Windows 10 Event

[Opcode]

I quite literally only use windows for gaming, everything else is done on a Linux distro where possible (I try a different distro every few months to see what I'd prefer to use).

I run Linux because it does everything that I do on a daily bases that I once did on Windows while being faster and more secure. Tho I have thought about stripping down Windows 8.1 using NTLite so I have just the base core of the operating system required for just gaming. That way I can dual boot without the hassles of Windows taking up a ton of space nor it being resource heavy just because it wants to. If Windows 10 turns out to be acceptable I may make the switch back to Windows as my daily driver just so I can get back into gaming and Windows programming.

[Dabombinable]

I run Linux because it does everything that I do on a daily bases that I once did on Windows while being faster and more secure. Tho I have thought about stripping down Windows 8.1 using NTLite so I have just the base core of the operating system required for just gaming. That way I can dual boot without the hassles of Windows taking up a ton of space nor it being resource heavy just because it wants to. If Windows 10 turns out to be acceptable I may make the switch back to Windows as my daily driver just so I can get back into gaming and Windows programming.

I used to use nlite for XP (very useful for upgrading my SP2 disc to SP3, and adding the drivers for the computers the disc was for), but when I saw just how limited the windows 7 version was I decided to not even bother with it. I could no longer add drivers and programs easily, or make an unattended installer. If only windows could be customized like open suse. And windows 10 is looking good so far, I've got it on my web server, and I actually had no difficulties in using it over windows 7, unlike the times I tried windows 8/8.1.

[Opcode]

I used to use nlite for XP (very useful for upgrading my SP2 disc to SP3, and adding the drivers for the computers the disc was for), but when I saw just how limited the windows 7 version was I decided to not even bother with it. I could no longer add drivers and programs easily, or make an unattended installer. If only windows could be customized like open suse. And windows 10 is looking good so far, I've got it on my web server, and I actually had no difficulties in using it over windows 7, unlike the times I tried windows 8/8.1.

Yeah, the developer rewrote nLite and created NTLite. I haven't look into how powerful it is at stripping Windows 8.1 down. I know with nLite you could wreck Windows XP to where it ran on less than 50 MB of ram

[GoodBytes]

@GoodBytes You're boasting Windows way too much dude. It's a fine platform in its own respects but you make it sound like the best operating system there is by trying to rule out any and all negativity or criticism towards it. It's a great gaming platform but otherwise it's really a clunky pile of insecure steaming shit. That doesn't mean I hate Windows it just means it's not as good as you portray it as. I myself have been waiting for Windows 10 launch so I can install it full time (switching back from Linux for Battlefield 3). Tho it's certainly not the "operating system of operating systems".

Yes I agree. I know. I tend to get overly excited for actually all technology. Monitors (me and 4K monitors for example), new gaming console (any of them), big software that affects many, and more.

I guess, the way I see things, is that they are the best things ever until shown otherwise in a constructive matter. I do get overly passion about technology. Like for example the Catopsys project (http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/294210-backed-by-nvidia-catopsys-bring-microsofts-illumiroom-vision-to-life/), Will it suck or never be release? Could be, but I get super exited about it, as you can see from my posts.

I guess it's a just a way to see things. I know some people here, anything new they see it with a skeptical eye, and difficult to sale an idea or new feature too or see any value of a new feature until tried, and well "certified", if you will.

I'll try anything. I am open to it, that is also why I love beta software. I like playing in such environment to see what is new and what is coming up next. But I am also realist. Once I have experienced and explored what is new, then I like to talk about it. I'll criticize and try and be constructive on my criticisms. They are many things I don't like about Windows, and I posted a lot on the feedback section.

For example, I don't understand how the command prompt, which is still an important tool for IT and power users, yet until NOW, in end 2014 with Windows 10 public preview, you could not copy and paste easily, you cannot select text easily, let alone scale the window as you please? Come on. Glad that Microsoft finally worked on it after all these years. Better late than never.

I don't like the fact how Microsoft talk about things, show that they can do it, or have this idea in their head, but give up, or the complete miss management decision that sometimes happens within Microsoft.

For example, the Game folder, and Save game apps, which I talked about. Great idea. But Microsoft own Windows Game Live thing doesn't use it. Sure it sucks the damn thing, ok, so make it better... they weren't. No real work done on it, and give up. Well good that they given up, if they are going to ignore it, but come on. It had potential.

