DirectX 12 Gives A Boost of 330% To Old Hardware

[Silyy097]

Devs are not gonna spend time porting old games to new APIs. 

But can Linus' 72 thread rig and 2 Titan X run minesweeper with DX12? That is, if they decide to port it.

[Humbug]

Sorry to say this, but that was a stupid decision. Game devs won't make any games compatible with dx12 if they aren't already because they should focus on making new games and just because dx12 can utilize multiple cores better than dx11 it doesn't mean that the games themselves will be more optimized towards a lot of cores.

DX12 and vulkan games will all be better optimized for multiple cores. At least the rendering part. Physics and AI is a question mark and that will depend on the individual game implementations. But the draw calls will be well multithreaded. That's also why AMD CPUs performed well with mantle. Now with dx12 again they definitely will not start beating Intel CPUs in gaming, but they will get a healthy boost and have their lifetimes extended.

[osbios]

Even single threaded interacting with vulkan/dx12 should be way faster then the classic APIs.

Also developers have to spend way less paintime fighting the retarded API limitations/bugs and can put more effort in the rest of the game. Which will be a huge win for the consumer as well.

[Victorious Secret]

Calm down kids, this means NOTHING for any game not developed under DX12 exclusively.

Which means Battlefront 3 MIGHT be the first title with such support, I can see BF5 being a DX12 title for sure. But apart from that? It's entirely different for programming. 330% more draw calls doesn't mean anything for old hardware right now and it might never materialize for a few years.

Let's not get too excited...

[PortentousLad]

[RexinOridle]

Too bad most of the games we play now won't get a DX12 patch. Thanks Obama.

[Doobeedoo]

Already knew about this. Thing is, how will properly coded games run is the question. Hoping for sensibly better performance.

[ChrisxIxCross]

Thing is this is still a benchmark not a full on game, i expect to see some decent gains once we can see some dx12 in-game tests but nothing near this substantial

[Ohlyver]

Even if it did, Nvidia and AMD would release a driver to heavily nerf their graphics cards so people keep upgrading

Or release a new gen of GPU so powerful it would render the titanX to the level of a 960...

[Ohlyver]

It's entirely different for programming.

So it would be like the learning curve we noticed when the ps3 came out with its unusual programming, was weird at the beginning but will end up pretty clean over time..?

[Suika]

The R9 290X is supposed to produce as many draw calls as a Titan X in DX12, but it's not more powerful.

Draw calls are not a valid indicator of gaming performance.

[ACatWithThumbs]

Its possible. Does definitely run better.

It's not the only game I've heard of people getting 20% more performance on Project Cars in Windows 10.

It could be that Windows 10 just handles many effects way better Windows 8.1 gives in some games increased performance Battlefield 4 as an example runs faster on Windows 8.1 compared to 7.

 

[sof006]

It's not the only game I've heard of people getting 20% more performance on Project Cars in Windows 10.

It could be that Windows 10 just handles many effects way better Windows 8.1 gives in some games increased performance Battlefield 4 as an example runs faster on Windows 8.1 compared to 7.

 

Thats bazaar, wonder why that is. Maybe the OS gives better access to the hardware through Windows 8/10 optimised drivers?

[ACatWithThumbs]

Thats bazaar, wonder why that is. Maybe the OS gives better access to the hardware through Windows 8/10 optimised drivers?

I know that in Windows 8.1 it comes from DX11.1/DX11.2 on Windows 10 it could be that the drivers are coded differently now due to DX12 which effects the game performance even without the game supporting the API.

Maybe we should do some benchmarks and compare the results under Windows 7 vs 8.1 vs 10?

EDIT: Project Cars Windows 10 vs 8.1

[Monarch]

The R9 290X is supposed to produce as many draw calls as a Titan X in DX12, but it's not more powerful.

Draw calls are not a valid indicator of gaming performance.

 

They are, it's just they have to do with CPU performance, but yeah, if you're GPU-bound you won't benefit from the extra draw calls. For example, in GTA V looking at the Trevors house in the desert, I get 50 fps with the 290X, 65 fps with the GTX 970. Both GPUs score the same in GPU-bound benchmarks. But because there's less CPU overhead with the Nvidia's driver, more draw calls can be made which results in higher framerates.

[ThE_MarD]

Heyyo,

I have a Q6600 &8600GT system

LOL! Classic! I loved my Intel Core2Quad Q6600. That thing was made of magic and that Core2 series saved intel from the mess of the Pentium 4 and D and ever since then? Intel has been just making CPU amazeballs.  

 

Why is this surprising? Heck why is this even news? We all know DX12 increases draw call limit by an absurd amount. Whether that actually translates to real world performance is a different question.

 

Also how's that even old hardware?

