AMD discrete GPU market share eroded to less than 20 per cent

[don_svetlio]

Or they will give AMD some money so they will live and Nvidia is not force to split? 

just a thought.

That's the more likely option - hence why I stated that a split is unlikley a few posts above.

Honestly - Nvidia is taking advantage of their reputation too much - AMD currently hold the 2 most selling price points - 380 and 390 beat out the 970 and 960 - no amount of broken hair physics, tessellated horses or crappy batman games will make up for it in my mind.

[Tomsen]

yes they would - were Nvidia to be the only discrete GPU manufacturer anti-monopoly laws would kick in forcing them to split the company and get a lot of law suits headed their way.

You have no idea how this kind of things work.

If anything integrated graphics remains a thing.

[qwertywarrior]

i wonder how a competionless GPU market would function

[AlwaysFSX]

The result of propaganda, fanboys and vendor lock in. This is a really scary perspective for consumers, who well get worse products, less options and higher prices, if this continues.

 

I do however see AMD get markshare back once DX12 starts to take over, and probably Vulkan too. After all when NVidia has to lie to defend their poor DX12 performance, you know it's bad: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/432063-first-directx-12-game-benchmarked-update-1-nvidia-claims-debunked/

Two things wrong with this. The only company I really see having propaganda is AMD every press release they have complaining or saying X is a Y Killer.

 

Second, AMD and Nvidia performed roughly the same in that DX12 test, slightly better than AMD. Only that AMD had a bigger jump in performance from their DX11 drivers (which is a sad thing actually).

[DigitalHermit]

Is it just me or is there some ulterioir motive to all this negative AMD news... *pieces together conspiracy theories* (please take what I say with a grain of salt... I'm concerned for the company and its employees and the future of the GPU and CPU markets...)

[Bob Jim]

750 Ti to R9 370? You can't see they're not the same league?

I was comparing performance/price. The 750Ti and the R7 370 cost the same, the R7 370 performs better.

[don_svetlio]

You have no idea how this kind of things work.

If anything integrated graphics remains a thing.

You really think Intel can compete with anyone in the discrete GPU market?

[AlwaysFSX]

I was comparing performance/price. The 750Ti and the R7 370 cost the same, the R7 370 performs better.

I dunno what world you live in but the 370 consistently costs more..

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

750 Ti to R9 R7 370? You can't see they're not the same league?

 

ftfy 

 

r9 370s are OEM cards that no one can really buy in the market. It is essentially a r7 265 which is also the competitor for the 750 Ti. 

[AlwaysFSX]

ftfy 

 

r9 370s are OEM cards that no one can really buy in the market. It is essentially a r7 265 which is also the competitor for the 750 Ti. 

Keep thinking it's an R9 series, sorry.

[Tomsen]

You really think Intel can compete with anyone in the discrete GPU market?

No, because they aren't.

Not in the sense of trying to distribute dedicated graphics processors no.

You really think it would end up like that?

[Notional]

Two things wrong with this. The only company I really see having propaganda is AMD every press release they have complaining or saying X is a Y Killer.

 

Second, AMD and Nvidia performed roughly the same in that DX12 test, slightly better than AMD. Only that AMD had a bigger jump in performance from their DX11 drivers (which is a sad thing actually).

 

Well they have a point, which more and more reviewers and tech sites are starting to realize (Primarily black boxed proprietary GameWorks).

 

As for the second point, you seem to forget that the AMD cards, equally or out performaning the NVidia cards, are cheaper.

[Bob Jim]

I dunno what world you live in but the 370 consistently costs more..

Rly?

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr737wf2oc2gd

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/palit-video-card-ne5x75tt13411073f

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx750tioc2gd5

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r7370gaming2g

 

Within £10 of each other.

[don_svetlio]

No, because they aren't.

Not in the sense of trying to distribute dedicated graphics processors no.

You really think it would end up like that?

Likely AMD will get financial help - like I said in my first post - but it is not impossible for an Nvidia split to be forced.

[dragosudeki]

i wonder how a competionless GPU market would function

I could see benefits from having a single GPU market.