How about the million times the company re-invent the wheel? For example, Microsoft WebMatrix (powerful web language text editor, and is free), why it's text editor doesn't use Visual Studio text editor? Why they needed to recreate code that already exists and perfected over the many years? Heck, why is it integrated in Visual Studio in the first place? Why can't I use Visual Studio to develop PHP, for example? There is a free version of the software, so what is the problem? A plug-in could have been made for it.

And I can go on in more details or more about the company if you like, but that is off topic.

Anyway, all to say, sorry for my over-excitement, I am just like that. I hope you understand.

[deathjester]

Yes I agree. I know. I tend to get overly excited for actually all technology. Monitors (me and 4K monitors for example), new gaming console (any of them), big software that affects many, and more.

I guess, the way I see things, is that they are the best things ever until shown otherwise in a constructive matter. I do get overly passion about technology. Like for example the  project (http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/294210-backed-by-nvidia-catopsys-bring-microsofts-illumiroom-vision-to-life/), Will it suck or never be release? Could be, but I get super exited about it, as you can see from my posts.

I guess it's a just a way to see things. I know some people here, anything new they see it with a skeptical eye, and difficult to sale an idea or new feature too or see any value of a new feature until tried, and well "certified", if you will.

 

No "illumiroom" will never see the light of day. Multiple kinects or cameras, multiple screens (image quality is horrible without screens and mediocre with them at 1080p), the GPU power needed to power all those screens, all to get less immersion than a Rift, which needs far less expensive hardware, GPU power.

 

Illumiroom is something MS did to advertise the kinect (and made sure to mention KINECT in every demo) and when they showed the project it was along the lines of "see kinect isn't dead" even though this was multiple cameras and nothing that could be done on their console. This project has changed names now 3 times...

 

 

^ laughable.

 

It has a 2500 dollar pricetag, is inferior to Rift and costs more. This is like wanting people to invest in zeppelins after the passenger plane came out. People are not going to pay 2500 bucks, build a room to play this, with crap all over the ceiling, with screens all to play whack a mole type games...

 

To be fair? VR on a PS4 with that GPU (performs like a 7790)? Is a pipe dream by Sony. Both advertising and both silly. Sony's might be worth a darn on a PC though with 4-8 times the PS4's GPU power.

[Opcode]

Yes I agree. I know. I tend to get overly excited for actually all technology. Monitors (me and 4K monitors for example), new gaming console (any of them), big software that affects many, and more.

I guess, the way I see things, is that they are the best things ever until shown otherwise in a constructive matter. I do get overly passion about technology. Like for example the Catopsys project (http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/294210-backed-by-nvidia-catopsys-bring-microsofts-illumiroom-vision-to-life/), Will it suck or never be release? Could be, but I get super exited about it, as you can see from my posts.

I guess it's a just a way to see things. I know some people here, anything new they see it with a skeptical eye, and difficult to sale an idea or new feature too or see any value of a new feature until tried, and well "certified", if you will.

I'll try anything. I am open to it, that is also why I love beta software. I like playing in such environment to see what is new and what is coming up next. But I am also realist. Once I have experienced and explored what is new, then I like to talk about it. I'll criticize and try and be constructive on my criticisms. They are many things I don't like about Windows, and I posted a lot on the feedback section.

For example, I don't understand how the command prompt, which is still an important tool for IT and power users, yet until NOW, in end 2014 with Windows 10 public preview, you could not copy and paste easily, you cannot select text easily, let alone scale the window as you please? Come on. Glad that Microsoft finally worked on it after all these years. Better late than never.

Most of us share the same hype about new products making their way to the market. Tho sadly you have a knack for hyping way too much. I am certain Windows 10 will be a large step forward for Microsoft in the manner of pleasing everyone. Tho at the end of the day there is still a dictionary worth of how much is wrong with it in places. In my eyes Windows will always be a candy coated steaming pile of poo. I'll still recommend it and use it but that's just the mentality I retain based on what I know of it. It's best to focus on key aspects that do make the product good instead of going all out with it being the best thing since fried dough. There is a lot of key changes under the belt of Windows 10 that I do enjoy myself. One being the return of the classic style start menu but also with the integration of live tiles within the same menu. I imagine Microsoft has further worked the NT kernel to improve performance and resource consumption over Windows 8.1 due to it being a one stop operating system for all devices. Windowed WinRT applications and the addition of Cortana are also likely favorable additions. I personally can't wait until we reach the point of a built in "Jarvis" out of the box. These are all features to look forward to but I don't think warrant as much hype as you may portray. The new command prompt is also a welcomed improvement. The addition of a aptitude-synaptic style package manager would also benefit Microsoft greatly in the perceivable future. Where software can be installed with a simple command meanwhile allowing Windows itself to constantly check the repositories for updates as Linux does ensuring your software is entirely up to date with little to no interaction from the end user. Basically what I am trying to say is that your own hype and excitement over a new product comes off a little bold in your posts. Hyping a product is fine as long as you hype it for the right reasons. Your first post to this thread kind of came off like "it's the best thing ever, if you don't think so then tell me why, I dare you". 

