New HP gaming PCs released

[mikeeginger]

Haaa funny HP funny Good Joke 

[samcool55]

If it is like their other consumer stuff, it will be an overheating sh*tbox and would be just terrible.

[Trik'Stari]

Why do OEM PC manufacturers always use spec's that make absolutely no sense? It would be more worthwhile if it was a 4690 or maybe a 4460 with a 970 or a 380.

[GarnetDevil]

I'll just leave it here

 

[samcool55]

-snip-

A sh*tbox, as you would expect.

[CapricaBuccaneers]

But they has a right to make a profit yo!

Even when jacking up the prices by over 25% and giving you shit components in return.

They gotta eat.

[linuxfan66]

I'll just leave it here

 

is this spec even possible...ddr3 on 5820k...

[GarnetDevil]

is this spec even possible...ddr3 on 5820k...

They even put DDR4 memory on a 4790K

 

I demand to know what sorcery is that

[MrDynamicMan]

Just be aware that the PSU will be some kind of bullshit proprietary form factor, the motherboard will be riveted to a non-reusable motherboard tray with easily broken plastic plugs, it'll have like two über-shitlord 92mm fans that will sing you the most nasal song of anyone's people, and it will be bottlenecked and misconfigured with non-matching CPUs and GPUs because that's just their style.

NEVER BUY DELL OR HP

Not to forget that they pair an i7 and 32gb of ram with a completely unbalanced gpu. Now the 980 is good, but with a a 4790k and 32gig there should be at least a 980ti.

[MrDynamicMan]

Why do OEM PC manufacturers always use spec's that make absolutely no sense? It would be more worthwhile if it was a 4690 or maybe a 4460 with a 970 or a 380.

Because you need an i7 and a ridiculous amount of ram because the only shots that buy these are spoiled 4 year Olds who see "i7" and "gaming" and jazz their pants and get their parents to buy it. And the only thing they install is minecraft and badly hidden porn.

[DeScruff]

I'd be concerned if they locked down the Bios or something.
I just have bad experiences with HP laptops that have whitelists on which wireless cards I could put into the them. I could totally see them doing something similar and have whitelisting on other parts.
Or my rage that I can't put a AC wireless card (or a 5Ghz compatible card) into my laptop and my dads laptop is blinding me <_<.

[Misanthrope]

Too bad it has what I call Dumbass prebuild syndrome: A systemic disease in which the dumbass deciding on the stats always choose the complete opposite to what a gamer needs: An overpowered CPU and an an underpowered GPU

 

I am talking about this as a disease as I refuse to believe each manufacturer is somehow this motherfucking stupid as to repeat the same mistake over and over.

[flibberdipper]

I like the red LED version. Looks nice.

 

Just be aware that the PSU will be some kind of bullshit proprietary form factor, the motherboard will be riveted to a non-reusable motherboard tray with easily broken plastic plugs, it'll have like two über-shitlord 92mm fans that will sing you the most nasal song of anyone's people, and it will be bottlenecked and misconfigured with non-matching CPUs and GPUs because that's just their style.

 

NEVER BUY DELL OR HP

Let's see... My grandma's HP with a first-gen APU (that's how old it is) has a standard mATX mobo, standard PSU, standard everything... Literally the only thing that isn't standard is the fact that the mobo is upside down and you open it on the opposite side (compared to most cases). So...

[othertomperson]

 

As per usual I would be concerned about this:

 

1. Quality of motherboard and Powersupply.

2. Proprietary crap inside. 

3. Actual cooling performance. 

 

Power Supply I'm not too fussed about. The benefit of a PC from someone like HP is that every single component is under warranty from HP, so if your PSU fries your motherboard, processor and graphics card HP are obliged to replace all of it, not just the component that actually caused it.

 

And the cooling performance looks OK. The case's ventilation seems to be following the same pattern as the Define R5 and the NZXT H440, and the CPU is liquid cooled 

 

Just be aware that the PSU will be some kind of bullshit proprietary form factor, the motherboard will be riveted to a non-reusable motherboard tray with easily broken plastic plugs, it'll have like two über-shitlord 92mm fans that will sing you the most nasal song of anyone's people, and it will be bottlenecked and misconfigured with non-matching CPUs and GPUs because that's just their style.

