Panasonic: Megapixel war will never end...6K/8K video by 2020

[Omon_Ra]

Interesting news out of Japan.. The source interview is in Japanese, which I don't understand and Google translate butchers it, so I can only go by m4/3's bullet points:

 

The Japanese site DC.watch interviewed Panasonic manager to talk about the present and future of photography.

– High Megapixel cameras are coming (from all manufacturers). Megapixel race will never go away says Panasonic
– Panasonic is working on 6K and 8K video recording. 8K will come before 2020 (Olympic year).
– The ultimate “dream” is to beat the human eye performance
– There is the potential to use pure electronic shutter only
– Micro Four Thirds is the perfect sensor size for Panasonic. But they not rule out to create a second larger sensor size system.
– A medium format camera from Panasonic is highly unlikely to happen 

 

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-interview-at-dc-watch-says-8k-is-coming-and-megapixel-race-continuing/

 

I would agree that the megapixel war will never end, though most consumers have come to realize that it doesn't matter all that much in practicality. I'd rather see a 'war' over dynamic range, color reproduction and light sensitivity, but higher resolutions can inherently help with that. 6K and 8K video recording is insane. Using that logic, by 2020, 4K/60fps video games should easily be the norm; or even laughable at it's 'poor' performance.

 

The part about 'beating human eye performance' is odd, because how would you ever know? Bionic eyes? Or do they mean as far as light sensitivity?

 

Having bought into the m4/3 system with a GH1 and a GH2 several years ago, I'm glad Panny is going to be sticking with it.

[Mitrailleuse]

i wantz all the pixels!

[minibois]

Higher resolutions is easier for consumers to understand. That's why they are more having a war about that.

[othertomperson]

...sure why not. 4K is only nearly retina at the distance I sit from the screen. And it's not like when you go beyond retina you lose anything. You might not gain anything, but you certainly don't lose it

[TroubleKlef]

Stat whores will love this sort of thing. 

[dizmo]

You can't really beat the human eye, as there is no direct way to tell how many mp the human eye can see.

The number 50mp has been floated around a bit but it's not entirely accurate.
It's just marketing speak. They have to have some reason to drive future sales, right?

[DuckDodgers]

When 10-bit 8K @ 120FPS becomes mainstream (on your free 2 year contract phone), all "wars" will be over.

[Simons]

Sure why not, it will only lower the price of all other dimensions, so please go for it!

But the only thing I can think of that makes it annoying is, will movies continue to record in 4k or go towards 10k?

[Valentyn]

When 10-bit 8K @ 120FPS becomes mainstream (on your free 2 year contract phone), all "wars" will be over.

 

Well in Japan they're starting some 8K 60hz & 120Hz broadcast next year, and are skipping 4K all together. They already demo'd 120hz 8K TV's as well.

 

http://www.nhk.or.jp/8k/index_e.html

 

[Omon_Ra]

Well in Japan they're starting some 8K 60hz & 120Hz broadcast next year, and are skipping 4K all together. They already demo'd 120hz 8K TV's as well.

 

http://www.nhk.or.jp/8k/index_e.html

 

 

Greatest thumbnail for a video ever.

[Norman_the_Owl]

You can't really beat the human eye, as there is no direct way to tell how many mp the human eye can see.

The number 50mp has been floated around a bit but it's not entirely accurate.

It's just marketing speak. They have to have some reason to drive future sales, right?

I was under the impression that the most we could really see was 12kx12k directly on our eye

[zanduh]

The report I read for CES said that it will be much less a pixel war this year and more about contrasts and brightness

[-TesseracT-]

When 10-bit 8K @ 120FPS becomes mainstream (on your free 2 year contract phone), all "wars" will be over.

120 fps is not the limit, it is not enough to eliminate all discernable artifacts related to motion.

[Tech_Dreamer]

wasn't there a giga pixel camera a long time ago? that fails in comparison to this..

[jos]

May be one for Olympics

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/268136-nhk-to-broadcast-2020-tokyo-olympics-in-8k/?fromsearch=1

[Inkz]

It still can be better for phone cameras, which moslty lack optical zoom. If they uses digital zoom, or you zoom in later a higher resolution will always help for that.

[Omon_Ra]

The report I read for CES said that it will be much less a pixel war this year and more about contrasts and brightness

 

Which is personally, what I would prefer; at least until hardware can catch up for usable UHD content. As far as production goes though, 6K and 8K is beneficial. Just look at how shooting 4K for a 1080p project is useful.

[Valentyn]

Greatest thumbnail for a video ever.

 

That's the face you make when experience 8K 120 fps on full OLED.

[Omon_Ra]

That's the face you make when experience 8K 120 fps on full OLED.

 

 

Along with the sound of, 'HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG'

 

I'm really interested to see how hardware will handle 8K projects; especially something like 8K CinemaDNG/RAW content.

[Valentyn]

Along with the sound of, 'HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG'

 

I'm really interested to see how hardware will handle 8K projects; especially something like 8K CinemaDNG/RAW content.

 

The main issue still in I/O, we're going to need some massive jumps in performance there to work with raw. It'll certainly be awhile before prosumers even get to play with it I say.

[Omon_Ra]

The main issue still in I/O, we're going to need some massive jumps in performance there to work with raw. It'll certainly be awhile before prosumers even get to play with it I say.

 

Yeah, that's what I mean; practically speaking, how will big studios and such handle that type of footage. I mean, we're all using more or less the same components. In addition to I/O bottlenecks, storage of the footage itself becomes an issue. 

[Master Disaster]

Won't happen that quickly, 4K is already to much for a BD disc, even a BDXL doesn't really cut it for a full 2 hour movie.

What's the alternative? Streaming is a no go with the way american ISPs are resisting fibre and I see no other way of distributing the media.

Optical media needs a huge revamp but that's problematic, every time you increase capacity you decrease read speed so going to far will result in a read stream rate which is lower than the movie bit rate.

[Xorbot]

I am a full 8K, ladies.  Most guys are just a lowly 4-5K.  And pathetically, some guys are only 2K! (tee hee hee).

[Plasma]

Won't happen that quickly, 4K is already to much for a BD disc, even a BDXL doesn't really cut it for a full 2 hour movie.

What's the alternative? Streaming is a no go with the way american ISPs are resisting fibre and I see no other way of distributing the media.

Optical media needs a huge revamp but that's problematic, every time you increase capacity you decrease read speed so going to far will result in a read stream rate which is lower than the movie bit rate.

movies sold on hdd

[SeriousDad69]

You cant tell the difference between 1080p and 4k unless you're less than 4 feet away from the screen lmao. I have a 40inch 1080p TV and I sit around 10-12 feet away from it and I cant tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
Honestly with how much of a slow jagged transition we're having between 1080p and 4k I doubt 6-8k will be mainstream for much, much longet than people realize.

Look at this photo and replace "CORES" with pixels and "AMD" with "Generic monitor maker #5"