[GoodBytes]

That's room alive. Yea, that won't happen. Cool concept, maybe a theme park can implement this as a sort of entertainment with fancier projector, game mechanics and visuals, but in a home, no. Illumiroom is something different. It is only 1 projector that scans the wall in front for objects and excludes your TV in the projection. I uses a wide lens to project to the entire wall, to give a feel of augmentation to a the game experience. The problem is that even crap projectors, aren't cheap, and if you want them quiet, you need to cash out a lot of money.

Maybe the day LED projectors and lens manufacturing gets cheaper it will be a reality, and maybe a cool accessory to get with a console or PC on TV setups, but I think it is a great first step. Will it suck and not work right? Probably. But so did many technologies, and only came good years after. The idea is to get started.

Was the first smartphone good? No it was complete crap, and completely overpriced, heavy, bulky and not even close to a day battery life.

For example the IBM Simon

The touch screen was total crap too. But look at what we have today. You can get something massively better for 150$.

Software is guilty of the same thing. But it's far easier to fix, and turn the page. For many software that gets released as version 1, it really started with a proof of concept. The software is not great, buggy here and there, has computability issue. It's not that no effort was not put, but rather limited resources, but then comes version 2.0.

[GoodBytes]

Hyping a product is fine as long as you hype it for the right reasons. Your first post to this thread kind of came off like "it's the best thing ever, if you don't think so then tell me why, I dare you". 

Oh. That was not the intend. I'll be more careful next time.

Thanks! I appreciate the constructive feedback.

My post was more of a joke, making fun of the, to me, silly arguments being done on Windows. On how a small thing automatically makes the OS impossible to use, with a overly dramatic way, or provides no constructive arguments onto why they see it as no good, beside the "it's new, it's different, I don't like it", but when it's another company doing something similar: "Oh Wow! Best idea ever! If only Microsoft was so innovative.", or basing arguments on pictures alone, and so on. Or how people still assume that IE11 is like IE6. It's not great web browser, but has many great things, and is far superior to IE6. Is it the fastest? no. Does it a do a decently good job at supporting new technology at it's release? Yea. Would be better if Microsoft is more pro-activate in improving the web browser (IE11, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3, etc...) keeping the web browser up to date to web standard and tweaking it and making it better, faster, and not have to wait a full 3 years to enjoy a catches up web browser.

If it ends up being crap, than ok it's crap. But going "I will stay to Windows 7, as Windows 10 is unusable for IE12 (or what ever it will be called)", is a bit silly, which I find many people over react at times. Try it, genuinely. If you like it great. If you don't, ok, at least you tried with an open mind. Now you know what sucks, you might have an idea how it should be fixed, and that can be discussed, and hopefully Microsoft fixes it in the future. If not, and many agrees with you, then it will be a problem for Microsoft.

[deathjester]

That's room alive. Yea, that won't happen. Cool concept, maybe a theme park can implement this as a sort of entertainment with fancier projector, game mechanics and visuals, but in a home, no. Illumiroom is something different. It is only 1 projector that scans the wall in front for objects and excludes your TV in the projection. I uses a wide lens to project to the entire wall, to give a feel of augmentation to a the game experience. The problem is that even crap projectors, aren't cheap, and if you want them quiet, you need to cash out a lot of money.

Maybe the day LED projectors and lens manufacturing gets cheaper it will be a reality, and maybe a cool accessory to get with a console or PC on TV setups, but I think it is a great first step. Will it suck and not work right? Probably. But so did many technologies, and only came good years after. The idea is to get started.

Was the first smartphone good? No it was complete crap, and completely overpriced, heavy, bulky and not even close to a day battery life.

For example the IBM Simon

The touch screen was total crap too. But look at what we have today. You can get something massively better for 150$.

