EVGA GTX 960 with 4GB VRAM.

[othertomperson]

Firstly amd will launch a 290 re brand at a super cheap price , basically what happened with the 270/7870.

Secondly there is a 8 GB 290x thats about 14% faster at 4k than the 4 GB one.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sapphire-vapor-x-r9-290x-8gb,3977-6.html

 

Super cheap price. I'll believe that when I see it, it is already heavily discounted.

 

Also for someone who goes on about vram so much you seem to know precious little about its effect. You don't gain performance by increasing it. It's really more of a binary you have enough, or you don't kind of thing. If the game you are running runs absolutely fine with what you have, you will get no benefit whatsoever from adding more. We're not talking a small fps boost, we're talking "there's literally no difference." The only difference is in the, like, two games that have in-game settings that go extreme enough to leverage more than 4GB vram. Personally, I'd take lowering texture quality over buying a version of the card that costs twice as much just for the sake of Watch_Dogs and Dying Light (Crysis 3 would be an example if the 290X were powerful enough as a gpu for two in CF to get more than 24fps at 4K, but it isn't so vram is completely academic there.)

[GangstaRas]

I've just seen a tweet from EVGA, that they'll release a GTX 960 with 4GB of VRAM.

I don't think it's necessary, cause 2GB are usually enough for 1080p gaming, but most ppl still want more than that for some reason. That was one of the great features the R9 280X had, with its 3GB of VRAM.

 

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[Senzelian]

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Uhm, yeah. I would not need more than 2GB to play games at 1080p. But a lot of people still want to have more. So that was why the 280X was usually more recommended than a GTX 960. 

Makes sence, huh?

[nekro]

So for a longtime investment looking for low temp/low consumotion/ as much steady as it can be at 1080/60 fps/ compatible with future directx-games-software is the 4gb a good choice for something lower than 300 euros?

[zappian]

Super cheap price. I'll believe that when I see it, it is already heavily discounted.

 

Also for someone who goes on about vram so much you seem to know precious little about its effect. You don't gain performance by increasing it. It's really more of a binary you have enough, or you don't kind of thing. If the game you are running runs absolutely fine with what you have, you will get no benefit whatsoever from adding more. We're not talking a small fps boost, we're talking "there's literally no difference." The only difference is in the, like, two games that have in-game settings that go extreme enough to leverage more than 4GB vram. Personally, I'd take lowering texture quality over buying a version of the card that costs twice as much just for the sake of Watch_Dogs and Dying Light (Crysis 3 would be an example if the 290X were powerful enough as a gpu for two in CF to get more than 24fps at 4K, but it isn't so vram is completely academic there.)

 

Twice as much eh?

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about.

Makes things so easy for me.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-912v308001

 

Twenty four fps eh? Please do some research before posting nonsense.

[othertomperson]

Twice as much eh?

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about.

Makes things so easy for me.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-912v308001

 

Twenty four fps eh? Please do some research before posting nonsense.

 

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/mr/morecomputers/sapphire-video-card-1003618gvxsr

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-319-AS&campaign=affiliate/tag

 

One and a half times as much. Whatever. Still not worth it for a handful of fps in a minute number of games.

 

I did do research. I'm calling bullshit on your benchmark. Here's how Crysis actually runs at 4K with different combinations of GPU up to 2-way SLI and CF, with only FXAA

 

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-970-sli-review,22.html

 

Here's how it runs with with four GTX 980s

 

 

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GTX-980-3-Way-and-4-Way-SLI-Performance/Crysis-3

 

And with analysis of its scaling in 3 way and 4 way SLI (which is actually incredibly good).

 

As you can see the fps you are claiming with two 970s or two 290Xs is only possible with four 980s.

 

So if you are going to be insufferably condescending, at least be right about it.

 

Oh no those 4GB of vram are such a bottleneck here...

[SteveGrabowski]

Here's how it runs with with four GTX 980s

 

 

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GTX-980-3-Way-and-4-Way-SLI-Performance/Crysis-3

 

And with analysis of its scaling in 3 way and 4 way SLI (which is actually incredibly good).

 

Holy crap, I thought Firestrike and other synthetics were the only things to scale to four GPUs in SLI.

[othertomperson]

Holy crap, I thought Firestrike and other synthetics were the only things to scale to four GPUs in SLI.

