Gaming & Windows Experience on iMac 5K - iSwitched Part 4

[melias24]

really interested about this, thanks nick

[jrfox87]

Where did you guys get that the R9 M295X in the iMac is an 8GB card? Apple themselves list it as only being 4GB. Am I missing something here?

[suicidalfranco]

Gaming & Windows Experience on iMac 5K - iSwitched AfterParty: External GPU

 

hun, huuuuunnnn.....

[D4RK]

is the R9 M295x under clocked?, since the last imac with a gtx 680xm came with the gpu under clocked a bit.

 

who ever is going for iMac is clearly buying it just because it have "bigger numbers". >_>

[Sauron]

...and people still defend this machines as workstations... nobody sane would want a computer that regularly thermal throttles for doing actual intensive work...

[Mashnut]

 

How is Linus getting an 8GB VRAM model?

[small2cats]

I can never understand how any macs fit into the market. It costs more, does less. Innovation at it's best, let's take an unlocked CPU and put without adequate cooling so it burns itself to death. They could have used monstrous heatsinks inside the case, just cover the internals with heatsink which makes contact with the body. The whole aluminium frame would nicely dissipate all the heat properly. But oh well, it's a mac after all. If it gives you your money's worth it wouldn't have an apple logo on it.

[padi]

It is possible to increse the resolution. You just need CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) to manualy create a new 5K profile. That new profile will be visible in Screen Resolution.

The issue is the GPU, which may not be supported, but if someone can contact Linus or whatever, tell them this

I tested it with an old ATI 1250X. And it worked, i needed 1680x1050.

Here is a link for downloading the program http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

[BonSie]

The new Alienware 15 laptop has access to the M295M, maybe you can test it better in that thing. 

[Meissner]

Why using Windows for all the Games you tested? For example Team Fortress 2 and LoL also run in Mac.

[pwn_intended]

Why using Windows for alle the Games you tested? For example Team Fortress 2 and LoL also run in Mac.

The test was to see how the m295X stacks up against the 980m.

[Qub3d]

B-but... I like multi-part videos...

It is possible to increse the resolution. You just need CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) to manualy create a new 5K profile. That new profile will be visible in Screen Resolution.

The issue is the GPU, which may not be supported, but if someone can contact Linus or whatever, tell them this

I tested it with an old ATI 1250X. And it worked, i needed 1680x1050.

Here is a link for downloading the program http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

@LinusTech Read that ^^

[GuestForeverX]

I actually like the multi-part episodes. I can sit down and watch a 10 minute youtube video then go back to what I was doing. Instead of trying to sit through a 40 minute Episode.

[The Benjamins]

can you not use Custom Resolution Utility (CRU) and the AMD/ATI Pixel Clock Patcher to force it to 5K?

 

 

It is possible to increse the resolution. You just need CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) to manualy create a new 5K profile. That new profile will be visible in Screen Resolution.

The issue is the GPU, which may not be supported, but if someone can contact Linus or whatever, tell them this 

I tested it with an old ATI 1250X. And it worked, i needed 1680x1050.

Here is a link for downloading the program http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

 

 

I used this to get my 1440p 60Hz monitor too 100Hz

[peanutsrevenge]

I don't care about the multi-part videos, in fact, I prefer them (within reason) if it means 2x,3x,4x the ad revenue as it's better than multiple ads in the same video and makes it easier to share the relevant sections with other people.

 

Now I'm hoping for a Linux iSwitched (yes, I've mentioned it several times but it's that or keep nagging about disclosure of the AT&T thought process).

[TecaFondo]

I don't know if the fan is spinning at max speed, but if it isn't I would recommend using Mac Fan Control, so you can control the fan speed manually.

http://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control (oficial Mac Fan Control download page)

[theodoro]

And i wondered what magic, Apple did, to cool a 4790K and still have a super slim profile. Afterall, it was just the "overheat" magic    

Also, i like the OSX, so there is a value to the apple products imo. Of course, you can make a macintosh PC, but sometimes it's a bit tricky and maybe buggy.  
I personally want a macbook, but for desktop use i prefer a trusty (windows) PC, that i can actually upgrade and fix by myself. 

