Posted June 14, 2014 Some bad news about DDR4, we hope they can lower the CAS but seems like a no. Information: source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8167/computex-2014-geil-shows-ddr4-with-suggested-cas-latencies One of the big launches this year will be the Haswell-E platform. It is pretty much common knowledge in hardware discussions that this means Haswell-E, X99 and DDR4 will effectively launch to the consumer on the same day. One element of that link that we have the fewest leaks and information from is the DRAM side. I explicitly asked the DRAM manufacturers I have most contact with if they would be showing any DDR4 – either modules, specifications or in action. Many of them obliged – it helps that a fair number also make SSDs and so Kristian was able to get a few snapshots. But talking to GeIL at Computex also revealed something a little more interesting: CAS Latencies. Memory, as I attempt to convey in reviews, is more than just the frequency stated. There are several sets of subtimings associated with the memory, often divided up into primary subtimings, secondary and tertiary. The primary ones are the most important, and arguably one of the most important of those is called the CAS Latency, or CL for short. Memory is usually quoted as a combination of frequency and CL, and in the past it has been easy to compare kits by comparing the results of Frequency divided by CL, such that the kit with the higher result is often the better performing. Moving from DDR3 to DDR4 means a move from 280-pin to 288-pin connections. The layout of the modules is slightly different, with the pins being different lengths (notice in the image above how the pins in the middle are longer than those at the edge) in order to help installing memory. Voltage moves down from 1.5 V to 1.2 V, and processors are expected to support DDR4-2133 by default. Most manufacturers on the Computex show floor were coy with what sub-timings they will aim for their modules, whereas GeIL had a handy list: So when GeIL offers below 2133 MHz, I am a little taken aback, because their answer is ‘because some people will use it’. I hope that the reason they will use it is because the processor will not support above 1600 MHz. But this list gives that clear indication of CAS Latency between 1600 Mhz and 2400 MHz, with indications that 2666 MHz and 3200 MHz might be more common than we think. CAS Latency for DDR4 does seem a little down compared to DDR3, though this might be due to the initial batches of ICs coming through. I remember 2133 C11 being the first 2133 MHz DRAM off of the shelf, but now we can buy 2133 C8 very easily. [spoiler= Dream machine (There is also a buildlog)] Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe - CPU: I7 5820k @4.4 ghz 1.225vcore - GPU: 2x Asus GTX 970 Strix edition - Mainboard: Asus X99-S - RAM: HyperX predator 4x4 2133 mhz - HDD: Seagate barracuda 2 TB 7200 rpm - SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD - PSU: Corsair HX1000i - Case fans: 3x Noctua PPC 140mm - Radiator fans: 3x Noctua PPC 120 mm - CPU cooler: Fractal design Kelvin S36 together with Noctua PPCs - Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Cherry gaming keyboard - mouse: Steelseries sensei raw - Headset: Kingston HyperX Cloud - Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Yeah, I kind of already figured that, but still X99 FTW My Sig Rig: "X79 (3970X) -Midas"http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wsjGt6" "Midas" Build Log - https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/59768-build-log-in-progress-code-name-midas/ "The Riddler" Custom Watercooled H440 Build Log ( in collaboration with my wife @ _TechPuppet_ ) - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/149652-green-h440-special-edition-the-riddler-almost-there/ *Riptide Customs* " We sleeve PSU cables " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted June 14, 2014 DDR3 FTW. Le Bastardo+ i7 4770k + OCUK Fathom HW labs Black Ice 240 rad + Mayhem's Gigachew orange + 16GB Avexir Core Orange 2133 + Gigachew GA-Z87X-OC + 2x Gigachew WF 780Ti SLi + SoundBlaster Z + 1TB Crucial M550 + 2TB Seagate Barracude 7200rpm + LG BDR/DVDR + Superflower Leadex 1KW Platinum + NZXT Switch 810 Gun Metal + Dell U2713H + Logitech G602 + Ducky DK-9008 Shine 3 MX Brown Red Alert FX 8320 AMD = Noctua NHU12P = 8GB Avexir Blitz 2000 = ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 = Sapphire Radeon R9 290 TRI-X = 1TB Hitachi Deskstar & 500GB Hitachi Deskstar = Samsung DVDR/CDR = SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold = Xigmatek Utguard = AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 = Logitech G110 = SteelSeries Sensei RAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Author Yeah, I kind of already figured that, but still X99 FTW X99 for the win! [spoiler= Dream machine (There is also a buildlog)] Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe - CPU: I7 5820k @4.4 ghz 1.225vcore - GPU: 2x Asus GTX 970 Strix edition - Mainboard: Asus X99-S - RAM: HyperX predator 4x4 2133 mhz - HDD: Seagate barracuda 2 TB 7200 rpm - SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD - PSU: Corsair HX1000i - Case fans: 3x Noctua PPC 140mm - Radiator fans: 3x Noctua PPC 120 mm - CPU cooler: Fractal design Kelvin S36 together with Noctua PPCs - Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Cherry gaming keyboard - mouse: Steelseries sensei raw - Headset: Kingston HyperX Cloud - Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Everybody already knew the