 

NEVER BUY DELL OR HP

 

Except a cursory glance at the OP would reveal much of that to not be the case.

 

That price for the second spec is way off - my entire build in my profile costs less than £1700 all new and that included a monitor, kb/m and a windows copy that wasn't oem so I could transfer it once I needed to upgrade Mobo. (830 SSD was leftover from other parts). It only comes with an 500 watt PSU so you're not looking good for upgrades either.

So 4790k £221.94 http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Intel+Core+i7-4790K+4.00GHz+%28Devil%27s+Canyon%29+Socket+LGA1150+Processor+?productId=60941

Corsair vengeance 2x8gb £89.99 (x2) http://www.amazon.co.uk/367/dp/B0085IWXB8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1433977899&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+vengeance+16gb

Windows 8.1 £74.31 (full not oem) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-8-1-Full-Version/dp/B00FRAE7MU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433978141&sr=8-1&keywords=windows+8.1

GeForce Gtx 980 £389.98 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-Jetstream-Graphics-Express/dp/B00O9EVSO0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1433978419&sr=8-6&keywords=GeForce+gtx+980

MSi z97 gaming 3 motherboard £82.94 http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z97-Gaming-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00K8KJ6Y8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433978279&sr=8-2&keywords=Z97+motherboard

Evga 750 B2 PSU £72.40 http://www.ebuyer.com/660111-evga-supernova-750w-semi-modular-80-bronze-power-supply-110-b2-0750-vr

Fractal Define S case £62.56 http://www.ebuyer.com/712107-fractal-design-define-s-computer-chassis-fd-ca-def-s-bk

Corsair H100i GTX £93.84 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CW-9060021-WW-Extreme-Performance-Liquid/dp/B00SV7IEJI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433978976&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+h100i

Samsung 850 Pro 256 Gb £109 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-256GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00LMXBOP4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433979233&sr=8-1&keywords=Samsung+850+pro

That's £1286.95 (and I'm damn sure the SSD, aio and PSU in my build are better, and I prefer the case) where's the extra £412 price markup coming from? I just picked random shit off 3 websites, I'm sure I can do better given more time.

 

You must be new to OEMs in this tier. This price is fantastic.

man honestly when will they learn? a I7 with a shitty graphic card? (Let's be honest, if 300 series are all rebrands, that means the R9 370 is going to be a 7870 rebrand, jesus christ.)

 

Get a 4690k or 6600k in there and put at least a 380 or 390 with the saved money.

 

I'm going to be frank here: this forum as a collective needs to get it through its skull that some PCs are not meant for gaming primarily. I know, the fucking horror, but there are reasons you'd want a PC with an i7 and 16GB vram with the option of rudimentary gaming.

 

The 370 in here is a 265 rebrand. This is confirmed by AMD's OEM graphics card site.

 

Do you have a source for this? I cannot see the rebranded card's tier going up. The 370X should at least out-perform a 270X.

 

If it is like their other consumer stuff, it will be an overheating sh*tbox and would be just terrible.

 

I recommend you actually look at the OP instead of just looking at the title and thinking you know something. Look at the case's ventilation. Read the specs: it's liquid cooled.

Why do OEM PC manufacturers always use spec's that make absolutely no sense? It would be more worthwhile if it was a 4690 or maybe a 4460 with a 970 or a 380.

 

4690k and GTX 980. Makes sense to me.

Not to forget that they pair an i7 and 32gb of ram with a completely unbalanced gpu. Now the 980 is good, but with a a 4790k and 32gig there should be at least a 980ti.

 

Actually that's just flat out wrong, and I'll tell you why. Balance for its own sake doesn't exist. No game is going to use more than about 4GB RAM. Anything more than 8GB is, in theory, pointless, regardless of what other specs you have. The reason you'd want more is so you can do more in the background and not micromanage which programs are running at any one time -- this is why I upgraded to 16GB. I don't need it for gaming and adding more ram does not increase gaming performance. A 980 Ti will not "see" 32GB of RAM as any less extreme than a 980, or a GT 130 for all the difference it makes.

 

Because you need an i7 and a ridiculous amount of ram because the only shots that buy these are spoiled 4 year Olds who see "i7" and "gaming" and jazz their pants and get their parents to buy it. And the only thing they install is minecraft and badly hidden porn.