1. We may not have to upgrade our card a lot depending on whether the only company on the market decides to just slow down. Perhaps the cycle of which they release new cards will be longer, so that each generation will be worth an upgrade.

2. We will see the graphics in games stagnate, which imo is the best thing that could happen. I truly want to see developers add more features to the core game rather than make everything look prettier (Which was my main problem with Witcher 3. Gameplay felt much like Witcher 2, despite Witcher 2 completely change the core from Witcher 1). If we really think about why games like Ark are mad popular right now, it is truly because no game currently is even close to letting you do the same thing. This is why I'm really hype for Fallout 4, instead of all the more visually appealing games that were shown.

 

Not that I want AMD to go down, but there needs to be more change in the GPU market and game industry.

[AlwaysFSX]

Well they have a point, which more and more reviewers and tech sites are starting to realize (Primarily black boxed proprietary GameWorks).

 

As for the second point, you seem to forget that the AMD cards, equally or out performaning the NVidia cards, are cheaper.

And have problems as we've seen in that test.

 

Rly?

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr737wf2oc2gd

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/palit-video-card-ne5x75tt13411073f

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx750tioc2gd5

 

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r7370gaming2g

 

Within £10 of each other.

Don't care for UK prices.

[Briggsy]

 

weird, I read Mercury Research's latest August 13, 2015 report and the numbers are slightly different. AMD definitely lost discrete desktop GPU market share, but it did not dip below 20%. the 18% number seems to be deliberately misleading. In fact, I don't know where Nvidia even got that number, because it does not appear to be from Mercury Research.

 

http://www.mercuryresearch.com/graphics-pr-2015-q3.pdf

 

[Tomsen]

Likely AMD will get financial help - like I said in my first post - but it is not impossible for an Nvidia split to be forced.

Yes, AMD could get a cash infusion, that is entirely within the realm of possibilities.

On this matter? Yes it is.

[Bob Jim]

And have problems as we've seen in that test.

 

Don't care for UK prices.

Firstly that is extremely ignorant, you have to evaluate the whole market. Secondly:

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt7060210m

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr73702gbd5ppdhe

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn75toc2gl

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r73702gd5toc

[AlwaysFSX]

Firstly that is extremely ignorant, you have to evaluate the whole market. 

So the UK is the whole market? Gotcha.

 

Also, taking the handful of cards that are overpriced which no one buys does not prove your point. The 750 Ti is cheaper than the 370 on average.

[Notional]

And have problems as we've seen in that test.

 

Don't care for UK prices.

 

Which problems would that be?

 

Has the 370 even been tested in DX12? 750TI Maxwell 107 is only feature level DX11.0.

[Bob Jim]

So the UK is the whole market? Gotcha.

 

Also, taking the handful of cards that are overpriced which no one buys does not prove your point. The 750 Ti is cheaper than the 370 on average.

 

I also showed the US market. That is most of the market right there. Even the cheapest 750Ti (btw a single fan crud variant) is less than $30 cheaper. The cheapest good 750Ti costs $20 less. Close enoguh that they could fluctuate to within $10 of each other.

[AlwaysFSX]

Which problems would that be?

 

Has the 370 even been tested in DX12? 750TI Maxwell 107 is only feature level DX11.0.

Look at the results and see the obvious answer.

 

I also showed the US market. That is most of the market right there. Even the cheapest 750Ti (btw a single fan crud variant) is less than $30 cheaper. The cheapest good 750Ti costs $20 less. Close enoguh that they could fluctuate to within $10 of each other.

Okiedokie artichokie, whatevery you say.

[Bob Jim]

Look at the results and see the obvious answer.

 

Okiedokie artichokie, whatevery you say.

>Spouts nonsense when has no viable answer

 

k, not debating any more with you.,

[Notional]

Look at the results and see the obvious answer.

 

In other words, you have no argument at all? NVidia's DX11 specific optimizations does not work on this DX12 title. Not just their multithreaded driver for DX11, but also their proprietary shaders are rendered void here. What we are seeing is closer to what the hardware is actually capable of.

 

I agree that AMD's DX11 drivers hasn't been up to par, but the hardware has, and that is what DX12 is showing so far.