CL was going to go up compared to DDR3. Its a side effect of increasing the frequency. Also remember this is the first consumer DDR4, the specs will get better with time. LTT conglomerate can use your support. Join us at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/UOLTT . See you in the verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Everybody already knew the CL was going to go up compared to DDR3. Its a side effect of increasing the frequency. Also remember this is the first consumer DDR4, the specs will get better with time. but but 1600mhz exists in cl8 already Location: Kaunas, Lithuania, Europe, Earth, Solar System, Local Interstellar Cloud, Local Bubble, Gould Belt, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Milky Way subgroup, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Laniakea, Pisces–Cetus Supercluster Complex, Observable universe, Universe. Spoiler 12700, B660M Mortar DDR4, 32GB 3200C16 Viper Steel, 2TB SN570, EVGA Supernova G6 850W, be quiet! 500FX, EVGA 3070Ti FTW3 Ultra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Author @wng_kingsley7 (dat naim) [spoiler= Dream machine (There is also a buildlog)] Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe - CPU: I7 5820k @4.4 ghz 1.225vcore - GPU: 2x Asus GTX 970 Strix edition - Mainboard: Asus X99-S - RAM: HyperX predator 4x4 2133 mhz - HDD: Seagate barracuda 2 TB 7200 rpm - SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD - PSU: Corsair HX1000i - Case fans: 3x Noctua PPC 140mm - Radiator fans: 3x Noctua PPC 120 mm - CPU cooler: Fractal design Kelvin S36 together with Noctua PPCs - Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Cherry gaming keyboard - mouse: Steelseries sensei raw - Headset: Kingston HyperX Cloud - Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 but but 1600mhz exists in cl8 already We even have CL7 1600mhz, my GEIL Black Dragon set does CL7 LOL. Le Bastardo+ i7 4770k + OCUK Fathom HW labs Black Ice 240 rad + Mayhem's Gigachew orange + 16GB Avexir Core Orange 2133 + Gigachew GA-Z87X-OC + 2x Gigachew WF 780Ti SLi + SoundBlaster Z + 1TB Crucial M550 + 2TB Seagate Barracude 7200rpm + LG BDR/DVDR + Superflower Leadex 1KW Platinum + NZXT Switch 810 Gun Metal + Dell U2713H + Logitech G602 + Ducky DK-9008 Shine 3 MX Brown Red Alert FX 8320 AMD = Noctua NHU12P = 8GB Avexir Blitz 2000 = ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 = Sapphire Radeon R9 290 TRI-X = 1TB Hitachi Deskstar & 500GB Hitachi Deskstar = Samsung DVDR/CDR = SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold = Xigmatek Utguard = AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 = Logitech G110 = SteelSeries Sensei RAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 but but 1600mhz exists in cl8 already but 128GB DDR4 on x99 vs 32GB DDR3 on z97 LTT conglomerate can use your support. Join us at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/UOLTT . See you in the verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 but 128GB DDR4 on x99 vs 32GB DDR3 on z97 but who needs that amount of ram. period? You can't fully use 32gb unless you're doing something insane. Using 128GB is just impossible unless RAMdisk. Location: Kaunas, Lithuania, Europe, Earth, Solar System, Local Interstellar Cloud, Local Bubble, Gould Belt, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Milky Way subgroup, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Laniakea, Pisces–Cetus Supercluster Complex, Observable universe, Universe. Spoiler 12700, B660M Mortar DDR4, 32GB 3200C16 Viper Steel, 2TB SN570, EVGA Supernova G6 850W, be quiet! 500FX, EVGA 3070Ti FTW3 Ultra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 but 128GB DDR4 on x99 vs 32GB DDR3 on z97 who needs 128gb anyways? edit: unless someone doing something insane or/and ramdisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Author but 128GB DDR4 on x99 vs 32GB DDR3 on z97 I module is 128 Gb 8 x 128 = 1024 GB ram on X99 vs Z97s 32 Gb:D LOL [spoiler= Dream machine (There is also a buildlog)] Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe - CPU: I7 5820k @4.4 ghz 1.225vcore - GPU: 2x Asus GTX 970 Strix edition - Mainboard: Asus X99-S - RAM: HyperX predator 4x4 2133 mhz - HDD: Seagate barracuda 2 TB 7200 rpm - SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD - PSU: Corsair HX1000i - Case fans: 3x Noctua PPC 140mm - Radiator fans: 3x Noctua PPC 120 mm - CPU cooler: Fractal design Kelvin S36 together with Noctua PPCs - Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Cherry gaming keyboard - mouse: Steelseries sensei raw - Headset: Kingston HyperX Cloud - Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 content creators and people that cache with their ram to run programs faster. LTT conglomerate can use your support. Join us at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/UOLTT . See you in the verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Lol even less reason to be excited. It's gonna have a huge fat early adopters premium and almost negligibly faster. