Fnatic forfeits match with LDLC

[Mainfold]

 

There is completely nothing stopping LDLC from buying an AWP and sniping olofmeister down from the same places that olofmeister could shoot them. You know how a normal mirror works? If they can see you, you can see them too. This applies in CS as well.

 

 

Ehm, didn't you see him shooting between glitched no-clip-gaps on the map? So he could see their silhouettes but they had no way to see him.

 

Other than that, some of the spots were "fairly" open, but the spots that mattered were STILL spots that broke multiple rules, not just the pixel-walking rules. They're still not allowed to utilize no-clip glitched sections of the map, that SHOULD have clip. 

[ZetZet]

Nice god spot you have there, i think i made my point.

LDLC realised it too late, that's their own problem.

Yes. The players in this were 50 times worse than in the actual match. When LDLC tried to do this in one of the later rounds they got killed. You can only see the top of the head of the player in the actual spot and it gives waaay too much info.

And even then the spot is illegal in two ways, you can see through textures and you are pixel boosting

[Jerakl]

It's an eSports team IIRC

 

I don't know why, some people said they are cheating or something.

They were using an exploit AFAIK.

[Jerakl]

I don't agree with this.

 

The spot didn't look illegal at all, honestly, it's one of those things that happen with knowledge of the map, much like other boost spots in Dust 2, Inferno and even Nuke. Overpass was a new map, fnatic found out about the boost spot ahead of competition and utilised it to it's full potential. What's wrong with that?

 

It does not quality as pixel-walking since the player's feet does make contact with the ledge when the model is facing the right direction. Pixel walking is more like in de_train's infamous ladder wallrun glitch where you are really running on air.

It literally says in the rules of Dreamhack not to do that. Someone else had an image of it, I forget who.

[ZetZet]

It literally says in the rules of Dreamhack not to do that. Someone else had an image of it, I forget who.

 

They were using an exploit AFAIK.

Yes. The rules in cs were always like this because all versions of the game had those bugs. You could plant bombs in boxes, drop bombs outside the map, walk on top of the map and such. And if you found one you did get punished by admins if you used it before, that's why there are general rules against those bugs.

[TOMPPIX]

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the evidence is right in front of our eyes and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING

[Hydra]

#BoostGate

 

[Norman_the_Owl]

Wait, what happened?

 

I  need some moar info yo

You know how in a bunch of source engine games you can get into places you're not supposed to be able to?

 

Yea, that's illegal in professional tournaments, and fnatic used one of those places to win.

[Master Disaster]

OK, so its a little off topic but have you guys seen the gifs of Flusha & Olef? Just looked through them and while most of the are really subtle and borderline might be/might not be one of them is so damming for Flusha.

http://gfycat.com/PoisedEssentialAllensbigearedbat#

See how it trails the enemy exactly for a few footsteps through the wall. Just in case you haven't seen em here's the full list anyway

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flusha2a: http://gfycat.com/PessimisticGiftedConure <3c0Nz

flusha2b: http://gfycat.com/FlashyUnimportantAbyssiniancat <3c0Nz

flusha2c: http://gfycat.com/RashIllHerring#?speed=0.5 <3c0Nz

flusha2d: http://gfycat.com/MixedExemplaryGemsbuck#?speed=2 <3c0Nz

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olofm2a: http://gfycat.com/ImpracticalShadyFrillneckedlizard

olofm2b: http://gfycat.com/NarrowDefenselessBeauceron

olofm2c: http://gfycat.com/WigglyMisguidedHadrosaurus#?speed=0.5

olofm2d: http://oi60.tinypic.com/2u4o6yw.jpg

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flusha3a: http://gfycat.com/ElderlyRemoteDugong <3c0Nz

flusha3b: http://gfycat.com/PoisedEssentialAllensbigearedbat <3c0Nz

flusha3c: http://gfycat.com/DangerousAngryEgg#?speed=0.75 <3c0Nz

flusha3d: http://gfycat.com/ElegantInnocentBluemorphobutterfly <3c0Nz

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flusha1a: http://gfycat.com/TeemingWillingFairybluebird <3pLH

flusha1b: http://gfycat.com/DirectRemorsefulArgusfish <3Vision-

olofmeister1: http://gfycat.com/CourteousComposedBlackbird

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[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Wait, what happened?

I need some moar info yo

They did pixel walkiing. Standing on a part of the map that acts as an object but is invisible.

[Victorious Secret]

Cheating degrades any sport it occurs in, regardless of being a real sport, e-sport, or anything else. How can you expect people to give you any credibility when you're on this kind of bullshit? Cheating is a dark stain that ruins trust people might have. 

Also, its pathetic that they are cheating at a game. Come on, how sad in life do you need to be to cheat at a goddamn game? Its practice. Its always practice. Gaming is no exception to the rule of practicing to get better and becoming the best. What a bunch of idiots. 

[Lord Baal]

So the game won't be played and LDLC just won?

This would be the very definition of forfeit so I don't understand the confusion 

[Faruko]

Please do take note that cheating and bad sportsmanship are not the same. However, in this case I would say this is closer to an exploit rather than a cheat.

