Denuvo DRM DESTROYS SSD

[Syntaxvgm]

@DeViLzzz

At my university, the internet is literally faster than my HDD can write.

[Victorious Secret]

So on a gmaing rig you don't ever

-load maps

-browse the internet

-boot the computer

-use windows

-copy files

-record gameplay (you do know recording 60fps gameplay is damn near impossible on a mechanical drive with something like fraps)

-appreciate drives that are less likely to fail

Ok

 

 

My last laptop, a 17" MBP, I had a 480GB SSD and a 256GB SSD and I figured why the hell not, lets see what I can do in RAID 0. It was freakishly fast in general tasks like loading up my Lightroom library or manipulating 1GB+ PSD files, copying anything or even being used as a scratch disk while FCP was running on the SAME SSD. It was nuts. My current laptop is only a single SSD, PCIe, and its still spectacularly fast for general stuff much less anything related to gaming. 

It is cost prohibitive for many however. I have a 512GB drive in my current laptop with the older 480GB SSD in a external enclosure for a on the go scratch disk/media storage. Yes, I use it as media storage cause I only need ~250GB of it as scratch disk when I use FCP on the go, the rest of the time its just there doing nothing. Might as well get something out of it. 

 

SSDs are much more than just gaming, but people like Devil are narrow-minded and only seem to think in terms that relate to gaming. Its quite sad, really. He is trolling for the sake of trolling. The only genuine argument against SSDs right now is cost. They are not cheap for speeds and capacities that most people are used to, not yet. But soon enough. 

 

 

Oh, here is a fun fact. 5400rpm drives actually bottleneck in high bitrate video playback! Even my 1TB 7200rpm Seagate drive I had would occasionally cause VLC to stutter when playing back 1080p rips (not even BD50 files mind you). So there is an argument that if you're doing a lot of raw BR rips or engaging in 4K content consumption and creation, you either need some very fast platters in RAID or you need to get into SSDs so that your programs aren't waiting for your HDD to finish its work. There is another reason why some pro grade cameras straight up take SSDs internally, they need that kind of speed just to keep data flowing and not cause bottlenecks. 

But hey, Devil wants to be narrow minded. 

[Syntaxvgm]

My last laptop, a 17" MBP, I had a 480GB SSD and a 256GB SSD and I figured why the hell not, lets see what I can do in RAID 0. It was freakishly fast in general tasks like loading up my Lightroom library or manipulating 1GB+ PSD files, copying anything or even being used as a scratch disk while FCP was running on the SAME SSD. It was nuts. My current laptop is only a single SSD, PCIe, and its still spectacularly fast for general stuff much less anything related to gaming. 

It is cost prohibitive for many however. I have a 512GB drive in my current laptop with the older 480GB SSD in a external enclosure for a on the go scratch disk/media storage. Yes, I use it as media storage cause I only need ~250GB of it as scratch disk when I use FCP on the go, the rest of the time its just there doing nothing. Might as well get something out of it. 

 

SSDs are much more than just gaming, but people like Devil are narrow-minded and only seem to think in terms that relate to gaming. Its quite sad, really. He is trolling for the sake of trolling. The only genuine argument against SSDs right now is cost. They are not cheap for speeds and capacities that most people are used to, not yet. But soon enough.

Exactly. I have a laptop with an SSD that has a dual core cpu and a crappy old gpu and I prefer using it over my dual gpu laptop and my desktop sometimes because I have an SSD in it. It's that much better.

And of course it's cost related. On a low end or budget build, of course not. But on any medium to high end system for 60$ at 120GB, no reason not to.

[Trik'Stari]

My last laptop, a 17" MBP, I had a 480GB SSD and a 256GB SSD and I figured why the hell not, lets see what I can do in RAID 0. It was freakishly fast in general tasks like loading up my Lightroom library or manipulating 1GB+ PSD files, copying anything or even being used as a scratch disk while FCP was running on the SAME SSD. It was nuts. My current laptop is only a single SSD, PCIe, and its still spectacularly fast for general stuff much less anything related to gaming. 