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Author who needs 128gb anyways? Linus... [spoiler= Dream machine (There is also a buildlog)] Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe - CPU: I7 5820k @4.4 ghz 1.225vcore - GPU: 2x Asus GTX 970 Strix edition - Mainboard: Asus X99-S - RAM: HyperX predator 4x4 2133 mhz - HDD: Seagate barracuda 2 TB 7200 rpm - SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD - PSU: Corsair HX1000i - Case fans: 3x Noctua PPC 140mm - Radiator fans: 3x Noctua PPC 120 mm - CPU cooler: Fractal design Kelvin S36 together with Noctua PPCs - Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Cherry gaming keyboard - mouse: Steelseries sensei raw - Headset: Kingston HyperX Cloud - Build Log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Linus... unless someone doing something insane or/and ramdisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Linus... Everybody keeps telling him to open less Chrome tabs, but he just won't listen. In order to help him, we must do a fund-raiser. Every call at 0800-NOTASCAM will donate a paltry sum (only $3,50). Stop RAM abuse today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 So the bottom line is that we can stick with ddr3... Don't ask to ask, just ask... please sudo chmod -R 000 /* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Some bad news about DDR4, we hope they can lower the CAS but seems like a no. Information: source: http://www.anandtech...d-cas-latencies snip One of the big launches this year will be the Haswell-E platform. It is pretty much common knowledge in hardware discussions that this means Haswell-E, X99 and DDR4 will effectively launch to the consumer on the same day. One element of that link that we have the fewest leaks and information from is the DRAM side. I explicitly asked the DRAM manufacturers I have most contact with if they would be showing any DDR4 – either modules, specifications or in action. Many of them obliged – it helps that a fair number also make SSDs and so Kristian was able to get a few snapshots. But talking to GeIL at Computex also revealed something a little more interesting: CAS Latencies. snip Memory, as I attempt to convey in reviews, is more than just the frequency stated. There are several sets of subtimings associated with the memory, often divided up into primary subtimings, secondary and tertiary. The primary ones are the most important, and arguably one of the most important of those is called the CAS Latency, or CL for short. Memory is usually quoted as a combination of frequency and CL, and in the past it has been easy to compare kits by comparing the results of Frequency divided by CL, such that the kit with the higher result is often the better performing. Moving from DDR3 to DDR4 means a move from 280-pin to 288-pin connections. The layout of the modules is slightly different, with the pins being different lengths (notice in the image above how the pins in the middle are longer than those at the edge) in order to help installing memory. Voltage moves down from 1.5 V to 1.2 V, and processors are expected to support DDR4-2133 by default. Most manufacturers on the Computex show floor were coy with what sub-timings they will aim for their modules, whereas GeIL had a handy list: snip So when GeIL offers below 2133 MHz, I am a little taken aback, because their answer is ‘because some people will use it’. I hope that the reason they will use it is because the processor will not support above 1600 MHz. But this list gives that clear indication of CAS Latency between 1600 Mhz and 2400 MHz, with indications that 2666 MHz and 3200 MHz might be more common than we think. CAS Latency for DDR4 does seem a little down compared to DDR3, though this might be due to the initial batches of ICs coming through. I remember 2133 C11 being the first 2133 MHz DRAM off of the shelf, but now we can buy 2133 C8 very easily. snip Fixed for dark theme -.- Now I can read :L Op when you paste from an article can you please use CTRL SHIFT V Like E-Sports? Check out the E-Sports forum for competitive click click pew pew Like Anime? Check out Heaven Society the forums local Anime club I was only living because it was too much trouble to die. R9 7950x | RTX4090 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 So the bottom line is that we can stick with ddr3... Unless you're switching to x99 when it releases, you will have to stick with ddr 3. LTT conglomerate can use your support. Join us at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/UOLTT . See you in the verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 who needs 128gb anyways? rendering, content creation... you know, the stuff x99 is meant for i would love as much ram as possible, as it means more and more unique textures, more detailed meshes, better light tracing, accuracy... "Unofficially Official" Leading Scientific Research and Development Officer of the Official Star Citizen LTT Conglomerate | Reaper Squad, Idris Captain | 1x Aurora LN Game developer, AI researcher, Developing the UOLTT mobile apps G SIX [My Mac Pro G5 CaseMod Thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Unless you're switching to x99 when it releases, you will have to stick with ddr 3. Well yes, I was just saying it's not worth it upgrading because of ddr4. Don't ask to ask, just ask... please sudo chmod -R 000 /* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 Well yes, I was just saying it's not worth it upgrading because of ddr4. If your only use for a pc is gaming or web browsing, then no its not worth it. LTT conglomerate can use your support. Join us at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/UOLTT . See you in the verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 14, 2014 rendering, content creation... you know, the stuff x99 is meant for i would love as much ram as possible, as it means more and more unique textures, more detailed meshes, better light tracing, accuracy... true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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