 

There are a handful of games. Literally a handful. You should check out that whole article, it's quite interesting. Don't expect more than a few games to do nearly so well.

[SteveGrabowski]

There are a handful of games. Literally a handful. You should check out that whole article, it's quite interesting. Don't expect more than a few games to do nearly so well.

 

Haha, that article tells me even 2-way SLI doesn't make sense most of the time.

[othertomperson]

Haha, that article tells me even 2-way SLI doesn't make sense most of the time.

 

Really? 2-way pretty consistently does better than a single 980, with 2-4 way occupying the same framerates generally.

 

Granted frametimes are difficult to judge because they are absolutely swamped by the lines of the 3-way and 4-way graphs which are all over the place.

 

It's also worth noting that apart from Crysis 3 the other games that scaled very well performed extremely decently with only one 980. If you had a 350 fps monitor, then this scaling might be welcome, otherwise... :-/

[zappian]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/mr/morecomputers/sapphire-video-card-1003618gvxsr

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-319-AS&campaign=affiliate/tag

 

One and a half times as much. Whatever. Still not worth it for a handful of fps in a minute number of games.

 

I did do research. I'm calling bullshit on your benchmark. Here's how Crysis actually runs at 4K with different combinations of GPU up to 2-way SLI and CF, with only FXAA

 

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-970-sli-review,22.html

 

Here's how it runs with with four GTX 980s

 

 

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GTX-980-3-Way-and-4-Way-SLI-Performance/Crysis-3

 

And with analysis of its scaling in 3 way and 4 way SLI (which is actually incredibly good).

 

As you can see the fps you are claiming with two 970s or two 290Xs is only possible with four 980s.

 

So if you are going to be insufferably condescending, at least be right about it.

 

Oh no those 4GB of vram are such a bottleneck here...

 

You are comparing the cheapest 290x 4 GB with the reference cooler , with a 8 GB vapor X which is the most expensive 290x.

Please do a fair comparison like 4 GB vapor X versus 8 GB Vapor X.

Grasping at straws.

I did a comparison of the two msi gaming versions for some reason , so I could see how much the added VRAM would amount too.

Not counting cooler premium , the vapor X is like 80 dollars premium.

[othertomperson]

You are comparing the cheapest 290x 4 GB with the reference cooler , with a 8 GB vapor X which is the most expensive 290x.

Please do a fair comparison like 4 GB vapor X versus 8 GB Vapor X.

Grasping at straws.

I did a comparison of the two msi gaming versions for some reason , so I could see how much the added VRAM would amount too.

Not counting cooler premium , the vapor X is like 80 dollars premium.

 

OK I'll compare a 8GB 290X with a reference cooler. Oh wait there isn't one! If you want a 8GB 290X you are stuck with the most expensive versions, which are approaching the cost of a 980.  (note, even this reference 290X is more expensive than a custom-cooled 970)

 

It's not grasping at straws at all. If you want a 8GB 290X, that's what you have to pay. And for such a small FPS boost in such a tiny number of games at such a high resolution it is not remotely worth it. Stop telling people to waste their money.

[zappian]

OK I'll compare a 8GB 290X with a reference cooler (note, even this 290X is more expensive than a custom-cooled 970) . Oh wait there isn't one! If you want a 8GB 290X you are stuck with the most expensive versions, which are approaching the cost of a 980.

 

It's not grasping at straws at all. If you want a 8GB 290X, that's what you have to pay. And for such a small FPS boost in such a tiny number of games at such a high resolution it is not remotely worth it. Stop telling people to waste their money.

 

There is  the msi gaming290x 8 GB which is quite cheap , do you even read my posts?

Nvm that I showed you a 14% increase between a 4 GB card and a 8 GB card.

Its definitively worth it at 4k the 40 bucks difference.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g- 8 GB version

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-912v308001- 4 GB version

[othertomperson]

There is  the msi gaming290x 8 GB which is quite cheap , do you even read my posts?

Nvm that I showed you a 14% increase between a 4 GB card and a 8 GB card.