It is cost prohibitive for many however. I have a 512GB drive in my current laptop with the older 480GB SSD in a external enclosure for a on the go scratch disk/media storage. Yes, I use it as media storage cause I only need ~250GB of it as scratch disk when I use FCP on the go, the rest of the time its just there doing nothing. Might as well get something out of it. 

 

SSDs are much more than just gaming, but people like Devil are narrow-minded and only seem to think in terms that relate to gaming. Its quite sad, really. He is trolling for the sake of trolling. The only genuine argument against SSDs right now is cost. They are not cheap for speeds and capacities that most people are used to, not yet. But soon enough. 

Ahh, another one of those rare occasions when we agree. An SSD is great for small form factor builds since the only thing you really need to mount it is duck tape "I'll put this....here" *sticks it the first place it fits*

 

By the time your PC finally managed to enter an instance, the SSD players will be halfway to the first boss or bored to death waiting for your slow ass.

I've done this I don't know how many times.

[Octagoncow]

.. or you could just use a hard drive?

Why should I have to deal with slower loading times because of a game's DRM which harms the people who bought the game legally? Either way my only HDD is 320GB which is fairly full. My next build next year won't even have a hard drive since I want to have a completely silent build at idle.

 

Reading some of your other replies, I understand you saying that SSDs don't make a huge difference with gaming, but to me they make enough of a difference for me to prefer them. Bottom line since I'm not really arguing HDDs vs SSDs for gaming; I just don't like how the game is harming consumers who legally purchased the game and unknowingly installed it on an SSD.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just try recording 60 FPS gameplay without something like shadowplay. Unless you are killing your performance by live compression, you'll be unable to do so with a mechanical hard drive. Either way you'll cry every time.

[Victorious Secret]

Exactly. I have a laptop with an SSD that has a dual core cpu and a crappy old gpu and I prefer using it over my dual gpu laptop and my desktop sometimes because I have an SSD in it. It's that much better.

And of course it's cost related. On a low end or budget build, of course not. But on any medium to high end system for 60$ at 120GB, no reason not to.

 

On a sub 500 dollar build? A SSD can be a upgrade down the line. But if you're encroaching on 1k, a SSD is a sage thing to buy these days anyways. 256GB drive + TB or 2 in general storage, hell I lean towards RED Drives these days just for sheer storage purposes. 

 

Arguing against SSDs is like...arguing against the advent of electric cars. Yes, they aren't cost friendly now nor are they mass market material. But whats there is very good, its better in every way, and the costs keep dropping on a yearly basis. The only people truly against it are, and I use this term with no real respect given, idiots who don't like positive change and think certain things are niche products only. 

 

[Syntaxvgm]

On a sub 500 dollar build? A SSD can be a upgrade down the line. But if you're encroaching on 1k, a SSD is a sage thing to buy these days anyways. 256GB drive + TB or 2 in general storage, hell I lean towards RED Drives these days just for sheer storage purposes. 

 

Arguing against SSDs is like...arguing against the advent of electric cars. Yes, they aren't cost friendly now nor are they mass market material. But whats there is very good, its better in every way, and the costs keep dropping on a yearly basis. The only people truly against it are, and I use this term with no real respect given, idiots who don't like positive change and think certain things are niche products only.

"I like to kill my whole user experience of my high end computer to save 60$, which is the cost of one new game" is basically the anti-ssd argument

Hell I don't even load games onto my SSDs when I have them in my gaming systems but I prefer the experience by far

[Syntaxvgm]

Oh, here is a fun fact. 5400rpm drives actually bottleneck in high bitrate video playback! Even my 1TB 7200rpm Seagate drive I had would occasionally cause VLC to stutter when playing back 1080p rips (not even BD50 files mind you). So there is an argument that if you're doing a lot of raw BR rips or engaging in 4K content consumption and creation, you either need some very fast platters in RAID or you need to get into SSDs so that your programs aren't waiting for your HDD to finish its work. There is another reason why some pro grade cameras straight up take SSDs internally, they need that kind of speed just to keep data flowing and not cause bottlenecks. 