Cheating involves modified game files whereas exploits involve taking advantage of bugged game mechanics and map designs.

In the context of pixel walking, I'd have to say that's an exploit and not a cheat. Exploits however, do go under the bad sportsmanship category and thus they should have been disqualified for it.

I'm not saying that disqualification is the right thing to do but if I was the organizer that's what I'd do.

[Faruko]

i have posted this link before and i'm going to post it again http://www.hltv.org/forum/684463-flusha-busted

the evidence is right in front of our eyes and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING

Tomppix, I fail to see where you are going with this post. You posted a dead link and all I can see in this video, as well as the actual game that I watched, there was no evidence of cheating or otherwise found against this player. You may want to edit your post to provide proper evidence rather than just some hollow accusations with no proof

[Lord Baal]

Please do take note that cheating and bad sportsmanship are not the same. However, in this case I would say this is closer to an exploit rather than a cheat. Cheating involves modified game files whereas exploits involve taking advantage of bugged game mechanics and map designs. In the context of pixel walking, I'd have to say that's an exploit and not a cheat. Exploits however, do go under the bad sportsmanship category and thus they should have been disqualified for it. I'm not saying that disqualification is the right thing to do but if I was the organizer that's what I'd do.

You can cheat without modified game files cheating is doing anything that breaches the rules of the competition so exploits can well be considered cheating at times.

[Monarch]

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http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2nqrm2/honorless_fnatic/

[Sidiox]

Tomppix, I fail to see where you are going with this post. You posted a dead link and all I can see in this video, as well as the actual game that I watched, there was no evidence of cheating or otherwise found against this player. You may want to edit your post to provide proper evidence rather than just some hollow accusations with no proof

Did you even watch the vid? He pulls off a couple of awp shots straight through the smoke, and not on normal spots.....

Some kills, especially in the start weren't that bad, but others were really obvious.

[NICKT]

As little as I know about any of this, I'm still willing and hoping that people in part do put some fault towards map design.

I mean, if it's there, it's there. Badsportsmanship, illegal, exploit, hack, in the end it was still a part of the map.

[theKumba]

This would be the very definition of forfeit so I don't understand the confusion 

First time I read it. Also dict.cc had lots of confusing translations for that word.

[TOMPPIX]

Tomppix, I fail to see where you are going with this post. You posted a dead link and all I can see in this video, as well as the actual game that I watched, there was no evidence of cheating or otherwise found against this player. You may want to edit your post to provide proper evidence rather than just some hollow accusations with no proof

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http://gfycat.com/PerfumedIllfatedBats

https://gfycat.com/WellwornReadyChameleon

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[SamNabz]

Did anybody else watch the group stage match between NiP and LDLC (28/11)? LDLC did something very similar; however, they just boosted SMITHZZ + jumped instead of sitting on the invisible ledge. Whilst they could only really see/shoot at the pipes, they were actually able to get an overall view of the map when jumping.

 

See here (6:40 mark):

 

So I'm very surprised that LDLC got so emotional over this when they 'sort of' know that general area/boost is a so-called "God spot".

[Mooshi]

Stuff like this is why I will never considering being good at a video game a "sport" of any sort. There are cheaters in real sports as well, but you'd never catch a player standing on thin air to get a cheap victory.

 

Still, gamers should have better sportsmanship regardless and if anything, that map should have been barred from the start. If others clearly knew there were issues with this map to the point of asking pro gamers to assist, then that is a fail on their end for allowing it in a competition anyway.

[Blue fellow]

Stuff like this is why I will never considering being good at a video game a "sport" of any sort. There are cheaters in real sports as well, but you'd never catch a player standing on thin air to get a cheap victory.

 

Still, gamers should have better sportsmanship regardless and if anything, that map should have been barred from the start. If others clearly knew there were issues with this map to the point of asking pro gamers to assist, then that is a fail on their end for allowing it in a competition anyway.

 

What about players intentionally trying to injure specific body parts? Or faking injuries? Or crashing an opponents car to win a championship?

 

Also the map should not have been barred. Dust2, Inferno, etc have all had their fatal glitches at some point. This is why tournament organizers put in rules to outlaw the use of these glitches. The problem in this case was that the Dreamhack admins did not immediately pause the game and investigate if this glitch was legal or not. It was clearly something never seen before and it clearly unbalances the map warranting this immediate investigation.

[frostin1990]

I was shocked how the people/commentators at dreamhack were just laughing when Fnatic was literally cheating live!

[OlekKing]

I was shocked how the people/commentators at dreamhack were just laughing when Fnatic was literally cheating live!

Wouldn't call it cheating to be honest. This is more of a responsibility of Valve and their game designers and programmers, it's sad that these kinds of glitches still persist, sometimes even on map remakes, maps that have existed for nearly 2 decades now...

These guys are in it for the money, when that kind of prize is on the line, you do whatever it takes.

You can cry on how it's not nice of them, but at the end they just want to take the prize home, they don't give a damn.