Its definitively worth it at 4k the 40 bucks difference.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g- 8 GB version

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-912v308001- 4 GB version

 

I am reading your posts and am feeling my IQ decrease each time. I have explained to you how your understanding of the effect that vram has is flawed, I have shown you how Crysis 3 scales with SLI on a 4GB card -- I have shown you four 4GB GPUs at SLI at 4K still be bottlenecked by GPU performance. I have demonstrated how the 8GB is only good value over the 4GB card if you choose a 4GB card that wasn't good value to start with (it was more expensive than the 970). And you're lecturing someone who actually uses 4K as their daily driver what its requirements are, yet again.

 

8GB 290Xs are snake oil sold on the basis of misinformation that you are perpetuating. Do. Not. Touch. Them.

[Faa]

You are comparing the cheapest 290x 4 GB with the reference cooler , with a 8 GB vapor X which is the most expensive 290x.

Please do a fair comparison like 4 GB vapor X versus 8 GB Vapor X.

Grasping at straws.

I did a comparison of the two msi gaming versions for some reason , so I could see how much the added VRAM would amount too.

Not counting cooler premium , the vapor X is like 80 dollars premium.

You'll only benefit from more vram if you're out of vram, this is when you run out of vram;

Kills your performance literally, the game isn't playable at that point anymore. This is like the 2nd time I'm explaining you this? 

[Modzy]

I've just seen a tweet from EVGA, that they'll release a GTX 960 with 4GB of VRAM.

I don't think it's necessary, cause 2GB are usually enough for 1080p gaming, but most ppl still want more than that for some reason. That was one of the great features the R9 280X had, with its 3GB of VRAM.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00914/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-960-4GB/

 

Mod note: This thread is for discussion of the 4GB GTX 960. Any off topic posts, especially those regarding the 970, will be removed.

BF4 for example will use upto 3.5Gb now at 1080P so I guess 4gb might become the new standard for 1080P. 

[Kamina]

I wish my 960 had at least 3GB and a little bit more power.

 

I really hope DirectX12 can make SLI to VRAM stack like they promise. 4G seems a bit overkill for a 960, but I don't know...

[Senzelian]

BF4 for example will use upto 3.5Gb now at 1080P so I guess 4gb might become the new standard for 1080P.

Then I wonder why I never had problems with my 760. I couldn't play it on ultra anyways and at 1080p it only used likee 1.2GB.

[Modzy]

Then I wonder why I never had problems with my 760. I couldn't play it on ultra anyways and at 1080p it only used likee 1.2GB.

 

I run bf4 on a mix of low-medium with my 970 as I hate all the extra effects. But even then it still uses 3.5

[Fate]

BF4 for example will use upto 3.5Gb now at 1080P so I guess 4gb might become the new standard for 1080P. 

At 1080p? What? I can play that game on ultra preset just fine with my 2GB R9 270 with some dips into high 40's in 64p servers. 

I'm not sure why, but the more ram you have, the more you use. 

 

 

See in theory after seeing the vram usage on the Titan with 4x AA, you'd think the game would be unplayable (a couple (1-2) fps) on a 3GB card. 

However, this is not true.

 

 

 

Example of running out of vram

[Albatross]

So, will 4gb even help the card perform better? I read something about its bus preventing it from using it/something like that?

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

So, will 4gb even help the card perform better? I read something about its bus preventing it from using it/something like that?

not with the same game with same resolution you were playing before no, but higher resolution yes 

[ACatWithThumbs]

Good this card shouldn't have 2GB in the first place.
Many games go over 2GB at 1080p which is why the HD7950 and HD7970 had 3GB.
 

[sgloux3470]

This is going to be one of those "It doesn't make any sense, but people will buy it" cards.

 

The extra memory will bump up the price to ~$250-300 atleast if not more which is starting to step on the toes of the 290/970 price bracket without having the performance to back it up.  

 

But people will buy it because they think they need 4 GB of VRAM and want a nvidia GPU even if both the 280x and 290 would be better, cheaper choices.

 

The only purpose this would serve is in a SLI rig, much like the 6 GB 280x.

 

 

 

8GB 290Xs are snake oil sold on the basis of misinformation that you are perpetuating. Do. Not. Touch. Them.

 

All of these "DOUBLE VRAM" cards usually are.

 

Companies are starting to notice that they make a lot of extra money.  The success of the 8 GB 290x led to the 6 GB 280x and now the 4 GB 960.  Same deal with the 6 GB 780's.