Software is guilty of the same thing. But it's far easier to fix, and turn the page. For many software that gets released as version 1, it really started with a proof of concept. The software is not great, buggy here and there, has computability issue. It's not that no effort was not put, but rather limited resources, but then comes version 2.0.

 

The great first step is Rift. Try Rift and then compare it to these faux reality rooms. It will literally blow your mind. Projectors and cameras isn't exactly new. Rift was kind of a pipe dream before the last price drop on GPU's when the GTX 970 came out. Running 4 or more screens (6 would be needed for complete immersion) is more of a pipe dream for far less of a payoff.

 

Add to that the consoles don't have the CPU power needed for that many GPU's for REAL games (not whack a mole). You can't just hook big Nvidia cards up to Xbox One's 1.7 ghz AMD CPU and expect to play any game that isn't a gimmick. 

 

Sony has only demoed limited interactivity VR where you do things like stand in a shark cage and not much else. Like I said. This is advertising. Those kind of games would be a massive failure and are gimmicks and not the future. This is just the consoles saying, "we aren't outdated", "we have immersion to", even though they don't and can't.

 

This is not the future, this is regression. It reminds me of the first CD ROM games which used movie footage. Yup the video footage looked better than other game graphics. Game play suffered and the games were horrible though. It was a gimmick. So is this.

[GoodBytes]

True, but that is a VR headset. Beside better response time, more colors, lighter, and affordable, there isn't much innovation put into it since the early 90's VR. I am not saying it is a 5 sec job. I know its freaking complicated, and it's about the combination of the right sensors and software integration needed to make it good. And I applaud Oculus team for figuring it out, and very exited to experience this technology. But they are reports of headaches, dizziness, has lag when moving your head, you can see the pixel grid if you have good eyes, despite the improve resolution, you can see ghosting more easily as they use cellphone screens which aren't as fast a desktop computer monitors, and up close to your face, and only a single player experience (due to price and processing power (ie: you can't easily buy 4 of them, and play a local multiplayer game with it form 1 computer).

I am seeing Illuminroom as a POTENTIAL "in between" step technology, while VR is perfected. Perhaps with more research on why it causes headaches and dizziness thanks to research, it will better determine the cause and look into fixing it, or be able to reduce it. Maybe it is due to the lag, maybe the ghosting, maybe because of the LCD panel is PWM driven, or a combination of things, who knows, but it will eventually come. But I don't think it is a technology ready for today. Much like Illumiroom. But Illumiroom biggest challenge is price. While VR headset, is as mentioned, many things. So, that is why I see it as "in between" solution. Sure it is probably most gimmicky, like those TVs with back light on the wall, which illuminates based on the content on the screen. Is it a must? No. Is it cool to have? Sure, why not? Does it do what it claim to do? Maybe. I never tried it to know, but if it's cheap to implement, why not? It's good to have fun, and not only focus in being utilitarian ways all the time.

[Dabombinable]

Yeah, the developer rewrote nLite and created NTLite. I haven't look into how powerful it is at stripping Windows 8.1 down. I know with nLite you could wreck Windows XP to where it ran on less than 50 MB of ram

What would you need to remove to get it operating on so little (and for me, on less than 544MB storage)? Because I might just install XP on my P3 rig, since I've had it using just under 128MB after a fresh install, and 89MB in safe mode.

[Opcode]

The Oculus Rift will see a lot of attention this year at GDC especially from AMD.

 

What would you need to remove to get it operating on so little (and for me, on less than 544MB storage)? Because I might just install XP on my P3 rig, since I've had it using just under 128MB after a fresh install, and 89MB in safe mode.

It's been so long since I've even toyed with nLite. If you can obtain Tiny XP and look at the session file located in "XP03\$OEM$\NLITE\Last Session.ini" file to see what was stripped from the original ISO. That strip down is known as "MicroXP" which has these system requirements.

• Hard Disk Space = 221 MB
• Running Processes = 16
• RAM Usage = 42.4 MB
• Services Started = 17

[Albatross]

I hope Windows 10 gives me reason to upgrade from 7. And that it is better than Windows 8/8.1. Otherwise, Windows 7 Pro for life I guess.

[jaggysnake57]

I would sadly be at work, so I won't be covering the event sadly. Maybe a 1-2 posts at best.

Although I'll probably watch it full live.

Windows 10 will be amazing, but as it's Microsoft, people will bash it. As always.