 

Actually I think anyone, for example, rendering videos probably would benefit from an i7 and 32GB vram. But you know, LTT: PCs don't do anything other than game, everyone knows that.

 

Too bad it has what I call Dumbass prebuild syndrome: A systemic disease in which the dumbass deciding on the stats always choose the complete opposite to what a gamer needs: An overpowered CPU and an an underpowered GPU

 

I am talking about this as a disease as I refuse to believe each manufacturer is somehow this motherfucking stupid as to repeat the same mistake over and over.

 

Oh the GTX 980, what a pile of shit... what are you talking about?

[Misanthrope]

Oh the GTX 980, what a pile of shit... what are you talking about?

The original post:

 

£999 gets you a HP Envy in, imo, a good looking brushed aluminium case, an i7 4790, its GPU is an R9 370 which to my knowledge hasn't even been officially announced yet (is it a rebrand of the already rebranded R9 270X? Is it a Tonga GPU? Who knows)

Not to mention at the 1700 pounds options it gets even more stupid: yes I really need 32 gb of ram on a PC sold as a gaming rig but storage? Fuck that let em have a measly 128gb ssd

[othertomperson]

The original post:

 

Not to mention at the 1700 pounds options it gets even more stupid: yes I really need 32 gb of ram on a PC sold as a gaming rig but storage? Fuck that let em have a measly 128gb ssd

 

I've responded to basically this message two or three times now. I'm not going to again.

[Misanthrope]

I've responded to basically this message two or three times now. I'm not going to again.

 

Doesn't changes the fact that it's configured like shit, but have it your way off you go.

[othertomperson]

Doesn't changes the fact that it's configured like shit, but have it your way off you go.

 

Well it does because of reasons I've argued ad nauseum. You can go and read them and respond if you want but I'm not going to keep repeating myself just for your benefit.

[samcool55]

 

 

I recommend you actually look at the OP instead of just looking at the title and thinking you know something. Look at the case's ventilation. Read the specs: it's liquid cooled.

 

 

Liquid cooling won't mean it will be good.

The cooling is probably not enough to keep it nice and quiet. Like it is with the rest of their consumer stuff.

I've seen bad things with alienware pc's that are liquid cooled. Very bad.

Yes the case has a lot of vents, and? Probably unfiltered so it will fill with dust and it will be a pain to get clean.

I'm sure there are cheap cases out there that can do a better job than this.

[othertomperson]

Liquid cooling won't mean it will be good.

The cooling is probably not enough to keep it nice and quiet. Like it is with the rest of their consumer stuff.

I've seen bad things with alienware pc's that are liquid cooled. Very bad.

Yes the case has a lot of vents, and? Probably unfiltered so it will fill with dust and it will be a pain to get clean.

I'm sure there are cheap cases out there that can do a better job than this.

 

Liquid cooling means that there's no reason to necessarily pair internal case temperature with cooling effectiveness, even though this looks pretty decent.

 

You can be as sure as you like, but you're arguing from a point of ignorance, and worse apathetic ignorance.

[samcool55]

Liquid cooling means that there's no reason to necessarily pair internal case temperature with cooling effectiveness, even though this looks pretty decent.

 

You can be as sure as you like, but you're arguing from a point of ignorance, and worse apathetic ignorance.

Well you can belive that Hp made a good product for once. Or face the truth if you follow what they have done in the past.

 

Looks is what makes Hp big, but if you look at any other aspect of their pc's. it's bad.

You probably know how liquid cooling works right? Anyway, if your rad is small (which it will be, i'm sure of that) It won't have enough surface area to cool it properly.

Solution is a fat fan that makes a bunch of noise. And when it will fill with dust, it just will, it will be even worse. And eventually everything will be full of dust, make a lot of noise, will overheat and die. Like i've seen with everything else of HP for consumers.

It's a fact. And if you won't want to belive that, fine, but don't come whining about it over a year. I'm in the business for years, and i know what customers bring back for RMA and why. There is a reason why the company said bye to HP a couple of years ago. And the same might happen with alienware, will depent how steambox will go.

[othertomperson]

Well you can belive that Hp made a good product for once. Or face the truth if you follow what they have done in the past.

 

Looks is what makes Hp big, but if you look at any other aspect of their pc's. it's bad.

