(UK) legendary CPU for £130

[Jumper118]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-368-IN&groupid=595&catid=662  and something to cool it with http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-058-SV&groupid=595&catid=678

[MrSuperb]

imho not a good deal :huh:

[Paralectic]

Outdated platform and refurbished coolers, no thanks.

[Dude]

Ah yes, my first love. But no one makes Z77 motherboards anymore and if there are any, they're probably fucking expensive.

tl;dr 2500k fucks like a beast, but despite how cheap it is, it will probably be quite expensive to buy Z77.

[Enderman]

The price for that i5 is way too expensive.

I sold my 2500k for $125, and there are plenty of other 2500ks on the market for less than $150

 

Also those silverstone coolers have a ton of bad customer reviews from failing pumps.

[SeanBond]

That is overpriced and really just save your pennies. Wait for broadwell or skylake. Whatever is coming next. Haswell has been out over a year now and we are about to get 14nm. Get a new i5 with a cheap air cooler. Can't go wrong with air cooling/price to performance. 

[Jumper118]

people are so uneducated. its amazing.

[Jumper118]

Outdated platform and refurbished coolers, no thanks.

what does z97 have that z77 doesn't have which you use? for me its nothing, which is why i'm still using z77..........

Ah yes, my first love. But no one makes Z77 motherboards anymore and if there are any, they're probably fucking expensive.

tl;dr 2500k fucks like a beast, but despite how cheap it is, it will probably be quite expensive to buy Z77.

second hand boards are cheaper than new board. you can get a very high end z77 board for under £100.

The price for that i5 is way too expensive.

I sold my 2500k for $125, and there are plenty of other 2500ks on the market for less than $150

 

Also those silverstone coolers have a ton of bad customer reviews from failing pumps.

its not second hand though. it has a 90 day warranty.

[Archangel1994]

what does z97 have that z77 doesn't have which you use? for me its nothing, which is why i'm still using z77........

How about a new microarchitecture, M.2 SSD support, SATA express and support for broadwell?

 

 

second hand boards are cheaper than new board. you can get a very high end z77 board for under £100.

For under £100 I can get myself a good Z97 board and an I5-4690k which is better is almost every aspect except overclocking potential (Only the 4690k doesn't need a high OC to win over the 2500k)

 

 

its not second hand though. it has a 90 day warranty.

90-days is nothing. I have 3 years on my 4790k and you can be sure I prefer that over an OLDER generation CPU that has less warranty

 

people are so uneducated. its amazing.

We say that this is a waste of money because for a little over 30 more you can get a 4690k and you have an abundance of Z97 boards, you say it isn't. We have a difference of opinion and you call US uneducated?

 

You sir need to shut up about this question right now or change your stance before you really draw more negative attention

[Jumper118]

How about a new microarchitecture, M.2 SSD support, SATA express and support for broadwell?

 

 

For under £100 I can get myself a good Z97 board and an I5-4690k which is better is almost every aspect except overclocking potential (Only the 4690k doesn't need a high OC to win over the 2500k)

 

 

90-days is nothing. I have 3 years on my 4790k and you can be sure I prefer that over an OLDER generation CPU that has less warranty

 

We say that this is a waste of money because for a little over 30 more you can get a 4690k and you have an abundance of Z97 boards, you say it isn't. We have a difference of opinion and you call US uneducated?

 

You sir need to shut up about this question right now or change your stance before you really draw more negative attention

i dont know anyone who uses m.2 ssd's, there are no sata express drives at all so that is currently pointless. if a cpu is going to died, its going to go in the first week or so, unless you have a very high oc. a sub £100 z97 will be awful in comparison to a £100 z77 board. the i5 4690k runs hotter and scales worse, also its £45 more not £30 more. most of the 2500K's on ebay are £100-120, so £130 is good with a good warranty and service.

