highly dangerous substances.

[Volbet]

Uh... It's not that simple, y'know. There are plenty of reasons for governmental regulation of highly dangerous substances.

What reasons are there for a government to tell you what you can and can't put in your own body. Aren't we our own masters?

[qwertywarrior]

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[eoso]

This is pretty tragic but in my mind there is only really one way to curb this problem. It's probably a bit controversial, but whatever.

 

If we have people willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc, (which are much more confronting and in-your-face negative effects than the negatives effects of (probably) most other illegal drugs) you'd imagine that other illegal drugs that don't have such glaringly obvious and confronting negative effects as krokodil will continued to be used despite the threat of the criminal action. Fear of punishment obviously takes a back seat if a person is willing to risk gangrene, tissue damage, HIV, etc in order to get their hit.

 

Therefore, considering the a drug users mindset, that are willing to put themselves in harms way, instead of treating drug use as a criminal issue I think it should be looked at as a health and education issue. People that become addicted need help to break the addiction, but instead are marginalised and labelled as criminals meaning getting help is made that much harder.

 

A lot of the harm that arises from krokodil (and other illegal drugs) is because they contains harmful impurities, are of unknown dosages or aren't actually the drug the user paid for, all of which are a consequence of their illegality. Drug use is made more harmful because it is illegal. If it was understood that some people want to and are going to take drugs, no matter the deterrents, and resources were then shifted from the impossible task of stopping the illegal black market drug trade towards making drugs legally available and helping users that are suffering with an addition or habit it would go a long way towards drug harm minimization.

 

Illicit drugs are bought from illegal dealers and so there's no way to tell dosages, if what you bought is truly what the dealer claimed, if it hasn't been adulterated, or doesn't contain harmful impurities, etc. Regulating drugs ensures the distribution of known dosages and purities, users can be made to fully understands the risks, regulates the quantity an individual can purchase, takes money out of the hands of criminals making it harder for illegal organizations to function, takes power away from gangs therefore reducing other gang related crimes, means little/no expenditure on drug enforcement and allows drugs to be taxed.

 

 

Probably not a very popular view, but in my mind it makes sense that drug illegality, both directly and indirectly, causes more harm to a much wider group of people than anything that may arise if they were made legal and regulated.

 

I have to say that I do agree with a lot of what you say. The question is, how much regulation would be optimal before it is easier to buy the drug off the streets instead of a pharmacy? I myself think that addicts could get diagnosed, then subsequently prescribed their drug, before they are eventually weaned off of it. But in practice, there would be misdiagnosed patients, people faking their addiction to sell their prescription, etc- much like how there is a black market for prescription drugs today. However, I'd much prefer people getting high off a pure form of the drug that is taxed (and thus benefiting society) then killing themselves off an impure form, so I guess my model is still somewhat viable.

 

However, no matter what- I still see substantial money being spent on drug enforcement.