Let's play a game, What will be bashed?

Windows 10 new theme? DirectX 11.3/12? The new web browser (I bet you if you take Chrome, and all they do is change the name to Microsoft, people will say how it is the crummiest web browser)? Or go "Meh, only 1000 new features, not worth my money"

 

 

I assume you are a younger member, simply because you don't seem to be up to date on your Computing History. I apologize ahead of time if that assumption is incorrect.

 

However, the "OS greatness cycle", as you so eloquently put it... was never in effect.

 

Windows XP sucked on release. It fucking sucked hard. It was one of the worst OS's ever put out by Microsoft on release. It was incredibly slow, bogged down, had horrible driver support, and most importantly, it was a buggy piece of shit.

 

People have this weird "rose tinted glasses" thing with Windows XP - especially here on LTT. XP wasn't awesome until SP2 really, and it wasn't until SP3 that really solidified it as one of Microsoft's best OS's.

 

So can we please stop this false stereotype of "Good OS, Bad OS, Good OS, Bad OS"? It's simply not true.

 

Take Vista for example. (Almost) Everyone hates Vista. However, Vista SP2 is actually a great OS. All the major bugs were squashed, and it was made very stable by then. But people still trash-talk it to this day, despite the fact that it essentially mirrored Windows XP in terms of usability and bugs.

 

Weird, isn't it?

 

its funny how you you bitch about bashng MS then show that in 20 years they havent made a decent OS.....all with bugs and issuses that needed service packs.  maybe people are right to bash MS

[Opcode]

I hope Windows 10 gives me reason to upgrade from 7. And that it is better than Windows 8/8.1. Otherwise, Windows 7 Pro for life I guess.

There will be little to no reason for Windows 7 users to not make the transition to Windows 10. The classic start menu style makes its return and the OS is built on top of Windows 8.1 kernel which is far better than NT 6.1

 

[Albatross]

There will be little to no reason for Windows 7 users to not make the transition to Windows 10. The classic start menu style makes its return and the OS is built on top of Windows 8.1 kernel which is far better than NT 6.1

 

 

 

Can one remove that Metro bit at all? If so, I will convert from a rabid Win7 user.

[Opcode]

Can one remove that Metro bit at all? If so, I will convert from a rabid Win7 user.

The live tiles can all be unpinned.

 

[Albatross]

The live tiles can all be unpinned.

 

 

Well okay then! B)

 

If the price is right, I'm jumping. Of course, the program and game compatibility issues I experienced with Windows 8 shouldn't be there either, but I doubt it still exists.

[LAwLz]

Yes I agree. I know. I tend to get overly excited for actually all technology. Monitors (me and 4K monitors for example), new gaming console (any of them), big software that affects many, and more.

-snip-

Oh come on... Everyone knows that's a load of bullshit. It's okay to be excited for new stuff but you get REALLY excited as soon as it's anything related to Microsoft. How often do you hear someone call you a shill/fanboy for 4K monitors compared to how often you hear people say that about you being a Microsoft fanboy/shill?

It's not just that your posts regarding it sounds like they were taking straight from some PR material (because they really often do), but there are also small things like you never quote someone saying something bad about Microsoft, but you often quote people who say good things about it. I genuinely suspect that you have in a contract that you are not allowed to say bad things about Microsoft or their products, and that's why you don't quote people who do. I can't be the only one noticing this, right? Just look at his replies in this thread.

It has been the same when I have argued with him as well. When I say something bad I don't get quoted. It's just a response without any tagging or quoting so I have to guess which post he is responding to. If I say something positive I can be sure to get quoted though.

Then there is the constant downplaying of major issues. Anyone having an issue with Windows? It's the users fault, or it's actually not an issue, or it's a feature or whatever...

 

I am getting really sick and tired of it all.

 

 

 

Well okay then! B)

 

If the price is right, I'm jumping. Of course, the program and game compatibility issues I experienced with Windows 8 shouldn't be there either, but I doubt it still exists.

Yep it seems pretty good so far.

Prices are usually pretty low in the beginning and as far as I know they haven't changed anything driver related (like they introduced the new driver signing in Windows 8) so hopefully there won't be any compatibility issues either.

I'm more worried about Microsoft fucking up the GUI again (looks hideous in some "leaked" screenshots, seems mostly fine in the technical preview) or fuck up with a terrible DRM (constantly call back to Microsoft).