[Archangel1994]

i dont know anyone who uses m.2 ssd's, there are no sata express drives at all so that is currently pointless. if a cpu is going to died, its going to go in the first week or so, unless you have a very high oc. a sub £100 z97 will be awful in comparison to a £100 z77 board. the i5 4690k runs hotter and scales worse, also its £45 more not £30 more.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k - £37,50 more so eh, in the middle

 

Also for the rest of your points:

 

- You not knowing anyone that uses M.2 is 100% irrelevant. M.2 is used by a significant amount of people

- It's nice to have the SATA express available if you want to use it as soon as it comes out

- What are you basing this on? What makes it so that a CPU dies in the first week and not later? I've seen CPU's die in a few weeks, a few months, little over a year or more than 2 years later.

- Will be awful? A motherboard has just about ZERO influence on performance so how can it be a bad board? In my book a bad board is one that doesn't work (properly). You can put an MSI Z97 PC MATE up against an ASUS Z97 VII Formula and they will perform identically within margin of error so this is just a pointless argument

[Jumper118]

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k - £37,50 more so eh, in the middle

 

Also for the rest of your points:

 

- You not knowing anyone that uses M.2 is 100% irrelevant. M.2 is used by a significant amount of people

- It's nice to have the SATA express available if you want to use it as soon as it comes out

- What are you basing this on? What makes it so that a CPU dies in the first week and not later? I've seen CPU's die in a few weeks, a few months, little over a year or more than 2 years later.

- Will be awful? A motherboard has just about ZERO influence on performance so how can it be a bad board? In my book a bad board is one that doesn't work (properly). You can put an MSI Z97 PC MATE up against an ASUS Z97 VII Formula and they will perform identically within margin of error so this is just a pointless argument

who uses m.2? i never had a cpu die unless its been DOA. i have got 4 'grade b' cpu's and all of them still work after being overclocked higher than most people would go. an MSI 97 PC mate is a joke compared with a z77 up7, a motherboard makes a lot of difference.

[Archangel1994]

who uses m.2?

I know 2 people that do and I know Hatsune Miku would want one or two for raid

 

Edit: Well this is convenient http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/269530-pci-to-pci-bridge/ Someone who uses M.2

 

i never had a cpu die unless its been DOA

You making generic arguments that (It seems you imply this) apply to everyone/thing based on your very limited experience. I could say I have bought 1 CPU and it died quickly and then say it's a shit product. My statement would be 100% invalid and carry no weight whatsoever.

 

 

an MSI 97 PC mate is a joke compared with a z77 up7, a motherboard makes a lot of difference.

A lot of difference in what? In-game fps, makes no difference there. OC's? I've seen a 0.1GHz deviation AT MOST and now since Intel CPU's have on-board voltage regulators the power phase design is becoming largely irrelevant for CPUs.

 

Where does the motherboard make a lot of difference for performance in your view?

[TheSLSAMG]

Well this thread got hairy fast.

 

Let me just add that, to close the up-to-20% performance gap (clock to clock) between Sandy Bridge and Haswell, a 2500K would have to be overclocked to 5.64GHz to meet a 4690K at 4.7GHz. This is theoretical, not real world, but either way the 2500K is definitely older now and maybe is not so much of a deal. I have one, I like it. But for today, you should just buy into the new platform. It will perform as well, run as hot but run with lower power consumption and offer more onboard features (of which you cannot debate whether others use or not.)

[harrynowl]

The price for that i5 is way too expensive.

I sold my 2500k for $125, and there are plenty of other 2500ks on the market for less than $150

 

Also those silverstone coolers have a ton of bad customer reviews from failing pumps.

USD (assuming) and GBP aren't really comparable price:price. I got £200 for a 2600K earlier this year. 2500Ks still go for £120+ used on eBay. £120 is almost $200

[Archangel1994]

Well this thread got hairy fast.

Aside from that one statement not really

 

 

Let me just add that, to close the up-to-20% performance gap (clock to clock) between Sandy Bridge and Haswell, a 2500K would have to be overclocked to 5.64GHz to meet a 4690K at 4.7GHz.

Now this is what I always wanted to know. I know haswell was a huge leap over Sandy bridge but I didn't know the right numbers. THanks for this

[harrynowl]

Well this thread got hairy fast.