But hey, Devil wants to be narrow minded.

I have a 7200 rpm drive in my desktop and I can't even play raw 768p 60fps video from after effects.

I see some stuttering on some playback formats with compressed video at 1080p and up with h.264 in some cases even

This kinda shit is not dependent on initial write times and random writes and whatnot, purely data rate. This is why video editors used to use HDDs in raid 0. It's not just massive file sizes, but the bit rate. I used to run multiple 7200rpm 80gb hard drives in raid 0 even though I had larger drives and that increased my chances of failure for that volume just so I could play back raw video

I mean for fucks sake an SSD even helps you load file thumbnails faster what disadvantage is there?

[FatalityDiablo]

lol, all i know is witcher 3 will be drm free and that is why all of you should buy this game, if not for that reason, then just for the sake of supporting a video game company (cd projekt red) that fucking values their costumers - it kinda is the only one, now that i think about it

[Syntaxvgm]

lol, all i know is witcher 3 will be drm free and that is why all of you should buy this game, if not for that reason, then just for the sake of supporting a video game company (cd projekt red) that fucking values their costumers - it kinda is the only one, now that i think about it

Yah know I've never played witcher.

I keep hearing about it. Should give it a look.

[DeViLzzz]

My last laptop, a 17" MBP, I had a 480GB SSD and a 256GB SSD and I figured why the hell not, lets see what I can do in RAID 0. It was freakishly fast in general tasks like loading up my Lightroom library or manipulating 1GB+ PSD files, copying anything or even being used as a scratch disk while FCP was running on the SAME SSD. It was nuts. My current laptop is only a single SSD, PCIe, and its still spectacularly fast for general stuff much less anything related to gaming. 

It is cost prohibitive for many however. I have a 512GB drive in my current laptop with the older 480GB SSD in a external enclosure for a on the go scratch disk/media storage. Yes, I use it as media storage cause I only need ~250GB of it as scratch disk when I use FCP on the go, the rest of the time its just there doing nothing. Might as well get something out of it. 

 

SSDs are much more than just gaming, but people like Devil are narrow-minded and only seem to think in terms that relate to gaming. Its quite sad, really. He is trolling for the sake of trolling. The only genuine argument against SSDs right now is cost. They are not cheap for speeds and capacities that most people are used to, not yet. But soon enough. 

 

 

Oh, here is a fun fact. 5400rpm drives actually bottleneck in high bitrate video playback! Even my 1TB 7200rpm Seagate drive I had would occasionally cause VLC to stutter when playing back 1080p rips (not even BD50 files mind you). So there is an argument that if you're doing a lot of raw BR rips or engaging in 4K content consumption and creation, you either need some very fast platters in RAID or you need to get into SSDs so that your programs aren't waiting for your HDD to finish its work. There is another reason why some pro grade cameras straight up take SSDs internally, they need that kind of speed just to keep data flowing and not cause bottlenecks. 

But hey, Devil wants to be narrow minded. 

Well get a clue.  This thread was about gaming with an SSD.  

[Syntaxvgm]

So on a gaming rig you don't ever

-load maps

-browse the internet

-boot the computer

-use windows

-copy files

-record gameplay (you do know recording 60fps gameplay is damn near impossible on a mechanical drive with something like fraps, right?)

-appreciate drives that are less likely to fail

Ok

 

LOL. Really? This is the best you can do?

 

Well get a clue.  This thread was about gaming with an SSD.

[Lord Baal]

Simpler solution is to use a hard drive.

I don't have any regular hard drives in my machine... 17tb+ and no regular hard drives lol

[Victorious Secret]

Well get a clue.  This thread was about gaming with an SSD.  