[Dabombinable]

Yep it seems pretty good so far.

Prices are usually pretty low in the beginning and as far as I know they haven't changed anything driver related (like they introduced the new driver signing in Windows 8) so hopefully there won't be any compatibility issues either.

I'm more worried about Microsoft fucking up the GUI again (looks hideous in some "leaked" screenshots, seems mostly fine in the technical preview) or fuck up with a terrible DRM (constantly call back to Microsoft).

I find that its actually well laid out, and it weirdly enough boots up faster on my 4200RPM SATA 1.5GBps HDD than win7.

[dalekphalm]

its funny how you you bitch about bashng MS then show that in 20 years they havent made a decent OS.....all with bugs and issuses that needed service packs.  maybe people are right to bash MS

No, you misunderstand me.

 

I "bitch", as you put it, about people falsely claiming that XP is some holy grail of an OS. XP was a great OS... in SP2 and SP3. Vista was a great OS, in SP2. Windows 7 was/is a great OS, since it's essentially Vista SP3.

 

If people want to "bash" Microsoft, then fine. But bash them for the right reasons. Don't cherry pick OS releases, or perpetuate the stupid bullshit (and factually false) stereotype of the "Good OS, Bad OS" cycle.

 

Windows 7 had an almost flawless release simply because it was mostly built upon Windows Vista. The main changes were GUI related, with some minor background tweaks. Windows 8 may have had a terrible release, but that was not due to any bugs or instability in the OS. Sure some people experienced some bugs (just like in every software release ever) - Windows 8's fail was because people hated the GUI. Otherwise Windows 8 was super solid, just as bug free as Windows 7 was on release.

 

If anything, it's clear that they are learning from their mistakes, both in design choices as well as bug testing. Each OS since XP has been less buggy on release (Yep, that's right, Vista was less buggy then XP was when comparing both releases). They tried something radical with Windows 8, and there was major backlash, so they've learned from that and are focusing on the more traditional desktop experience in Windows 10 (eg: Start Menu) while integrating the Live Tile improvements and all the backend improvements of Windows 8.

 

I mean, obviously you'll read into this in whatever way you'd like, just like you did with my other post (intentionally misinterpreting it to get across your seemingly anti MS agenda I guess?)

 

Microsoft fucks up from time to time. Sometimes REALLY BADLY, but at least bash them for the right reasons.

[cesrai]

I will be watching the event, should I make a topic and cover it or cover it here ?? I would like to make my topic @colonel_mortis @Whiskers

[LAwLz]

58 minutes left!

It has started!

[RH00D]

I will be watching the event, should I make a topic and cover it or cover it here ?? I would like to make my topic @colonel_mortis @Whiskers

 

If OP is active and will update his original post then we should consolidate everything here.

[jaggysnake57]

No, you misunderstand me.

 

I "bitch", as you put it, about people falsely claiming that XP is some holy grail of an OS. XP was a great OS... in SP2 and SP3. Vista was a great OS, in SP2. Windows 7 was/is a great OS, since it's essentially Vista SP3.

 

If people want to "bash" Microsoft, then fine. But bash them for the right reasons. Don't cherry pick OS releases, or perpetuate the stupid bullshit (and factually false) stereotype of the "Good OS, Bad OS" cycle.

 

Windows 7 had an almost flawless release simply because it was mostly built upon Windows Vista. The main changes were GUI related, with some minor background tweaks. Windows 8 may have had a terrible release, but that was not due to any bugs or instability in the OS. Sure some people experienced some bugs (just like in every software release ever) - Windows 8's fail was because people hated the GUI. Otherwise Windows 8 was super solid, just as bug free as Windows 7 was on release.

 

If anything, it's clear that they are learning from their mistakes, both in design choices as well as bug testing. Each OS since XP has been less buggy on release (Yep, that's right, Vista was less buggy then XP was when comparing both releases). They tried something radical with Windows 8, and there was major backlash, so they've learned from that and are focusing on the more traditional desktop experience in Windows 10 (eg: Start Menu) while integrating the Live Tile improvements and all the backend improvements of Windows 8.

 

I mean, obviously you'll read into this in whatever way you'd like, just like you did with my other post (intentionally misinterpreting it to get across your seemingly anti MS agenda I guess?)

 

Microsoft fucks up from time to time. Sometimes REALLY BADLY, but at least bash them for the right reasons.

 

yeah i was using your post as back up more than saying you bitch