[mayu]

Just wondering if anyone knows where I can find benchmark comparison for games on Windows and Mac on somewhat similar hardware.

 

Also what about Windows vs Linux on similar hardware.

 

I am expecting windows to do better with better driver support and updates due to much larger userbase

[Wardy98]

After watching this video, I personally believe that Linus has unfairly judged the 5K iMac. 

 

When exploring the reasons why he felt that the iMac did not deliver the exact same experience of Windows as on a PC, Linus mentioned the fact that Windows would not output at the 5K resolution of the iMac but rather at 4K, with Linus then explaining that this was disappointing on a 5K display and overall a worse experience than using the native resolution, as shown by the blurring of the Twitter logo. I believe that this is rather unfair because it is not Apple's responsibility in anyway to ensure that Windows is able to output correctly at the 5K resolution. Apple does not specifically manufacture the iMac for users to use the Boot Camp utility in order to install Windows on such machines, therefore any issues regarding the Windows experience on an iMac should be the sole responsibility of Microsoft and thus should be addressed to them. Apple manufactures iMacs to run Mac OS X specifically, therefore any additional OS installs on the iMac are third party and are the responsibility of the relevant software manufacturers. 

 

Moreover, Linus continues in the video to state how the thermal throttling of the iMac, when under a 100% stress test in Windows, was disappointing and frankly denying the user of the iMac the full performance of the i7 within the iMac compared to a Windows user sporting the same processor. This, I believe, is also an unfair representation of the iMac and its cooling/CPU performance. This is due to the fact that the stress test was conducted in Windows and therefore stressed the CPU in a way that Mac OS X would not, due to the fact that Windows stresses the iMac hardware in a different way compared with Mac OS X. This is as a result of the Mac OS X being specifically optimised for the iMac hardware and would thus not stress the CPU in such a way that Windows would. The software used to conduct multi-threaded applications (video editing, photo editing etc) would not be used within Windows on an iMac by such user, but rather obviously in Mac OS X, therefore meaning that the software used for such applications within Mac OS X would be, again, specifically optimised for the Mac OS X platform, meaning that the iMac hardware would not thermal throttle. 

 

Finally, Linus commented that the gaming experience was not the best on the R9 295X compared with a 980M. I believe the comparison between the GT80 Titan and the iMac (regarding gaming performance) is invalid because who would purchase an iMac to then use such machine for Windows gaming? The iMac is aimed mainly at content and design professionals, as a result of industry standards, therefore why would the iMac hardware be chosen specifically with gaming performance in mind in Windows, rather than increased performance in content/design applications within Mac OS X?

 

To summarise, in no way do I believe that Linus' opinions were wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Evidently, the video was looking at the gaming performance and Windows experience on the 5K iMac; however, as a Mac and PC user, I feel that the iMac was analysed in fields that it was not purposely intended for. I personally believe that in the video the 5K iMac was unfairly portrayed to be lacking in gaming performance and a Windows experience that matches its hardware, when actually the machine is intended for other purposes and offers the Windows dual-boot experience as an option to the experience. 

 

I do not in anyway intended to fuel arguments regarding this video, but rather I feel that in sharing my opinion that I can show an alternative viewpoint.

[The Benjamins]

After watching this video, I personally believe that Linus has unfairly judged the 5K iMac. 