 

Let me just add that, to close the up-to-20% performance gap (clock to clock) between Sandy Bridge and Haswell, a 2500K would have to be overclocked to 5.64GHz to meet a 4690K at 4.7GHz. This is theoretical, not real world, but either way the 2500K is old and this is not really a deal. I have one, I like it. But for today, you should just buy into the new platform. It will perform as well, run as hot but run with lower power consumption and offer more onboard features (of which you cannot debate whether others use or not.)

true, but I see this good for a gamer on a tighter budget, i5 4460 price, and on ebay uk you can get manufacturer refurbished z77 boards for about 1/3rd of their retail price, plus sandy overclocking is just nice

 

although depending on task it can be closer to 10%

 

I know my 2600k gave most 4770ks a good run for their money

[Jumper118]

I know 2 people that do and I know Hatsune Miku would want one or two for raid

 

 

You making generic arguments that (It seems you imply this) apply to everyone/thing based on your very limited experience. I could say I have bought 1 CPU and it died quickly and then say it's a shit product. My statement would be 100% invalid and carry no weight whatsoever.

 

 

A lot of difference in what? In-game fps, makes no difference there. OC's? I've seen a 0.1GHz deviation AT MOST and now since Intel CPU's have on-board voltage regulators the power phase design is becoming largely irrelevant for CPUs.

 

Where does the motherboard make a lot of difference for performance in your view?

ProKoNs z87 ud5h is dead.......... i dont think a z97 PC mate would have lasted as long as that. a board with a proper VRM is the difference between things dying and things keeping going, mainly because of ripple.

 

All your arguments are invalid, as you don't live in the UK anyway, so it would make no sense to buy this cpu. if i went on all the US deal threads and said its not a good deal, because i can get it cheaper in the the UK........ that doesn't really contributed anything. 

[Archangel1994]

ProKoNs z87 ud5h is dead.......... i dont think a z97 PC mate would have lasted as long as that. a board with a proper VRM is the difference between things dying and things keeping going, mainly because of ripple.

Something tells me he pushed that thing to its absolute limits which is an extreme case and should not be used as a reference

 

Even for your average-high OC the MSI Z97 PC MATE is sufficient.

[TheSLSAMG]

ProKoNs z87 ud5h is dead

One motherboard, also probably still in warranty. Not really conclusive on the quality of all or even some Z87/Z97 motherboards

 

I dont think a z97 PC mate would have lasted as long as that. a board with a proper VRM is the difference between things dying and things keeping going, mainly because of ripple.

In what situation? Maybe for high-overclocking, sure, but the board will be fine for mild OC. I still don't like it, but it's not that bad.

[harrynowl]

ProKoNs z87 ud5h is dead.......... i dont think a z97 PC mate would have lasted as long as that. a board with a proper VRM is the difference between things dying and things keeping going, mainly because of ripple.

admittedly prokon ran 1.7v+ on that thing and it saw -20c a few times

[Jumper118]

admittedly prokon ran 1.7v+ on that thing and it saw -20c a few times

i know. i've seen a fair few x79 boards go as well. a couple of ud3 and many people have killed msi mpowers with 3770K's at high voltage  . 

[harrynowl]

i know. i've seen a fair few x79 boards go as well. a couple of ud3 and many people have killed msi mpowers with 3770K's at high voltage  . 

not really a fair example though

 

my 5600k went pop, at ~1.9v, doesn't mean they're gonna be dying left/right and centre for overclockers

[DildorTheDecent]

A lot of difference in what? In-game fps, makes no difference there. OC's? I've seen a 0.1GHz deviation AT MOST and now since Intel CPU's have on-board voltage regulators the power phase design is becoming largely irrelevant for CPUs.

 

Where does the motherboard make a lot of difference for performance in your view?

Overclocking. Compare my board to my old, shit, ASUS P8Z77V-LX to my newer, better Z77X-UP7 and you'll easily see the UP7 supporting a 3570K/3770K up to and exceeding 4.9-5.0GHz. 

 

CPUs with on die voltage regulators have indeed made the insanely expensive, powerful boards like mine extinct. Which is quite saddening. That means that hitting the high numbers is pretty much fair game to anyone. 

[flibberdipper]

The CPU is amazing. But... I'd still get a ridiculously overdone AIO for it.