You probably know how liquid cooling works right? Anyway, if your rad is small (which it will be, i'm sure of that) It won't have enough surface area to cool it properly.

Solution is a fat fan that makes a bunch of noise. And when it will fill with dust, it just will, it will be even worse. And eventually everything will be full of dust, make a lot of noise, will overheat and die. Like i've seen with everything else of HP for consumers.

It's a fact. And if you won't want to belive that, fine, but don't come whining about it over a year. I'm in the business for years, and i know what customers bring back for RMA and why. There is a reason why the company said bye to HP a couple of years ago. And the same might happen with alienware, will depent how steambox will go.

 

Like I said, unlike an air cooler there is no reason that AIO can't be intaking cool air from outside the case, rendering case temperature actually irrelevant. Then it would be like putting an ok-to decent air cooler (like a Dark Rock or something) outside of your case.

 

Also you're complaining about it having a fan. Well shit, man, I hate to break it to you what the stock cooler consists of. Except this fan is a lot bigger, which means lower RPM per volume of air moved. If you wanted to you could run this at stock with the fan maxing out at about 40%.

 

You can say "it's a fact" as much as you like, but you are speaking from a position of wilful ignorance because you are judging this product on prejudice alone. The fact that you think I'm actually going to remember who you are a year from now, let alone actually have enough emotional investment in an OEM having actually something half decent for a change to for some reason whine over it is indicative of how emotion-driven your argument is, instead of even considering what the facts might be.

[samcool55]

Like I said, unlike an air cooler there is no reason that AIO can't be intaking cool air from outside the case, rendering case temperature actually irrelevant. Then it would be like putting an ok-to decent air cooler (like a Dark Rock or something) outside of your case.

 

Also you're complaining about it having a fan. Well shit, man, I hate to break it to you what the stock cooler consists of. Except this fan is a lot bigger, which means lower RPM per volume of air moved. If you wanted to you could run this at stock with the fan maxing out at about 40%.

 

You can say "it's a fact" as much as you like, but you are speaking from a position of wilful ignorance because you are judging this product on prejudice alone. The fact that you think I'm actually going to remember who you are a year from now, let alone actually have enough emotional investment in an OEM having actually something half decent for a change to for some reason whine over it is indicative of how emotion-driven your argument is, instead of even considering what the facts might be.

There is no HP consumer item that has an intake at the rear. NONE

So it won't be different here. And what i mean is that the rad will be small, so it will need an high-pressure fan to compensate for the small rad. And a fast turning fan = noise. And OEM fans aren't what you can call good. So yes it has liquid cooling, but it's meaningless. It won't change anything of the product. 

 

And yes i'm judging this product, but it's from previous experiences with HP and their products. And well HP is HP and they won't change. They earn a lot of money so there is no reason they won't keep selling the exact same cr*p. Just wait until the reviews of this are out, if someone is even bothered to make one. And you will see how bad it is. We all know HP, so we know what we will get.

[othertomperson]

There is no HP consumer item that has an intake at the rear. NONE

So it won't be different here. And what i mean is that the rad will be small, so it will need an high-pressure fan to compensate for the small rad. And a fast turning fan = noise. And OEM fans aren't what you can call good. So yes it has liquid cooling, but it's meaningless. It won't change anything of the product. 

 

And yes i'm judging this product, but it's from previous experiences with HP and their products. And well HP is HP and they won't change. They earn a lot of money so there is no reason they won't keep selling the exact same cr*p. Just wait until the reviews of this are out, if someone is even bothered to make one. And you will see how bad it is. We all know HP, so we know what we will get.

 

I was unaware that they welded the fans to the chassis preventing you from simply inverting them. If you insist...

 

Your argument about heat is very contradictory, too. The only reason a thin fan would need a high pressure fan is because it has a high fin density, which would compensate for it being thin and would give it the same area as a thicker rad. If it had the same fin density and did sacrifice surface area, then the static pressure required would actually decrease quite significantly.

 

Like I said, you're talking out of your arse about basically everything

[Techhog]

Do you have a source for this? I cannot see the rebranded card's tier going up. The 370X should at least out-perform a 270X.

First of all, this is the 370, not the 370X (though this would still be slower than the 270). Second, as a matter of fact, I do: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/oem (You would have known this if you would have read my post, since I said that it's confirmed by the OEM site.)