 

When exploring the reasons why he felt that the iMac did not deliver the exact same experience of Windows as on a PC, Linus mentioned the fact that Windows would not output at the 5K resolution of the iMac but rather at 4K, with Linus then explaining that this was disappointing on a 5K display and overall a worse experience than using the native resolution, as shown by the blurring of the Twitter logo. I believe that this is rather unfair because it is not Apple's responsibility in anyway to ensure that Windows is able to output correctly at the 5K resolution. Apple does not specifically manufacture the iMac for users to use the Boot Camp utility in order to install Windows on such machines, therefore any issues regarding the Windows experience on an iMac should be the sole responsibility of Microsoft and thus should be addressed to them. Apple manufactures iMacs to run Mac OS X specifically, therefore any additional OS installs on the iMac are third party and are the responsibility of the relevant software manufacturers. 

 

Moreover, Linus continues in the video to state how the thermal throttling of the iMac, when under a 100% stress test in Windows, was disappointing and frankly denying the user of the iMac the full performance of the i7 within the iMac compared to a Windows user sporting the same processor. This, I believe, is also an unfair representation of the iMac and its cooling/CPU performance. This is due to the fact that the stress test was conducted in Windows and therefore stressed the CPU in a way that Mac OS X would not, due to the fact that Windows stresses the iMac hardware in a different way compared with Mac OS X. This is as a result of the Mac OS X being specifically optimised for the iMac hardware and would thus not stress the CPU in such a way that Windows would. The software used to conduct multi-threaded applications (video editing, photo editing etc) would not be used within Windows on an iMac by such user, but rather obviously in Mac OS X, therefore meaning that the software used for such applications within Mac OS X would be, again, specifically optimised for the Mac OS X platform, meaning that the iMac hardware would not thermal throttle. 

 

Finally, Linus commented that the gaming experience was not the best on the R9 295X compared with a 980M. I believe the comparison between the GT80 Titan and the iMac (regarding gaming performance) is invalid because who would purchase an iMac to then use such machine for Windows gaming? The iMac is aimed mainly at content and design professionals, as a result of industry standards, therefore why would the iMac hardware be chosen specifically with gaming performance in mind in Windows, rather than increased performance in content/design applications within Mac OS X?

 

To summarise, in no way do I believe that Linus' opinions were wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Evidently, the video was looking at the gaming performance and Windows experience on the 5K iMac; however, as a Mac and PC user, I feel that the iMac was analysed in fields that it was not purposely intended for. I personally believe that in the video the 5K iMac was unfairly portrayed to be lacking in gaming performance and a Windows experience that matches its hardware, when actually the machine is intended for other purposes and offers the Windows dual-boot experience as an option to the experience. 

 

I do not in anyway intended to fuel arguments regarding this video, but rather I feel that in sharing my opinion that I can show an alternative viewpoint.

It is still a product issue, even if its a AMD driver problem.

 

its a stress test, it will not run different on different OS, all it does is max out the hardware, unless your saying OSX will not make out the hardware.

[tsk]

Maybe I am in the minority, but I actually do enjoy the multipart episodes.

There was obviously a lot to talk about when it comes to the iMac/OSX ecosystem and looking beyond the usual scope of high performing PC parts gives one a better understanding of the realities of the tech market. I will probably never own an iMac. But that does not mean I shouldn't know about them.

Agreed, multipart episode is a must for deeper knowledge.

[Bsmith]

on certain things(imac reviews, watercooling vlogs) i like multiple parts, altough there is a limit(watercooling vlogs) to that, which you still need to find, i do say that 2-3 episodes is max unless you are going very indepth with lots of details, then 5 would be allowed i guess.

 

 

also:

this has proven that mac hardware is not magic, but the magic is the OSX system.

(the fact of stability and compatability for certain software)

[Markmjb]

The resizing problem in windows could be expected, I can't really imagine someone walking up to some employer with a Steve Jobs attitude saying: " Ok, how about we let them change the resolution on this screen, and if it doesn't fit we just add black borders? "

 

Imagine you would actually pay the freaking €3400.- (or dollar equivalent) for this computer and than seeing the thermal throttling... poor you. 

[Master Disaster]

Iswitched Linux next please Linus, the more parts the better mwhahahahaha

[MAXXHEW]

Q: Can You Game on an iMac 5K?

A: No thank you.