 

If that 2700k is overclocked, it'll perform on par with a 4790k...

Too true... people who don't understand draw calls does not equal performance though lol... too funneh.

You mean, other than the reports and benchmarks on Anandtech, PCPer, Techreport, Techspot, TomsHardware, OC3D, Gamernexus, Guru3D?  Definitely not enough tests done, obviously. /s

*SNIP*

LMFAO! Dude... draw calls does NOT equal framerate... It's a given that AMD GPUs are more efficient with computing. Look at Cryptocoin mining. AMD R9 290X spanks the NVIDIA GTX 780ti... but in gaming? The exact opposite story. Compute does NOT equal gaming performance.

 

They are, it's just they have to do with CPU performance, but yeah, if you're GPU-bound you won't benefit from the extra draw calls. For example, in GTA V looking at the Trevors house in the desert, I get 50 fps with the 290X, 65 fps with the GTX 970. Both GPUs score the same in GPU-bound benchmarks. But because there's less CPU overhead with the Nvidia's driver, more draw calls can be made which results in higher framerates.

Too true, open-world games like GTA V will definitely get yeild better performance gains that closed-off games like Call of Duty but at the same time? There's no guarantees that GTA V will get a DirectX 12 patch unless Rockstar releases some DLC like GTA IV's Episodes From Liberty City. That DLC for PC meant an upgraded Rage engine that was properly optimized unlike the original janky GTA IV release.

There's only a few games that come to mind that got 3D API upgrades post-release. like Battlefield Bad Company 2 with DirectX 11 or Call of Juarez with DirectX 10...

[Sakkura]

Devs are not gonna spend time porting old games to new APIs. Still hopefully by this time next year I expect DX12 or Vulkan to be used on all the big AAA game releases.

 

Depends when they felt comfortable enough about the new APIs to begin developing games for them in earnest - can't have been that many months ago, considering none of them are actually finalized even today. Developing a game takes a while, not least an AAA game.

[Sakkura]

The R9 290X is supposed to produce as many draw calls as a Titan X in DX12, but it's not more powerful.

Draw calls are not a valid indicator of gaming performance.

 

Graphics cards do not produce any draw calls.

[Sauron]

come on, it's a synthetic benchmark... games will NEVER be as well optimized or even close.

[swifty7]

I bet at the end of the day,  none of this shit will deliver what's promised.  It's like a presidential run

[sof006]

I know that in Windows 8.1 it comes from DX11.1/DX11.2 on Windows 10 it could be that the drivers are coded differently now due to DX12 which effects the game performance even without the game supporting the API.

Maybe we should do some benchmarks and compare the results under Windows 7 vs 8.1 vs 10?

EDIT: Project Cars Windows 10 vs 8.1

Wow, thats quite a difference. What black magic is Microsoft using for Windows 10?

 

EDIT: Just been looking and its something to do with the way Microsoft has made Windows 10 overall. The new kernel and obviously direct x reduces overhead between the GPU and CPU and improves performance even though the game is on DX 11.

[Norman_the_Owl]

That moment when a 2600k is called "old hardware"

 

i LOVE my 2600k   : )))

6600k is just around the corner m8

 

 

Seriously tho CPU upgrades are overrated

[Syntaxvgm]

I know that in Windows 8.1 it comes from DX11.1/DX11.2 on Windows 10 it could be that the drivers are coded differently now due to DX12 which effects the game performance even without the game supporting the API.

Maybe we should do some benchmarks and compare the results under Windows 7 vs 8.1 vs 10?

EDIT: Project Cars Windows 10 vs 8.1

I noticed there was a difference I just didn't notice it was that big 

[Humbug]

Wow, thats quite a difference. What black magic is Microsoft using for Windows 10?

May not be that simple. AMD pushed some unique drivers for windows 10 through windows update. It's not available for download on their website. It's possible this driver has some optimizations which are only going to be officially released in this weeks catalyst.... the catalyst 15.5 beta which is supposed to optimize for witcher 3 and project cars. That's the only thing I can thing of anyway...

 

The strange part is however that there seems to be anecdotal evidence from both Nvidia and AMD users that Windows 10 is faster for games.

 

Not complaining...

[sof006]

May not be that simple. AMD pushed some unique drivers for windows 10 through windows update. It's not available for download on their website. It's possible this driver has some optimizations which are only going to be officially released in this weeks catalyst.... which is supposed to optimize for witcher 3 and project cars. That's the only thing I can thing of anyway...

The strange part is however that there seems to be anecdotal evidence from both Nvidia and AMD users that Windows 10 is faster for games. Not complaining...

Yes I am playing Witcher 3 on my 970 right now and its running so smoothly. Far better than it did on Windows 7 with its constant crashing. Using Windows 10 specific driver 352.84 I think it is.