 

I'm amazed that someone with a kid can be so stubborn and narrow minded, I hope you don't impart that level of critical thinking upon your progeny...So if this thread was about general use and SSD degradation, would you change your tune and say SSDs are fine for general use? 

[Syntaxvgm]

I'm amazed that someone with a kid can be so stubborn and narrow minded, I hope you don't impart that level of critical thinking upon your progeny...So if this thread was about general use and SSD degradation, would you change your tune and say SSDs are fine for general use?

Well, I do say until this thread (though I didn't really pay attention to him that much) I considered his tech expertise respectable.

@DeViLzzz

Since you just said "is that all you can do", how about you give reasons HDDs are better, or you shouldn't use SSDs in a gaming PC. Cost and capacity will be the only valid answers I bet you'll give

[Pomfinator]

lol, all i know is witcher 3 will be drm free and that is why all of you should buy this game, if not for that reason, then just for the sake of supporting a video game company (cd projekt red) that fucking values their costumers - it kinda is the only one, now that i think about it

Well...first it needs to be a good game...

[thewhitestig]

So at the end, did this end up to be true or not? 

[Derangel]

So at the end, did this end up to be true or not? 

 

There does not appear to be enough evidence to say it's true.

[Syntaxvgm]

So at the end, did this end up to be true or not?

Ah who knows. I see both confirmations and others that say this doesn't happen. I think it's an issue, and it's not intneded to happen, and likely happens to the minority of players for some reason. Maybe itll get fixed. idk

[Derangel]

Ah who knows. I see both confirmations and others that say this doesn't happen. I think it's an issue, and it's not intneded to happen, and likely happens to the minority of players for some reason. Maybe itll get fixed. idk

 

The problem is there can be dozens potentially hundreds of reasons for it happen and it might not be at all related to Denuvo. If it was a problem with the DRM itself you'd think it would be a lot more widespread than a few random reports here and there.

[thewhitestig]

Ah who knows. I see both confirmations and others that say this doesn't happen. I think it's an issue, and it's not intneded to happen, and likely happens to the minority of players for some reason. Maybe itll get fixed. idk

I seriously hope Battlefield: Hardline does not use it. Or if it does, they figure out a way to get around that wearing out the storage problem, because If that technology proves successful I'm sure EA will implement it in all of their future games. Battlefield: Hardline, Star Wars: Battlefront, Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, the new BioWare IP etc. And those are all games I wanna play. But I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice a hard drive.

[Syntaxvgm]

I seriously hope Battlefield: Hardline does not use it. Or if it does, they figure out a way to get around that wearing out the storage problem, because If that technology proves successful I'm sure EA will implement it in all of their future games. Battlefield: Hardline, Star Wars: Battlefront, Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, the new BioWare IP etc. And those are all games I wanna play. But I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice a hard drive.

I would light my computer on fire if it meant I could play mirrors edge 2 first. 

[Derangel]

I seriously hope Battlefield: Hardline does not use it. Or if it does, they figure out a way to get around that wearing out the storage problem, because If that technology proves successful I'm sure EA will implement it in all of their future games. Battlefield: Hardline, Star Wars: Battlefront, Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, the new BioWare IP etc. And those are all games I wanna play. But I'm not sure I'm willing to sacrifice a hard drive.

 

Considering how few people have an issue I wouldn't worry about it. I have DA: Inq on my SSD and I'm not at all worried about Denuvo causing problems. Like many things on the internet right now it's a whole lot of noise for something that may not even be related to thing people are fussing about.

[Syntaxvgm]

Considering how few people have an issue I wouldn't worry about it. I have DA: Inq on my SSD and I'm not at all worried about Denuvo causing problems. Like many things on the internet right now it's a whole lot of noise for something that may not even be related to thing people are fussing about.

I would really like to be able to replicate this myself somehow. I actually might be able to find the real reason. I have a feeling it has something to do with the authentication process timing out or something idk, but I'm not 100% sure on how Denuvo works, as I've not taken a look at i.